North East Line to Standard Gauge

 
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
Assuming they will be replacing sleepers the same way as they have on the standard gauge to date, they will be using excavators fitted with a special blade head that allows the removal and insertion of new sleepers.
"M636C"

These machines were used on the Geelong line to replace sleepers of a nighttime, leaving the track usable the next day.

I think this one just digs the ballast out for insertion of new sleepers:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/track-machines/hi-rail-excavator/image/500/D449_4988.jpg[/img]

While this one looks like it can grab sleepers and shove them in:
[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/track-machines/hi-rail-excavator/image/500/D449_4973.jpg[/img]

[img]http://wongm.railgeelong.com/track-machines/hi-rail-excavator/image/500/D449_4976.jpg[/img]

These ones are stuck on the tracks - a sleeper remover:
[img]http://railgeelong.com/gallery/events/track-relay-2008/image/500/D428_2827.jpg[/img]

And one for inserting sleepers:
[img]http://railgeelong.com/gallery/events/track-relay-2008/image/500/D429_2944.jpg[/img]

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  woodford Chief Commissioner

Are the new concrete sleepers coming from the Bowmen sleeper factory
"Nightfire"

Yes, the spelling stumped me for a minute, it is Bomen.
They are coming from AusTrak in Wagga. There is really huge pile of sleepers there must be around 100,000 sleepers in it. Factory is just nth of the Bomen station in Dampier st.
"woodford"
I got the spelling from my Melway Street Directory (page x916, J10)
"Nightfire"


Signs on station and NSW maps say Bomen, you identified the correct place that is all that matters Smile
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria

What looks to be an ash pit at the Melbourne end of Wangaratta platform
"Serviceton_Kev"

I wonder if the archaeologists will find a certain railfan's mobile phone among the ballast? Wink
  woodford Chief Commissioner



I do not think they are going to use this machine. Track is being converted to SG with a concrete sleeper every aprox 8 metres. Therefore above machine cannot separate the rails. All sleepers are being placed on the side of the track mostly on North/western side of the track. Gauge conversion team are just Nth of Wang. Sleeper placement is around  6 to 7 kilometres sth of Glenrowan.
"woodford"


Assuming they will be replacing sleepers the same way as they have on the standard gauge to date, they will be using excavators fitted with a special blade head that allows the removal and insertion of new sleepers.

The insertion of sleepers every eight metres would be just to set the gauge.....................

M636C
"M636C"


This is an exact description of what is being done. The pictures from wongm are interesting but these are not the machines being used in this case. As M636C said they use a standard excavator with a special head that consist of a large hoe head with a gap in the middle for the rail and a grab on the back to pick up sleepers.
In the case of this project they are using 25 such machines. The aim is to be able to do 5 kilometers per day, appear to be having little trouble in achieving this.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The following info comes from one of the workers on the project. The bloke gave a accurate description of the work being done on the project by various teams so I believe the info is probably reliable........

He said there is a planning Doc that describes the Day to day activities by the various teams to complete the project. The target date for completion of the track work from the doc he said was end of April. After that they would be replacing sleepers between Seymour and Wang on the East line (original SG).

From progress currently being made this date appears to highly probable.
  Serviceton_Kev Chief Commissioner

Location: Fecking here!

What looks to be an ash pit at the Melbourne end of Wangaratta platform
"Serviceton_Kev"

I wonder if the archaeologists will find a certain railfan's mobile phone among the ballast? Wink
"wongm"


If they haven't found it, it's probably somewhere in the pile of old ballast/whatever at the down end of the yard on the down side of the down footbridge on the old watertank side!!! (The Wangrail watertank, not the watertank on the SG(1962) side!!)Razz
  toxation Chief Commissioner

Location: Cobram, Victoria
Hey, I forgot to mention what I saw on Tuesday in Albury (forgive it being in this thread, but I believe it has to do with the NE upgrade).

I saw C508 and a BL or 81 (don't know what it was except that it looked like a G and wasn't a G) in Albury yard with a sleeper train, resting (presumably) to allow the XPT (and any other through freight) through.

Now, it was sitting underneath one of the old electric transfer cranes that I assume was used prior to through trains on the standard gauge. This crane wouldn't possibly have been recommissioned to help with the loading or unloading of sleepers in the yard, would it?
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Hey, I forgot to mention what I saw on Tuesday in Albury (forgive it being in this thread, but I believe it has to do with the NE upgrade).

I saw C508 and a BL or 81 (don't know what it was except that it looked like a G and wasn't a G) in Albury yard with a sleeper train, resting (presumably) to allow the XPT (and any other through freight) through.

Now, it was sitting underneath one of the old electric transfer cranes that I assume was used prior to through trains on the standard gauge. This crane wouldn't possibly have been recommissioned to help with the loading or unloading of sleepers in the yard, would it?
"toxation"


Just out of interest NSW to NE Vic sleeper train schedules are on ARTC

"NE SLEEPER DELIVERY"

http://extranet.artc.com.au/docman/DocManFiles/DocTypes/TAA/Files/0061-2009.PDF
  62440 Chief Commissioner

The concrete sleepers can take 50, 53, 60 rail using a change of insulator pads with a set with appropriate offsets. 50 rails have a 127mm foot and replace the old 47, 60 and 53 have a 146 foot. Note the spacers have to be specially fitted to maintain gauge. When the railway was built between Adelaide and Darwin, they saved money by using a design that would only take 50 rail, if they want to upgrade to 60 for the ore traffic, they would have to resleeper. Not a problem on the NE. They can upgrade the rail on the existing sleepers at any time. Joining 50 to 60 is a common occurrence in Thermit and flash-butt.
On sharp curves the rail would be 60 Head Hardened though what ARTC considers sharp, I am unsure, possibly 400m.
In years gone by, NSWGR ran the rails to fail and had no cascade, rather than replacing rail with remaining life for upgrading class 3 lines.
WW
Does anyone know If ARTC considered rerailing this line with 60 Kg/Metre ? (If this question has not already been asked)
"Nightfire"


One might suppose that the following would be made 60kg/m.

* 1 New running lines, such as Wodonga Bypass and Passing Lanes. No point in laying the rail twice.

* 2 New turnouts. Only a tiny amount of rail is involved. The difference is cost would be tiny.

* 3 On sharp curves where heavier rail would allow higher speeds. The NE line is quite straight, and probably doesn't have a lot of sharp curves where this would apply.

* 4 Where existing rail is light by comparison or in particularly poor condition.

* 5. Where the existing lighter rail is in good condition, but could be usefully cascaded elsewhere. Light rail such as 40kg or 47kg is no longer made, only 60kg and 50kg.

* 6. Insulated blockjoints would be best made 60kg, so that they are not wasted when say 47kg rail is upgraded to 60kg later on. Like point 2.
"awsgc24"
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Hey, I forgot to mention what I saw on Tuesday in Albury (forgive it being in this thread, but I believe it has to do with the NE upgrade).

I saw C508 and a BL or 81 (don't know what it was except that it looked like a G and wasn't a G) in Albury yard with a sleeper train, resting (presumably) to allow the XPT (and any other through freight) through.

Now, it was sitting underneath one of the old electric transfer cranes that I assume was used prior to through trains on the standard gauge. This crane wouldn't possibly have been recommissioned to help with the loading or unloading of sleepers in the yard, would it?
"toxation"


The locomotive number is 80s1 (note lower case s) It is freshly painted green body with yellow ends and has no other markings. Have not identified it yet. I am going to have a look through my loco book sometime.
The sleepers are being loaded at Austrak sidings at Bomen (nth of Wagga) with a gantry crane. Two sets of cars are used, each 18 cars long,total capacity of each train is 3456 sleepers,while one set is being loaded the other set is being unloaded.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

The points for the east line for the crossing nth of Seymour have been completed and I believe are being cut into the line this weekend. The points for the west line(old BG)  have been assembled but not yet bolted together. The crossing is just nth of the old hume hwy overpass.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Hey, I forgot to mention what I saw on Tuesday in Albury (forgive it being in this thread, but I believe it has to do with the NE upgrade).

I saw C508 and a BL or 81 (don't know what it was except that it looked like a G and wasn't a G) in Albury yard with a sleeper train, resting (presumably) to allow the XPT (and any other through freight) through.

Now, it was sitting underneath one of the old electric transfer cranes that I assume was used prior to through trains on the standard gauge. This crane wouldn't possibly have been recommissioned to help with the loading or unloading of sleepers in the yard, would it?
"toxation"


The locomotive number is 80s1 (note lower case s) It is freshly painted green body with yellow ends and has no other markings. Have not identified it yet. I am going to have a look through my loco book sometime.
"woodford"


Had a look...... 80s1 looks to be an NSW 80 class. Photos of an 80 class almost identical. No other Aus loco is so much like it.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Had a look...... 80s1 looks to be an NSW 80 class. Photos of an 80 class almost identical. No other Aus loco is so much like it.
"woodford"

Correct. From locopage:
8026   C-6106-26   4/1980   Sold to Silverton as 80s1, In service  11-2003

Of course it's no longer Silverton.
  rjaygee Banned

Location: Banned
Its now a Coote of an 80 class

Cheers

Rod Gayford
  Burkey Station Master

Woodford, do you have a camera??
I'd love to see pic's of these 21 excavators at work.
You're updates are great anyway, keep them coming!!
  Serviceton_Kev Chief Commissioner

Location: Fecking here!
Had a look...... 80s1 looks to be an NSW 80 class. Photos of an 80 class almost identical. No other Aus loco is so much like it.
"woodford"

Correct. From locopage:
8026   C-6106-26   4/1980   Sold to Silverton as 80s1, In service  11-2003

Of course it's no longer Silverton.
"duttonbay"


Saw 80s1 (Albury end), empty sleeper train and C 508 (Benalla end, nose facing towards Benalla)  heading north over Sisley Avenue level crossing Wangaratta at 9:45 am. (24/1) 80s1 looks like a wheely bin!!!
  packa Junior Train Controller

Couple of snaps in Barnawartha at the end of a hot day.



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  NR77 Chief Commissioner

That's a really unusual picture of all the diggers lined up!!!
  luznug Banned

Location: Banned
"its diggers rest" Laughing
  woodford Chief Commissioner



Saw 80s1 (Albury end), empty sleeper train and C 508 (Benalla end, nose facing towards Benalla)  heading north over Sisley Avenue level crossing Wangaratta at 9:45 am. (24/1) 80s1 looks like a wheely bin!!!
"Serviceton_Kev"


When unloading 80s1 is normally at the Albury end of the train and C508 is at the southern end.When transiting to Bomen both locos are together at the head of the train. The train is normally split and separated by about a kilometer when unloading and two excavators with sleeper handling equipment are used.This is being done because of the very short time slot ARTC has allocated (two hours) for the sleeper train.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Woodford, do you have a camera??
I'd love to see pic's of these 21 excavators at work.
You're updates are great anyway, keep them coming!!
"Burkey"


Taking a shot of the all the excavtors in action proved to be quite difficult as they are spread over about  2.5 kilometers, an awesome site though.
Very unlikley to see something like this again.

I do have a camera there is a problem though in posting images,Sad may be some can come up with an answer.Wink

1: My internet access is by a dial up line, normal connection speed is usually around 28.8Kbits/sec. This makes any interactive work with graphics very difficult and time consuming.

2: Method to upload images to the forum messages apparently requires the local file system to appear as a web page, this requires a local web server such as apache to be running. This I have not installed and do not wish to install. Note: I am running a highly modified version of Debian Sid, a version of Linux.

I have thought of using a local internet cafe that allows connection of an external drive, such cafe's are not regarded as secure for sites such as Railpage that need a login.
  packa Junior Train Controller

A short video of removing a timber sleeper and replacing it with the concrete at Barnawartha.


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  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Packa thanks mate Very Happy poor buggers clipping up fast clips the hard way,its much easier using applicator tools.
  Inland_Sailor Junior Train Controller

This may have already been asked/answered elsewhere, but what % of the Victorian system will be either SG or DG after the NE line and Oaklands line have been converted?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

More Observations, as at end of work 26 january
SIA appears to be working to a schedule,so items have to be done by a particular date. Most teams are starting very early (between 0400 to 0600) to avoid the heat.
Sleepers are know placed to just about 1 kilometer nth of Benalla.
Gauge conversision done to aprox 4 kilometers nth of Glenrowan.
Sleeper replacemnet about 1.5 klms Wodonga side of Chiltern.
Bridge over guys rd (4 k's sth of Chiltern) to get a new deck work probably beginning tomorrow. (27th) This appears to be the last bridge work between Wodonga and Wang.
Level crossings, all crossings being closed between 0600 to 1800.
Old Barnawatha rd done
Both level crossings in Barnawatha done
main st Chiltern 29th january
racecourse rd Chiltern 4th Feb
Sprinhurst Northern exit 6th Feb
mcmahons rd (5ks sth of Springhurst) 8th Feb
Boralma Rutherglen rd 10th Feb
Wangarata Corowa rd 12th Feb
Lifting and lining (tamping) was still in progress, lead tamper was at kilometer post 288 having done about 9ks, second tamper was about 2 ks behind. Track looks very good. If some with a camera could take a shot of the track at Old Barnawatha rd looking to Wang.....looks very nice.
Chiltern and Springhurst platform roads completed. Both have had new track drainage systems installed.
No action at Wang, platform road has been excavated and I think the drainage work has been done.
Benalla, almost all 600 metres of the platform rd has been converted and all sleepers replaced. Platform road points at Wang  end have been removed as yet nothing has been put back. Points to old loco depot had just been removed sleepers had been put down but no rail had been placed. As yet no idea as to what the yard layout will be.Still a large amount of work to be done here.
Broken river bridge being gauge converted.

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