Shepparton to SG after Albury, then Seymour locals

 
  Burkey Station Master

By conversion of the Shepparton Line are they meaning to just to Shepparton or all the way to Tocumwal. Surely they wouldnt leave Shepp to Tocumwal gauge stranded!!!!

Sponsored advertisement

  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I can understand the sentimental attachment to BG amongst Victorians, but rail has to beseen as a National picture.
The country needs to be able to run any train, along any track.
Standardisation must come eventually.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

The whole of Victoria should be converted eventually I would think.
"Mel"


In that case you need to do the entire network in one foul swoop.  You cannot "stretch it out" as the network becomes increasingly unviable for traffic during this period.  This is the problem with Kosky, she wants to do it in bits when she can safely hand the maintenance off to someone else.

Just keep moving the crew on Albury across to the next line, then the next.  Then you will need to do metro straight after that!

Regards
Brian
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
i dont think there is a speed restriction for sg trains on duel gauge if anything it would be a restriction on bg because of the risk of somthing getting jammed in betwen the bg and sg rail but i may be wrong.
"tery84_trainee"


That's right, I had that a$$-backwards. BG has the restriction in a DG setup...

And by doing that, it would basically halve the speed of the RFR upgrades!

Has to be an 'all or nothing' approach.

Why convertible sleepers weren't used is amazing, considering we'll have to go SG eventually. (But the RFR sleepers 'debate' have been done to death... Wink )

Wolfpac
  packa Junior Train Controller

Earlier in the year I had a look on the Stony Point line and they were replacing a lot of the level crossing tracks with new concrete jobs.  I was astounded that they weren't using convertible sleepers for that either.

I would have thought that line would be a possible contender for Standardization with the Port and what not down that line.
  tery84_trainee Assistant Commissioner

it is plain criminal that they didn't use gauge convertible sleepers
  Deanodriver Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Perhaps the RRL lines should be designed with eventual standardisation in mind? If they're being separated from suburban services, it may be easier to standardise regional trains.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Wow, your joking. SG to Shepparton. The demise of the 5 foot 3 seems to be happening, even though it may not. Why can't we keep our own track that's in our state, like the old Albury line. Why don't they make it fully dual gauge,.
"2008godforbid"


Speed limit for BG trains is 60k on dual gauge tracks, I am led to believe, (although I am happy to be corrected on this).

(Thanks to some laddies carefully placing things between the two rails and causing derailments)

I doubt we shall see any more dual gauge in Victoria. Western Australia, maybe, but not here.
  fast01 BUTTSCRATCHER!

Location: Somewhere your not.
Wow, your joking. SG to Shepparton. The demise of the 5 foot 3 seems to be happening, even though it may not. Why can't we keep our own track that's in our state, like the old Albury line. Why don't they make it fully dual gauge,.
"2008godforbid"


Speed limit for BG trains is 60k on dual gauge tracks, I am led to believe, (although I am happy to be corrected on this).

(Thanks to some laddies carefully placing things between the two rails and causing derailments)

I doubt we shall see any more dual gauge in Victoria. Western Australia, maybe, but not here.
"574M"
80kmh for BG, full line speed for Standard.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Perhaps the RRL lines should be designed with eventual standardisation in mind? If they're being separated from suburban services, it may be easier to standardise regional trains.
"Deanodriver"


This Is a drawing a came up with for the Central Victoria Rail Network

[bigimg]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2682/4038483868_ac90f85f37_b.jpg[/bigimg]

The reginal dual gauge would normally be used as standard gauge with minimal dual gauge yards and points.

The dual gauge would be In place between Newport and Waurn Ponds for broad gauge freight access and between North Geelong and Echuca (Via Maryborough) for heritage broad gauge only trains (very limited broad gauge track)

A lot of broad gauge only concrete sleepers will need new homes.

The RRL will need to be expanded to cover Melton and Sunbury

I have added the Outer Ring Road rail alinement and a North Geelong Bypass.

Seymour and Shepparton are not covered In this drawing but the broad gauge would end at the SRHC depot.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Item in the Shep News yesterday about the proposed Goulburn Valley Freight and Logistics Centre at Toolamba East.

This project has now been renamed GVLink (possibly due the demise of the Inland Freight Line via Shepparton, and other places inland - they had a lot of people trying to drive that project via Shep).

Location is where the proposed bypass meets the existing line at Toolamba Road. There is a diagram available somewhere of this proposed site ... It will have either one or two sidings off the main line at Toolamba East.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


This project has now been renamed GVLink (possibly due the demise of the Inland Freight Line via Shepparton, and other places inland - they had a lot of people trying to drive that project via Shep).

"574M"

The demise of the Inland Freight Line via Shepparton and Narrandera I a no brainier decision for the Government agencies given the cost of rebuilding the Seymour - Narrandera track to mainline standards (new bridges, rails, sleepers, ballast, signaling, the works)
Than If that's all to much then there Is the cost of building a brand new section of railway from Grong Grong (there abouts) to somewhere near Caragabal to give the route any time saving advantage over the existing Albury route (that ARTC has pumped a lot of cash Into lately)

If Shepparton business groups were hell bent on getting their reginal centre on the Melbourne to Sydney/Brisbane rail corridor, a much cheaper option would be to build an 20 odd km extension of the Dookie line to It meets the Oaklands line, than South to Benalla and with a new triangle leg turn towards Albury.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Earlier in the year I had a look on the Stony Point line and they were replacing a lot of the level crossing tracks with new concrete jobs.  I was astounded that they weren't using convertible sleepers for that either.

I would have thought that line would be a possible contender for Standardization with the Port and what not down that line.
"packa"


I cannot myself see a time where the SP line would be SG only.  The only time this could happen is if the entire network (metro and all) went over to SG.  This was discussed in the 1990's with (IIRC) the cost to SG the entire state was around $800m. If you think about the advantages of doing that back then, we would be well advanced now with a national network with Adelaide Metro arriving on SG soon.

--Bill
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Earlier in the year I had a look on the Stony Point line and they were replacing a lot of the level crossing tracks with new concrete jobs.  I was astounded that they weren't using convertible sleepers for that either.

I would have thought that line would be a possible contender for Standardization with the Port and what not down that line.
"packa"


I cannot myself see a time where the SP line would be SG only.  The only time this could happen is if the entire network (metro and all) went over to SG.  This was discussed in the 1990's with (IIRC) the cost to SG the entire state was around $800m. If you think about the advantages of doing that back then, we would be well advanced now with a national network with Adelaide Metro arriving on SG soon.

--Bill
"freightgate"


Sadly back In the 90's there was not really any spare Government cash to go around and certainly not for railways (Melb - Adelaide conversion was done on a real cheap and still hasn't been fully finished)
  woodford Chief Commissioner

As far as I can see there is no point on talking about what could have been. With the NE line converted to SG for around 500 Million the cost for the whole state would be more than any Vic Government is likely to spend for years. The liberal party apparently believing in unlimited fuel supplies and road transport, and labor doing the minimum required to keep the network from completely sinking.
I personly believe they along with everyone else is in for a very severe shock in the not to distant future.
The last really major upgrade to the network being in the mid to late 50's.

Comparing the VIC network with SA I believe is not reasonable as there appears to be not that much lenght of 5ft 3 in SA in use.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton

I personally believe they along with everyone else is in for a very severe shock in the not to distant future.
"woodford"


Lindsay Fox would agree with you.  Very short sighted planning, too many lines closed and assumptions which ignored peak oil and climate change.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
...a much cheaper option would be to build an 20 odd km extension of the Dookie line to It meets the Oaklands line, than South to Benalla and with a new triangle leg turn towards Albury.
"Nightfire"
Several proposals for this were surveyed back in the 19th century from Dookie to:
  • Devenish,
  • Euroa,
  • Goorambat,
  • Springs,
  • St. James (partial),
  • and Baddaginnie via Nalinga


None of these came to fruition.
  richiebogie Chief Train Controller

I agree with the earlier writer.

Wolseley to Heywood should be done next.

Vic and South Australia should request the federal government to chip in given standardisation is a federal issue.

Perhaps road freight in the Mount Gambier area should pay too.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

A Study has been done recently jointly by Vic & SA into re-opening and standardizing Heywood - Mt.Gambier with a view towards timber/chip traffic outwards on sg via Portland port . Same study also looked at improving road alternatives to Portland. Currently in 09/10 bid Vic & SA seek Feds IA Funding to improve transport links in the area of South East SA to Portland. The publically available submission is weak on detail and the wishy/washy wording indicates a strong bias towards road .

With the GFC and and the IA Funds all allocated so far, and Feds facing a budget deficit one could not jump over, one would be surprised if there were any fresh funds available in the IA Fund for years .
  ozfreight Chief Train Controller

Location: hawthorn 3122
A Study has been done recently jointly by Vic & SA into re-opening and standardizing Heywood - Mt.Gambier with a view towards timber/chip traffic outwards on sg via Portland port . Same study also looked at improving road alternatives to Portland. Currently in 09/10 bid Vic & SA seek Feds IA Funding to improve transport links in the area of South East SA to Portland. The publically available submission is weak on detail and the wishy/washy wording indicates a strong bias towards road .

With the GFC and and the IA Funds all allocated so far, and Feds facing a budget deficit one could not jump over, one would be surprised if there were any fresh funds available in the IA Fund for years .
"kuldalai"


There is also a proposal to transfer control of the S.A portion of the Heywood to Mt Gambier (and beyond to Penola) rail line from S.A government to the Victorian government (or ARTC) and transfer of control
of the Pinaroo to ouyen line from Vic gov to S.A gov. This proposal is contained in the (lengthy) Port of Portland future land use study. Again , I would not hold my breath . Two state governments, albeit from the same side of politics doing something logical and sensible is so far unheard of.
The pinaroo line would need to be re-gauged from Pinaroo all the way to Ouyen.
  MD Chief Commissioner

Location: Canbera
And what possible use would the SA Govt have for the Ouyen to Pinnaroo rail line.
Why not give them the Melb to Albury rail line instead.
  ozfreight Chief Train Controller

Location: hawthorn 3122
Grain , container loads of fruit , wine, that travel all the way to melbourne instead of the much shorter rail link to Adelaide.
The Melbourne-Albury rail link is basically Sydney freight  (and beyond )and has nothing to do with Adelaide.It is ARTC  anyway
  MD Chief Commissioner

Location: Canbera
Nope.
Goes by road.
Insufficent tonnages to make rail viable.
When Melb to Adelaide was BG and it was possible to send thru trains from Mildura to Adelaide via Pinnaroo, there were a total of NO trains running from Mildura to Adelaide via Pinnaroo.
  M636C Minister for Railways

There is also a proposal to transfer control of the S.A portion of the Heywood to Mt Gambier (and beyond to Penola) rail line from S.A government to the Victorian government (or ARTC) and transfer of control of the Pinaroo to Ouyen line from Vic gov to S.A gov. This proposal is contained in the (lengthy) Port of Portland future land use study. Again , I would not hold my breath . Two state governments, albeit from the same side of politics doing something logical and sensible is so far unheard of. The Pinaroo line would need to be re-gauged from Pinaroo all the way to Ouyen.
"ozfreight"


With the introduction of the Pinaroo Grainflow site in 2004, the standard gauge is virtually at the state border now. There is some dual guage at the loader. So only the Victorian track will need conversion.

M636C
  ozfreight Chief Train Controller

Location: hawthorn 3122
Nope.
Goes by road.
Insufficent tonnages to make rail viable.
When Melb to Adelaide was BG and it was possible to send thru trains from Mildura to Adelaide via Pinnaroo, there were a total of NO trains running from Mildura to Adelaide via Pinnaroo.
"MD"


I was not referring to potential domestic trade (ALL gone to road ) but the export traffic , the only container traffic on that line, between Merbein and APD. Even Melbourne doesn't get supplies from Midura area by rail.

Sponsored advertisement

Display from:   

Quick Reply

We've disabled Quick Reply for this thread as it was last updated more than six months ago.