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      Tuscan Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    This is a thread for realisticly thought out and doable tour suggestions for lines NSW.

    Tours can be for any currently operational locos and rollingstock; diesel, steam or railcar, over any operational line. Please include stations, waterstops, servicing and turning points plus any other important info.  

    Also think of whether the tour would be commercially viable, create revenue and who it would cater for, eg punters and enthusiasts etc.

    This is not a thread about the "old days" or bickering about organisations so please avoid discussing that.


    Sydney - Goulburn Return
    Steam - Either 36 or 38 without water gin. Suitable long distance carriages - FSs or Twelve Wheelers

    Stop at: DOWN
    *Central
    *Strathfield
    *Cambelltown
    *Picton - water from station hydrant and fire hose (if permissable)
    *Mossvale - water from column in yard
    *Goublurn
      Service, turn and water in Goulburn roundhouse

    Return: UP
    *Mossvale - water from column in yard
    *Picton - water if needed
    *Cambelltown
    *Strathfield
    *Central

    Passengers: Enthusiasts and general public.

    Hope to see some interesting tours!
    Posted: 26 Mar 2011 16:56

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      1248 Locomotive Driver

    Location: Atlas Engineering Co. Sydney
    Whats the point in stoping at redfern??? Seems pointless to me.
    Posted: 26 Mar 2011 17:09
      lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

    Location: Somewhere you're not
    I can't really see the point of this thread either- It should be moved to the lounge if any....
    Posted: 26 Mar 2011 17:19
      Tuscan Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    I've spoken to a few people who have ideas and thought it would be better to have a sepparate thread for this kind of thing rather than going off topic and clogging up other threads. Leave it for the moment and if its not used it'll drop back.

    Should say Strathfield

    And don't worry about bumping the thread replying to this.

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    Sydney - Newcastle or Main Nothern

    *Central
    *Strathfield
    *Hornsby
    *Gosford - Water at station column
    *Newcastle

    or
    *Maitland - service and water at HVTC and turn on triangle
    or
    *Paterson - if possible and RMS in agreeance, stop on the third line outside RMS compound and service and water from fire hose.
    *The Trent Dungog Luncheon. Drop passengers at Dungog, turn on coal balloon loop north of Dungog near.

    Return: DOWN
    *Gosford - water
    *Hornsby
    *Strathfield
    *Central
    Posted: 26 Mar 2011 17:42
      R38 Banned

    Location: Banned
    How about Lidcombe/Granville or Liverpool/Glenfield as stops? So overlooked.
    Posted: 26 Mar 2011 18:20
      Raichase Captain Rant!

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    *Turn on coal balloon loop north of Dungog near
    "Tuscan"


    To be honest, if you're going to run the train all the way to Stratford to turn it, may as well take the punters to Dungog for lunch.

    An easier option to turn a Paterson tour would be to have a diesel on the back to lead the train back to Telarah and turn on the triangle.
    Posted: 26 Mar 2011 18:31
      MBAX Chief Commissioner

    Location: Mostly the Imperial
    Why not contact any of the societies directly rather than wasting your time on here?
    Posted: 26 Mar 2011 18:51
      FieldShunt74 Chief Commissioner

    Why not contact any of the societies directly rather than wasting your time on here?
    "MBAX"


    Getting laughed at may offend.  I don't see any harm in fantasising about tours.  If everyone takes it in the right spirit, it could be entertaining.
    Posted: 26 Mar 2011 19:01
      cooky2304 Train Controller

    Location: Newcastle
    Tour Idea

    Sydney - Werris Creek Overnighter

    Double Headed Steam (36 and 38 )

    Stopping at -
    Sydney

    Strathfield

    Gosford

    Broadmeadow - To Water - I propose the use of a high pressure hose to quickly add water to the tender. Perhaps a fire engine may be acquired to provide rapid water supply.

    Maitland

    Murrurundi - To water - Suggest the same as Broadmeadow

    Werris Creek

    Stable overnight in Werris Creek and return the next day to Sydney.
    Stopping in reverse order to the Down journey. And watering at the same locations.

    Consist: 36, 38, PHA, BCS, RMS, RMS, BCS, TBC, MBE, MCA, GMS.

    Just something I would like to see happen. Could someone please confirm if my tour suggestion would be realistic though? As I'm no big mind when it comes to planning a heritage operation.

    Regards
    Billy Cooksley
    (Cooky2304)
    Posted: 26 Mar 2011 20:44
      Tuscan Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Yeah that sounds fantastic. North Mail II haha Maybe water at Gosford and at HVTC (which would require shunting).

    Or use the same consist as was on the North Mail recreation with 3830, which was an EAM, TAM, and BAMs etc and use the TBC, MBE, MCA and GMS which would be 360 tons-ish. Thats all non airconditioned though (which some may like, others not so)

    To me that sounds doable. Tickets on the North Mail were "3 nights $995.00 per passenger" but that was with other tours included and over 3 nights, not one. So could be
    Posted: 26 Mar 2011 23:41
      3810 Station Master

    Location: Never you mind
    Whats the point in stoping at redfern??? Seems pointless to me.
    "1248"


    Whats the point in this thread (fred)....what a load of smeg wash....this whole thing is pointless!
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 00:12
      5810 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Wingello
    Yet to see a decent tour idea, not just some gunzel smeg dream! Tours run with Water Gins for a reason. Looking at the Goulburn trip, there is 2 water stops just to get there! Why not take a gin and not stop for water at all? Think before posting to avoid embarrassment.
    Embarassed
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 00:20
      Raichase Captain Rant!

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Whats the point in this thread (fred)....what a load of smeg wash....this whole thing is pointless!
    "3810"


    I don't see the harm in the thread - it's people discussing ideas. Nothing wrong with that.
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 09:58
      Camo3801 Locomotive Fireman

    Location: Western Sydney
    Weekend Train to V8 supercars Bathurst 1000

    3801, VHO, TBC, MBE, MCA, RFN, GMS.

    Thursday; Sydney - Bathurst

    Sydney Central

    Parramatta

    Penrith - Optional water stop

    Katoomba

    Wallerawang - Water stop only

    Bathurst - Terminate Passenger Train

    Orange - Store train


    Monday - Orange - Sydney

    Orange

    Bathurst - Start of Passenger train

    Wallerawang - Water Stop

    Katoomba

    Penrith

    Parramatta

    Sydney Central

    Cheers, Cameron
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 10:33
      savy3801 Banned

    Location: Gold Coast - QLD
    Just like back in September 2008 when I went on board the trip to the Blue Mountains in the triple headed trip with HE , Love to go through that again, but this time, pulled by 4 steamer than triple on the one train.

    This may sound like a monsterous idea, I thought this would make gunzels come out for sure
    This is what I had in mind and love to see one day,

    HE - Quadran Steam to the Blue Mountains

    Central to Valley Heights - Stop for water at Penrith
    3801, 3830, SWT, SWT, GMS, TBC, MBE, FS, MFS, EFS, CN, RFN, HN

    from Valley Heights to Wallerawang triangle 35 and 36 attached
    3526, 3642, 3801, 3830, SWT, SWT, GMS, TBC, MBE, FS, MFS, EFS, CN, RFN, HN

    from Wallerawang Triangle to Springhurst
    3526, 3642, 3801, 3830, SWT, SWT, GMS, TBC, MBE, FS, MFS, EFS, CN, RFN, HN

    the nannay and the Pig dettached
    from Springhurst to Central
    3801, 3830, SWT, SWT, GMS, TBC, MBE, FS, MFS, EFS, CN, RFN, HN

    Just a thought.
    Wink
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 10:46
      whitbomb07 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Newcastle/Valley Heights
    Just like back in September 2008 when I went on board the trip to the Blue Mountains in the triple headed trip with HE , Love to go through that again, but this time, pulled by 4 steamer than triple on the one train.

    This may sound like a monsterous idea, I thought this would make gunzels come out for sure
    This is what I had in mind and love to see one day,

    HE - Quadran Steam to the Blue Mountains

    Central to Valley Heights - Stop for water at Penrith
    3801, 3830, SWT, SWT, GMS, TBC, MBE, FS, MFS, EFS, CN, RFN, HN

    from Valley Heights to Wallerawang triangle 35 and 36 attached
    3526, 3642, 3801, 3830, SWT, SWT, GMS, TBC, MBE, FS, MFS, EFS, CN, RFN, HN

    from Wallerawang Triangle to Springhurst
    3526, 3642, 3801, 3830, SWT, SWT, GMS, TBC, MBE, FS, MFS, EFS, CN, RFN, HN

    the nannay and the Pig dettached
    from Springhurst to Central
    3801, 3830, SWT, SWT, GMS, TBC, MBE, FS, MFS, EFS, CN, RFN, HN

    Just a thought.
    Wink
    "savy3801"


    Springhurst? Do you mean Springwood?

    Plus there's no way it will happen considering the 08 trip.

    IIRC the crew on 3830 had to hit the deck for at least part of the 10 tunnels as the amount of smoke was stifling.

    I very much doubt there would be any volunteers for the 4th loco, probably even be hard to get crews for the 3rd again!

    I'd much rather see each individual loco run on consecutive weekends rather than all 4 on the same weekend and then have no tours for a while............

    Regards

    Daniel
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 13:54
      Raichase Captain Rant!

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    I'd much rather see each individual loco run on consecutive weekends rather than all 4 on the same weekend and then have no tours for a while............
    "whitbomb07"


    Daniel, I reckon you're on the money on this one. While triple headers seem to get a lot of people interested in chasing, I don't see the excitement in chasing or even riding on the train.

    As a passenger on the 2009 triple header, the best part of the tour was when 3265 was attacking the grades up to Valley Heights. The loco sounded amazing with a really good sound that echoed through the cuttings and tunnels. The two diesels on the back were assisting, but we were close enough to the front that it didn't matter - the 32 was drowning the rest out.

    When the other two locomotives (the 35 and the 35, iirc) were put on at Valley Heights, it became a cachophony of steam noise, but nothing in specific. Sure it was a LOT of noise as the three locos worked hard, but you couldn't pick them apart, it was just a mess of chuffing.

    I too would prefer to ride on (and chase) single loco trips. Double headers for special occasions are appropriate, although I think three or more locos is overkill. The added cost of having more steam up the front, as well as the increased danger on the road that the excitement of so many steam engines causes isn't worth it, in my opinion. I'd never chase a triple header over the Blue Mountains, some of the driving behaviour on display would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous.
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 13:59
      traincatcher Junior Train Controller



    Plus there's no way it will happen considering the 08 trip.

    IIRC the crew on 3830 had to hit the deck for at least part of the 10 tunnels as the amount of smoke was stifling.

    I very much doubt there would be any volunteers for the 4th loco, probably even be hard to get crews for the 3rd again!

    "whitbomb07"

    Umm ok? Where exactially did you hear that? Better check your sources again on that one!
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 15:26
      Tuscan Junior Train Controller

    Location: Sydney, NSW

    When the other two locomotives (the 35 and the 35, iirc)
    "Raichase"


    Double nannys over the mountains eh Trent? Now that'd be something  Very Happy

    But I'm totally in agreeance. Consecetive tours is far better then one big one. I'd hate to be the guy in the last compartment down the back.

    Canberra and Back in a Day

    This tour was done in the 90s. I think it was 93'

    *Central
    *Strathfield
    *Cambelltown
    -Picton, water from fire hose
    -Mossvale, water if required from column
    *Goublurn - 38 off the train and into the roundhouse, watered, serviced and turned. Pig waiting serviced and watered to make changeover as breif as possible

    *Canberra - water and service. Pig reverse to Queanbeyan and turn on turntable. Passengers to ARHS ACT open day.
    or
    *Terminate at Queanbeyan - watered, serviced and turned on turntable.

    Same stops in return with either the 38 from Goulburn singlely and Pig return to Thirlmere light or double head with Pig back to Central.

    Consist: 38, 36, x6 suitable long distance compartment cars.

    This would be a long day but would be commercially viable one would imagine.
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 19:07
      Raichase Captain Rant!

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    Daniel,

    The problem with a run to Canberra is what to do upon arrival. If the punters want to check out the ARHS museum, then this is an excellent idea, but it's a bit of a hike from the station. There are no shops or anything of interest close to the station. I can see the appeal of running steam on the branch, but I think that ARHS ACT have this sewn up with their Bungendore day trips - good run for the punters without being too long, plenty of places to eat in Bungendore, big park for the kids to play in, and a heritage museum/craft shop in the station building.

    Another problem with a run to Canberra is the line is fairly busy. Obviously on a Sunday there is no garbage train to contend with, but you still have to deal with the Xplorer services.

    That said, I'd gladly go on an "overnight" Canberra tour, run down on the Saturday afternoon, stay in a motel near the station, go for a ride on an ARHS special on the Sunday morning, and head back to Sydney in the afternoon. I don't know how feasable it would be (and it would likely be a diesel trip anyway), but it would be a good trip.


    When the other two locomotives (the 35 and the 35, iirc)
    "Raichase"


    Double nannys over the mountains eh Trent? Now that'd be something  Very Happy
    "Tuscan"


    Whoops! Dunno what happened there!
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 19:16
      1957 Banned

    Location: Banned
    I have been separated by distance from tour news by a move to Queensland.  I like the discussions on potential tours on this thread.  Possible tours by steam or diesel should be discussed somewhere.  Narrow mindedness has been the death of many a preservation group - perhaps those that organise those tours might benefit from the ideas of those who would patronise them.

    The negative comments contained below is becoming boring and divisive.  Why such negativity??  If you don't want to read what is posted - don't read it - simple as that.  You have to hit the thread to read it - just don't click on it if you find it offensive or not to your liking. This forum is not ruled by dictators.

    Keep the ideas coming boys! - if I see one that really takes my interest I will write to the groups capable of running a tours and request that they might consider it.
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 19:44
      R38 Banned

    Location: Banned
    Should 3112 ever return to steam and Sydney, here's a tour... Central, then all stops to Campbelltown via regents pk and return then up the shore to hornsby all stops return. Consist 3112 and DUB 63.
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 19:46
      3801_95 Junior Train Controller

    how about knocking on 6029 from canberra for a return journey?
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 20:03
      newington Chief Commissioner

    Location: Here, very occasionally.
    [Insert Steamer + Helper diesel] To Richmond and Return (forgive me, I'm approximating the travel times)
    Perhaps 3642 + 6-8 cars + 4520 or 4490 or 44211 on rear.

    Central 1000

    Strathfield 1015

    Parramatta 1030

    Blacktown 1040

    Richmond 1110

    The only problem here would be turning 3642 around-impossible.Sad
    Return

    Richmond 1510

    Blacktown 1540

    Parramatta 1550

    Strathfield 1605

    Central 1620


    A day out, no early morning wake ups to catch the train, and not too far  8)
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 21:10
      Raichase Captain Rant!

    Location: Sydney, NSW
    A day out, no early morning wake ups to catch the train, and not too far  8)
    "newington"


    If not for the crosses required with the sparks, I'd back shuttles on the Richmond Line. Throw everyone off at Windsor, there's some good pub food nearby to the station.
    Posted: 27 Mar 2011 21:11

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