Locations on the Darwin Line

 
  mdhughes Junior Train Controller

Location: Over the Edge Hill - Lime Street tunnels, Liverpool (work); lineside on the Standedge route (home)
[quote="Nightfire"][quote="mdhughes"]

Yes that's the place.

The GHAN I was on was traveling along the siding at ~ 20 km/h[/quote]

You mean the Ghan was on the siding and the ore train on the main line when they passed?

Cheers

Martyn

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


Yes that's the place.

The GHAN I was on was traveling along the siding at ~ 20 km/h
"Nightfire"


You mean the Ghan was on the siding and the ore train on the main line when they passed?

Cheers

Martyn
"mdhughes"


The GHAN was running through the siding, I don't think there was anything on the mainline.

Did not see an ore train at all.
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
The pictures there show the Ghan to be on the main line. The tracks that you can see at the bottom of the shots is the loop / loading line.
  mdhughes Junior Train Controller

Location: Over the Edge Hill - Lime Street tunnels, Liverpool (work); lineside on the Standedge route (home)
The pictures there show the Ghan to be on the main line. The tracks that you can see at the bottom of the shots is the loop / loading line.
"Shacks"


The Ghan from which I took the pics in May last year defo ran straight through on the main line, hence the siding visible at the bottom. But  Nightfire says that the Ghan he was on this May ran through on the siding, apparently to pass a (ghost) ore train on the main line, as announced! Seems very strange! Is it possible, Nightfire, that you had such a good hand at cards that you missed to see the ore train? Could it have been some very short train that you might have missed? The one iron ore train that I saw at Berrimah couldn't be missed!
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The pictures there show the Ghan to be on the main line. The tracks that you can see at the bottom of the shots is the loop / loading line.
"Shacks"


The Ghan from which I took the pics in May last year defo ran straight through on the main line, hence the siding visible at the bottom. But  Nightfire says that the Ghan he was on this May ran through on the siding, apparently to pass a (ghost) ore train on the main line, as announced! Seems very strange! Is it possible, Nightfire, that you had such a good hand at cards that you missed to see the ore train? Could it have been some very short train that you might have missed? The one iron ore train that I saw at Berrimah couldn't be missed!
"mdhughes"


The GHAN I traveling on was on the 15th of this Month (ex Adelaide the 13th)

Yes I could of been possible that I fully missed seeing another train stationary on the mainline.
  Wiseone Locomotive Fireman

Location: Darwin. NT
It is not unusual for the Ghan to run through the loop at Union Reef, especially on the Tuesday Arrival into Darwin. If DA2 is running late then it will sit on the main line at Union Reef, UD3 will depart for Darwin and AD8 will run via the loop crossing DA2.
  mdhughes Junior Train Controller

Location: Over the Edge Hill - Lime Street tunnels, Liverpool (work); lineside on the Standedge route (home)
It is not unusual for the Ghan to run through the loop at Union Reef, especially on the Tuesday Arrival into Darwin. If DA2 is running late then it will sit on the main line at Union Reef, UD3 will depart for Darwin and AD8 will run via the loop crossing DA2.
"Wiseone"


Got it (I think!). Going from the fact that the announcement on Nightfire's Ghan was to the effect that it was following an iron ore train and would pass it at Union Reef I had assumed that the Ghan was southbound, as mine was, not northbound as was the case. Since the procedure Wiseone describes involves the northbound Ghan crossing a normal southbound freight and not an ore train, I am wondering if in fact it was a northbound Muckaty manganese ore train that the Ghan was following and passed at Union Reef. Does that happen? That should not have been announced as being an iron ore train but then, if the announcer was the same as on the Ghan I was on, it would not be surprising if the info was inaccurate. An easy mistake to make anyway.
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
DA2 is the southbound freight
DA8 is the southbound Ghan
DU4 or DU6 is the southbound Union Reef Ore
DM6 is the southbound Muckerty Ore

AD1 is the northbound freight
AD8 is the northbound Ghan
UD3 or UD5 is the northbound Union Reef Ore
MD3 or MD5 is the northbound Muckerty Ore
  Wiseone Locomotive Fireman

Location: Darwin. NT


Got it (I think!). Going from the fact that the announcement on Nightfire's Ghan was to the effect that it was following an iron ore train and would pass it at Union Reef I had assumed that the Ghan was southbound, as mine was, not northbound as was the case. Since the procedure Wiseone describes involves the northbound Ghan crossing a normal southbound freight and not an ore train, I am wondering if in fact it was a northbound Muckaty manganese ore train that the Ghan was following and passed at Union Reef. Does that happen? That should not have been announced as being an iron ore train but then, if the announcer was the same as on the Ghan I was on, it would not be surprising if the info was inaccurate. An easy mistake to make anyway.
"mdhughes"


Just had a look at the series of pics you mentioned again. If they are posted in the order taken then they are taken from a south bound train. The give away is the road train turning area down the south of Union Reef.

On Wednesday (Ghan departure day) MD3 is due into Darwin about 10 minutes before  The Ghan is due to depart. If MD3 is running late (even by 10 minutes) then we are held at Union Reef for 6 hours waiting for The Ghan. That could have been the cross. This one only happens on a Wednesday and only if MD3 is late.

On Saturdays (when The Ghan runs south) there is a cross out at Union Reef with the Iorn Ore train. Maybe on this day DU4 could have been running late for The Ghan to be so close to it. Usually this train is 90 minutes in front of The Ghan.
  mdhughes Junior Train Controller

Location: Over the Edge Hill - Lime Street tunnels, Liverpool (work); lineside on the Standedge route (home)
Just had a look at the series of pics you mentioned again. If they are posted in the order taken then they are taken from a south bound train. The give away is the road train turning area down the south of Union Reef.

On Wednesday (Ghan departure day) MD3 is due into Darwin about 10 minutes before  The Ghan is due to depart. If MD3 is running late (even by 10 minutes) then we are held at Union Reef for 6 hours waiting for The Ghan. That could have been the cross. This one only happens on a Wednesday and only if MD3 is late.

On Saturdays (when The Ghan runs south) there is a cross out at Union Reef with the Iron Ore train. Maybe on this day DU4 could have been running late for The Ghan to be so close to it. Usually this train is 90 minutes in front of The Ghan.


Thanks for more inside information, Wiseone.

I am in danger of getting lost in the bush here! Just to recap

1. Nightfire said that the northbound Ghan on which he arrived in Darwin on Tuesday 15th June was reported (by the onboard announcer) as following an iron ore train, which it would pass at Union Reef. This implies that the ore train was south of Union Reef. He didn't see them pass but did see the stockpiles at Union Reef.

2. The movie clips were taken by me from a southbound Ghan in May 2009. This Ghan did not pass or cross anything at Union Reef.

3. Seeing the clips, Nightfire said that his northbound Ghan ran through Union Reef on the siding and not on the main line.

4. Wiseone explained that the northbound Tuesday Ghan might run on the siding to cross the DA2 freight at Union Reef and then follow iron ore train UD3. This would explain Nightfire's experience on the northbound if the announcer had got it completely wrong, and I think is the most likely explanation.  My suggestion that it followed a Muckaty ore train south of Union Reef and passed that at Union Reef seems less likely.

Wish I could come and sit at Union Reef for a while to see what goes on. Maybe next year.
  Wiseone Locomotive Fireman

Location: Darwin. NT


4. Wiseone explained that the northbound Tuesday Ghan might run on the siding to cross the DA2 freight at Union Reef and then follow iron ore train UD3. This would explain Nightfire's experience on the northbound if the announcer had got it completely wrong, and I think is the most likely explanation.  My suggestion that it followed a Muckaty ore train south of Union Reef and passed that at Union Reef seems less likely.

Wish I could come and sit at Union Reef for a while to see what goes on. Maybe next year.
"mdhughes"


Correct on the top part of #4. The Ghan never follows a Muckaty. The train ex Muckaty crosses the the Ghan at either Berrimah on Wednesday or Newcastle Waters on Saturday evening.

Union Reef is inaccessible to the general public.
  mdhughes Junior Train Controller

Location: Over the Edge Hill - Lime Street tunnels, Liverpool (work); lineside on the Standedge route (home)
Correct on the top part of #4. The Ghan never follows a Muckaty. The train ex Muckaty crosses the the Ghan at either Berrimah on Wednesday or Newcastle Waters on Saturday evening.

Union Reef is inaccessible to the general public.
"Wiseone"


Thanks, Wiseone. Mystery solved, I think. Just wishful thinking on my part about Union Reef!

Cheers

Martyn

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