Govt to review Mildura passenger service!

 
  hotdogpants1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Here.
That's for the moderators to decide.

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  per1 Banned

Location: Banned
So easy to read into this propaganda. A slow tourist/leisure passenger train will be announced before the election.3 up and 3 down a week. Day trips only.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
A slow tourist/leisure passenger train will be announced before the election.3 up and 3 down a week. Day trips only.
"per1"


Idea  Thanks for your insight Per1.

When do you expect the service to commence Question
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
“We understand how important transport links are to the liveability of our regions which is why we are making these major investments which will mean people living and working in Maryborough and Clunes can commute to Ballarat and Melbourne for work, study or leisure.

“It will ensure that Clunes people can access job, education and leisure opportunities in Ballarat and Melbourne and will create a faster route between Clunes, Melbourne and Ballarat.”

"Brumby"

Surely he isn't serious?

I would what you could've built in Clunes for $7 million?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
“We understand how important transport links are to the liveability of our regions which is why we are making these major investments which will mean people living and working in Maryborough and Clunes can commute to Ballarat and Melbourne for work, study or leisure.

“It will ensure that Clunes people can access job, education and leisure opportunities in Ballarat and Melbourne and will create a faster route between Clunes, Melbourne and Ballarat.”

"Brumby"

Surely he isn't serious?
"ZH836301"



Thanks for the lead in ZH...

I know for a fact that over 15% of the population of Clunes wrote to the Premier advocating for the re-instated Maryborough service to stop at their town.

Argue that as you will, however I humbly suggest the Premier's announcement echoes sentiments in my recent rantings about economic development and connectivity with Ballarat and Melbourne, etc.

I further suggest that it's apparent the strong opposition you've shown to the sentiment of my posts isn't in line with the progressive thinking of regional development for Victoria in today's world.

Mike.
  MOM Chief Commissioner

Location: here, there, everywhere....
That's for the moderators to decide.
"hotdogpants1"


Doesn't matter what you write, there's always someone with a big stick out there after The Vinelander.... Very Happy
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
That's for the moderators to decide.
"hotdogpants1"


Doesn't matter what you write, there's always someone with a big stick out there after The Vinelander.... Very Happy
"MOM"


And wouldn't I be missed if I fell under the proverbial bus....  Bounce

Who then would the likes of ZH and his ilk rant on about Question
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
That's for the moderators to decide.
"hotdogpants1"


Doesn't matter what you write, there's always someone with a big stick out there after The Vinelander.... Very Happy
"MOM"


And wouldn't I be missed if I fell under the proverbial bus...
"The Vinelander"


You mean the one that provides the perfectly good service to Mildura?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
That's for the moderators to decide.
"hotdogpants1"


Doesn't matter what you write, there's always someone with a big stick out there after The Vinelander.... Very Happy
"MOM"


And wouldn't I be missed if I fell under the proverbial bus...
"The Vinelander"


You mean the one that provides the perfectly good service to Mildura?
"Sir Thomas Bent"


I was wondering who'd pick up the cudgel... Wink  
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
That's for the moderators to decide.
"hotdogpants1"


Doesn't matter what you write, there's always someone with a big stick out there after The Vinelander.... Very Happy
"MOM"


And wouldn't I be missed if I fell under the proverbial bus...
"The Vinelander"


You mean the one that provides the perfectly good service to Mildura?
"Sir Thomas Bent"


I was wondering who'd pick up the cudgel.
"The Vinelander"


Just as easy as anything else you've said to come back on.   Wink
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Argue that as you will, however I humbly suggest the Premier's announcement echoes sentiments in my recent rantings about economic development and connectivity with Ballarat and Melbourne, etc.
"The Mikelander"

So just how is one train per day going to promote "economic development".
  ImpulseRail Locomotive Fireman

As I mentioned earlier, Nick McCallum on 3AW was to interview Martin Pakula this week.

The main topic was Myki, but on the question put to him re
The Vinelander returning to Mildura...

Martin Pakula
The service was stopped in 1990 by the Kennett Government

Nick McCallum
But it was promised to be brought back by the Bracks Govt., people are saying the line was upgraded for Freight trains but still unable to take passenger trains.

Martin Pakula
We have spent $50 million on the line and a report has not been received yet, this is due in the next two months.


End of topic and Interview
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line


Martin Pakula
We have spent $50 million on the line and a report has not been received yet, this is due in the next two months.


End of topic and Interview
"ImpulseRail"


Bearing in mind of course that pre-anullment of The Vinelander by you know who,.. many Melbournians used to travel by train to Mildura, particularly at Easter, long weekends and Christmas, school holidays etc.

It's NOT a big call to say there is electoral mileage for the Brumby Government in announcing whatever the 'good news' announcement will be, closer to the poll because of the flow-on effect of some votes at the Melbourne end of the line.

This, despite whatever statements to the contrary are about to be written  below by my detractors.

Let the detractors commence......

Mike.
  PClark Chief Commissioner

Quote:-

"Bearing in mind of course that pre-anullment of The Vinelander by you know who,.. many Melbournians used to travel by train to Mildura, particularly at Easter, long weekends and Christmas, school holidays etc."

Oh yeah?

Well, as I've posted before on this thread, "you know who"  (i.e. Jeff Kennett) and his family were among the Melburnians who used to use the Vinelander to travel to and from Mildura.

But the main reason for using the Vinelander was it's overnight schedule and the availability of sleepers and Motorail which made it viable for a short break like a weekend (long or otherwise) or Easter.

While nothing has been announced, I get the distinct impression that any restored service will be a day train, meaning that two days are needed for a return journey - hardly likely to encourage weekend mini-vacations.

And, of course, any new train HAS to be a day one in order to provide convenient travel for the hordes of "intermediates" queuing up to join at Ouyen, Woomelang, Birchip and Donald.
  Brian 2009 Chief Commissioner

Location: N.S.W.
Hi Mike,

Sorry but I am one of the supporters of this service as I believe the Victorian Government has a real interest in making the current rural passenger services better and expanding them as time goes on.

From an Outsiders view looking in to what Victoria has done, they are now on a par with WA and QLD with their continual improvements to Rail Passenger services for country victoria.

it will be interesting to see what services will come along next as patronage seems to have outstripped expectations.

Regards,
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
This, despite whatever statements to the contrary are about to be written  below by my detractors.

Let the detractors commence......

Mike.[/color]
"The Vinelander"


Nothing really to add at this stage by me as nothing new has really presented itself over the past few pages!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Quote: Bearing in mind of course that pre-anullment of The Vinelander by you know who,.. many Melbournians used to travel by train to Mildura, particularly at Easter, long weekends and Christmas, school holidays etc."

Oh yeah?

Well, as I've posted before on this thread, "you know who"  (i.e. Jeff Kennett) and his family were among the Melburnians who used to use the Vinelander to travel to and from Mildura.

But the main reason for using the Vinelander was it's overnight schedule and the availability of sleepers and Motorail which made it viable for a short break like a weekend (long or otherwise) or Easter.

While nothing has been announced, I get the distinct impression that any restored service will be a day train, meaning that two days are needed for a return journey - hardly likely to encourage weekend mini-vacations.

And, of course, any new train HAS to be a day one in order to provide convenient travel for the hordes of "intermediates" queuing up to join at Ouyen, Woomelang, Birchip and Donald.
"PClark"


IMO correct Peter, and the sentiment of your comments will no doubt be in the mix; and furthermore thanks for not ranting about the lack of pax on the Vinelander at holiday times.

We all well remember except for perhaps the last two years possibly due to politics, the Vinelander was always in 2 divisions at Easter and other long weekends with up to 5 or 6 sleeping cars on the first division alone. I've even seen non-aircon, ex V&SAR sleeping cars on the second division.

IMO any re-introduced train will be a day train as the concept of travelling a relatively short distance overnight has seen a generational change since the cancellation of the overnight service.

One last thing, as the population of Clunes is 1100 and several of the Mallee towns, further up the line are of similar populations, this leads me to believe the Mallee towns are as entitled to see a re-introduced train, should that be the Government's decision, stop there as much at the Maryborough service will be stopping at Clunes.

Mike.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Quote: Bearing in mind of course that pre-anullment of The Vinelander by you know who,.. many Melbournians used to travel by train to Mildura, particularly at Easter, long weekends and Christmas, school holidays etc."

Oh yeah?

Well, as I've posted before on this thread, "you know who"  (i.e. Jeff Kennett) and his family were among the Melburnians who used to use the Vinelander to travel to and from Mildura.

But the main reason for using the Vinelander was it's overnight schedule and the availability of sleepers and Motorail which made it viable for a short break like a weekend (long or otherwise) or Easter.

While nothing has been announced, I get the distinct impression that any restored service will be a day train, meaning that two days are needed for a return journey - hardly likely to encourage weekend mini-vacations.

And, of course, any new train HAS to be a day one in order to provide convenient travel for the hordes of "intermediates" queuing up to join at Ouyen, Woomelang, Birchip and Donald.
"PClark"


IMO correct Peter, and the sentiment of your comments will no doubt be in the mix; and furthermore thanks for not ranting about the lack of pax on the Vinelander at holiday times.

We all well remember except for perhaps the last two years possibly due to politics, the Vinelander was always in 2 divisions at Easter and other long weekends with up to 5 or 6 sleeping cars on the first division alone. I've even seen non-aircon, ex V&SAR sleeping cars on the second division.

IMO any re-introduced train will be a day train as the concept of travelling a relatively short distance overnight has seen a generational change since the cancellation of the overnight service.

One last thing, as the population of Clunes is 1100 and several of the Mallee towns, further up the line are of similar populations, this leads me to believe the Mallee towns are as entitled to see a re-introduced train, should that be the Government's decision, stop there as much at the Maryborough service will be stopping at Clunes.

Mike.
"The Vinelander"


Clunes Is with In comuting distance from Ballarat.

Mallee town are not !
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned


One last thing, as the population of Clunes is 1100 and several of the Mallee towns, further up the line are of similar populations, this leads me to believe the Mallee towns are as entitled to see a re-introduced train, should that be the Government's decision, stop there as much at the Maryborough service will be stopping at Clunes.

Mike.
"The Vinelander"
Soooo... Mikelander...

Y'all reckon that all towns of populations of around 1100 deserve passenger services 'cos Clunes has a pork-barrel worthy of that bloke to the left of this post?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
...One last thing, as the population of Clunes is 1100 and several of the Mallee towns, further up the line are of similar populations, this leads me to believe the Mallee towns are as entitled to see a re-introduced train, should that be the Government's decision, stop there as much at the Maryborough service will be stopping at Clunes.

Mike.
"The Vinelander"
Soooo... Mikelander...

Y'all reckon that all towns of populations of around 1100 deserve passenger services 'cos Clunes has a pork-barrel worthy of that bloke to the left of this post?
"Sir Thomas Bent"


...and I'm sure the good folk of the Mallee towns would see the funny side of you parodying them as well Exclamation
  per1 Banned

Location: Banned
The current review is to recommend how a service should be returned. Not, if a service should be returned. So lets concentrate on this point.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Also Clunes is in a marginal seat held by the Labor Party, and the Mallee towns are in just about the safest National Party seats in the country!
  ZH836301 Chief Commissioner

Location: BleakCity
Bearing in mind of course that pre-anullment of The Vinelander by you know who,.. many Melbournians used to travel by train to Mildura, particularly at Easter, long weekends and Christmas, school holidays etc.
"The Mikelander"

And how many paid a full fare?

There's limited Melbourne traffic to Mildura - the return of the train what have next to no metro vote buying power (especially compared with the other options for pork barrelling away hundreds of millions).

From an Outsiders view looking in to what Victoria has done, they are now on a par with WA and QLD with their continual improvements to Rail Passenger services for country victoria.
"Brian 2009"

Victoria wipes the floor with these other states - or are you trying to say our rail system's worse because we don't have a train to whoop-whoop?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Bearing in mind of course that pre-anullment of The Vinelander by you know who,.. many Melbournians used to travel by train to Mildura, particularly at Easter, long weekends and Christmas, school holidays etc.
"The Mikelander"

And how many paid a full fare?
"ZH836301"


Your point being Question
  SteamtoStay Chief Commissioner

Location: Building floorplates
I know I'm gonna regret entering this thread, but I wonder-

If we assume that a rail service were returned to Mildura, how much would a one-way ticket to Ballarat or Melbourne have to cost, in order to make the line economically feasable with no subsidies?

So things like staffing, fuel, train and track maintenance, the extra trains needed to run the service, etc.

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