North West Rail Link

 
  Rails Chief Commissioner

Went through 15 pages and no dedicated NWRL thread! Since this seems to be happening now under the new Liberal NSW Government it probably deserves a new thread anyway. There were some interesting pieces of info in this SMH article:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/former-cbd-metro-chief-to-drive-northwest-rail-link-20110406-1d4kt.html

Former CBD Metro chief to drive north-west rail link

Jacob Saulwick
April 7, 2011

Construction of north-west rail link


THE O'Farrell government has appointed the man in charge of the CBD Metro, a project it described as reckless and mismanaged in opposition, to run its centrepiece transport policy, the north-west rail link.

Yesterday the Premier, Barry O'Farrell, and the Transport Minister, Gladys Berejiklian, announced a project team to deliver the north-west rail link and committed to beginning geotechnical work on the line this year.

Ms Berejiklian said Rodd Staples, the former chief executive of the Sydney Metro Authority, would lead the project, and said he should not be judged by his previous role.


''We will not blame very, very talented people for the mistakes of the previous Labor government,'' Ms Berejiklian said.

''The Labor government had 10 different transport plans, 12 different rail lines … it was not treating anyone with any respect when it comes to public transport,'' she said.

''We have full confidence in the team we are putting together.''

The new government is unable to say when it would finish the north-west line, a critical 23-kilometre rail link extending from Epping to Rouse Hill, first promised by Labor in 1998.

But Ms Berejiklian said she would know the cost of the line and the route by the end of the year, and that construction would start in the government's first term.

Despite the CBD Metro debacle, which has cost NSW taxpayers more than $400 million since it was cancelled by the Keneally government, Mr Staples won a reputation with private sector infrastructure groups.

Heading the north-west project, one of Mr Staples's tasks will be to find a way of fitting extra trains running on the new line onto an already crowded CityRail system.

Since the demise of the CBD Metro, Mr Staples is known to have been examining ways of converting part of the CityRail grid to a single-deck, high-frequency metro-style system.

Ms Berejiklian, however, confirmed that standard double-decked trains would run on the new rail line. ''This is a heavy rail link,'' she said.

Ms Berejiklian has appointed Owen Johnstone-Donnet, an experienced Liberal adviser and former executive with the infrastructure lobby Tourism and Transport Taskforce, as chief of staff. Larry McGrath, from the TTF's sister organisation, Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, is her policy director.

The executive director of Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, Brendan Lyon, said Mr Staples's appointment was particularly welcome. Mr Lyon said the government should consider a public-private partnership to deliver the north-west line.



Barry O'Farrell names North West Rail Line team

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/full-steam-ahead-on-transport-promise-as-barry-ofarrell-names-north-west-rail-line-team/story-e6frf7jx-1226034811795

From: AAP
April 06, 20114:30PM

THE New South Wales Government has appointed a project team to speed up delivery of Sydney's delayed North West Rail Line, with geotechnical work to begin this year and construction in the next four years.

Frustrated commuters should soon see work started on the line first floated in 1998 for completion in 2010, the State Government says.

The line was delayed, scrapped and then re-announced in February last year by the former Labor Government, with no construction scheduled until 2017.

Premier Barry O'Farrell today announced Rodd Staples - the deputy director of Transport NSW and former chief executive of the CBD Metro - would head the new project team.

He said geotechnical work would begin in 2011 while construction would start in his first term of Government. Establishing the project team so quickly after the election was proof his Government was committed to building the rail line, which had become totemic of Labor's transport delivery failures, he said.

"We are determined to give people that live in Sydney's northwest an opportunity to get off the M7 and M2, and to have a real train alternative to help ease traffic congestion," he told reporters at Rouse Hill, the likely terminus of the line.

"This is about ensuring we get it right the first time. It's about proper planning, proper costing, community consultation."

Transport Minister Gladys Berejiklian said NSW would lobby the Federal Government to have the $2.1 billion committed to the Parramatta to Epping rail link transferred to the North West project.

Federal Transport Minister Anthony Albanese earlier ruled out moving Commonwealth funds from one project to another.

But Ms Berejiklian said the new rail line would benefit all Sydney commuters, not just the almost 500,000 people expected to be living in the city's northwest by 2021.

"This will help all of us, taking cars off roads, taking buses off the Harbour Bridge in the morning," she said, adding that building the line wasn't contingent on federal funds.

Business groups welcomed progress on the line, with the Sydney Business Chamber saying it would deliver on a never-fulfilled 13-year Labor promise.

"The northwest rail link has been the on-again, off-again project that has dogged Sydney's transport reputation," chamber executive director Patricia Forsythe said in a statement.

"The northwest is an important growth region for Sydney, in terms of both business and residential development."
Infrastructure Partnerships Australia (IPA) said the project represented the "biggest expansion of Sydney's rail network in 40 years".

"The North West Rail Link would connect Epping to Rouse Hill and carry nearly 19 million passengers per year by 2024, getting thousands of cars off the road and substantially increasing the use of mass transport," IPA Chief Executive Brendan Lyon said.

Building the rail line would be "a great leap forward in providing the essential infrastructure Sydney needs to curb congestion", the Property Council of Australia said.

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  Warks Minister for Railways

Location: Near H30+059
There was this just a couple of pages back but I'm sure there have been threads before.
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11360235.htm
  Rails Chief Commissioner

There was this just a couple of pages back but I'm sure there have been threads before.
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11360235.htm
"Warks"


Sorry, did see that one but it wasn't quite what I was thinking! Hoping there will be some more positive postings for this project Smile
  djlyon Junior Train Controller

There goes the money for HSR.

I wonder what the transit speed will be?

30 - 45kmh ?
  Rails Chief Commissioner

From the Libs homepage


Fast Track of North West Rail Link Underway


NSW Premier and Minister for Western Sydney Barry O'Farrell and the Minister for Transport Gladys Berejiklian today unveiled the NSW Government's strategy to speed up planning and construction of the North West Rail Link.

"The fast tracking of the North West Rail Link is one of the NSW Government's priority election commitments – and it will be delivered,' Mr O'Farrell said.


"A project team has already been established to accelerate work on the line and a new community information centre will be established soon," he said.

"We expect geotechnical work to begin later this year – in line with our commitment to start on the project as soon as possible."

Mr O'Farrell said the project team had been directed to:
•Determine the planning approvals needed to proceed with the line;
•Put together a full costing of the rail line;
•Begin planning on the best way to integrate trains on the North West Rail Link with the rest of the rail network; and,
•Open discussions with communities and stakeholders along the route.

Mr O'Farrell said families in Sydney's North West have been denied a decent public transport system for too long.

"The population in North West Sydney exceeds that of Canberra – and we are determined to give them the train services Labor failed to deliver for 16 years.

"The North West Rail Link will serve a population of 360,000 which is conservatively expected to grow to 485,000 by 2021.

"This 23-kilometre line will take passengers from areas including Rouse Hill, Castle Hill and the Norwest Business Park to and from the city and make life easier and cheaper for the forgotten people of North Western Sydney.

"It is simply unbelievable that so many people have been allowed to build homes and move into the North West without planning for a rail network in the area.

"We are going to redress that situation immediately by accelerating the North West Rail Link and that work starts today with the establishment of a project team.

"This isn't just about moving people from the North West into the CBD - by 2036, Sydney's North West will be home to more than 145,000 jobs.

"We want to make sure that workers from the rest of Sydney have good access to these employment centres."

Ms Berejiklian said the project team would be headed by Rodd Staples, currently Deputy Director General at Transport NSW where he leads the Infrastructure Division.

"Mr Staples has extensive experience working in both the public and private sectors in NSW, Queensland and Victoria," Ms Berejiklian said.

Mr O'Farrell said there is growing support for the North West Rail Link – and it is time the Labor Party backed the project.

"Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore, the Centre of Independent Economics and Labor's former Planning head, as well as major business groups have thrown their support behind the North West line – leaving the Federal and State Labor leaders isolated," he said.

"The new Labor Leader in NSW needs to decide whether he supports this line or not.

"Does Labor support giving the people of North West Sydney a decent public transport system?"

Mr O'Farrell said the Prime Minister also needed to realise the NSW Government has a mandate to build the line and Federal funding should be diverted to it as a matter of urgency.

"We all agree that the Parramatta to Epping line has merit – but it is also clear that the top priority is to build the North West Rail Link.

"The Prime Minister must accept the will of the people of NSW – they want funding for the North West line to be approved as soon as possible."

Ms Berejiklian said the community information centre would be established along the proposed train route.

"We have always said the community comes first and that's why we are setting up this information centre so people can be fully informed and also have input before decisions are made – not afterwards," she said.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner


"We expect geotechnical work to begin later this year – in line with our commitment to start on the project as soon as possible."

Mr O'Farrell said the project team had been directed to:
•Determine the planning approvals needed to proceed with the line;
•Put together a full costing of the rail line;
•Begin planning on the best way to integrate trains on the North West Rail Link with the rest of the rail network; and,
•Open discussions with communities and stakeholders along the route.
"Rails"


I like this new interpretation of "fast tracking".  Go back to square one and start again (, again).

But what I really can't believe is they are trotting out the "geotechnical work will begin this year".  If that were all it took to start building a rail project.  By this definition, the original NW rail link, the NW metro, the CBD metro have all been "started".

Oh, and this one:

•Begin planning on the best way to integrate trains on the North West Rail Link with the rest of the rail network;

Is it just me or should I read this as a revival of the Beecroft alignment?
  jaseee Chief Train Controller

^^ No I read that as "where the hell to send trains after they reach Epping"?
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
The Gregory's street directory for one has shown the NWRL route on its maps for several years.

There are stations at

Epping
Franklin Road (W Pennant Hills)
Norwest Buiness Park
Burns Road (Kellyville)
Rouse Hill
R.H. Stabling Yard
Vineyard (Richmond Line)

The stations appear to be fairly widely spaced, making for a quick journey.
  jaseee Chief Train Controller

You missed Castle Hill
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
You missed Castle Hill
"jaseee"


And you missed Hills Centre.





Epping
Franklin Road (W Pennant Hills)
Castle Hill
Hills Centre
Norwest Business Park
Burns Road (Kellyville)
Rouse Hill
R.H. Stabling Yard
Vineyard (Richmond Line)


""
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

^^ No I read that as "where the hell to send trains after they reach Epping"?
"jaseee"

It means they know they'll need to be able to send them via Strathfield.
  Redaxe Locomotive Driver

I think the $64,000 question is where will these trains fit onto the North shore Line. The Northshore line is almost at capacity now and so is the Western line. The only option I see is to go ahead with the new habour crossing through Martin Place which means 2 new tracks between Chatswood and the City.

From Chatswood to North Sydney that leaves opportunity to improve the rail network of the lower Northshore. Would it be possible for the Chatswood tunnel to be extended Southeast through Willoughby and Naremburn (2 new stations), then back to St Leonards Station and a new station at Crows Nest and down to North Sydney?

Seems if a new harbour crossing is needed it would be a good chance to link in Willoughby, Naremburn, Crows Nest and the Miller Street just North of North Sydney Station.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper

Since the demise of the CBD Metro, Mr Staples is known to have been examining ways of converting part of the CityRail grid to a single-deck, high-frequency metro-style system.

Ms Berejiklian, however, confirmed that standard double-decked trains would run on the new rail line. ''This is a heavy rail link,'' she said.
"Rails"


Will some single decker trains be built instead of Waratah trains?
I would have thought that the inner west line would have been ideal for single deckers.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I think the $64,000 question is where will these trains fit onto the North shore Line. The Northshore line is almost at capacity now and so is the Western line
"Redaxe"


The simple answer to that question is: they won't.

This is one reason I think the Libs won't use the current (allegedly) "shovel ready" plan and will go with a design that allows NWRL trains to use the main north.   (The main reason being it'll almost certainly be cheaper).

IMHO, the CBD/north shore capacity issues are likely to be left to the next government (either in 2019 or 2023), if rail is even a significant transport mode by then.
  jaseee Chief Train Controller

Build a new road tunnel under the harbour and use lanes 7 and 8 on the bridge for rail. That way to solve 2 problems (ie. have a new train path t and from the city without grade issues and a new road through the city to connect the M4 East/whatever new road they build).
  Rails Chief Commissioner


Since the demise of the CBD Metro, Mr Staples is known to have been examining ways of converting part of the CityRail grid to a single-deck, high-frequency metro-style system.

Ms Berejiklian, however, confirmed that standard double-decked trains would run on the new rail line. ''This is a heavy rail link,'' she said.
"Rails"


Will some single decker trains be built instead of Waratah trains?
I would have thought that the inner west line would have been ideal for single deckers.
"GeoffreyHansen"


I don't think so. Single deck trains would be a new project. I believe the lines they want to run SD trains on are the inner West, Bankstown and North Shore. 30 tph is the number i believe. Maybe they will run the North West line into North Sydney and get Pax to change to North Shore SD trains to cross the bridge.
  Speed Minister for Railways

I think the $64,000 question is where will these trains fit onto the North shore Line. The Northshore line is almost at capacity now and so is the Western line.
"Redaxe"
A corresponding question is "Why should every train that services Blacktown also service Warrawee?" If those services presently running from Richmond to Hornsby via Gordon, run on to Parramatta or Rouse Hill instead, no additional capacity should be required. If services terminating at North Sydney proceed down to Chatswood, more rolling-stock will be required but you stand to gain pathways across the Bridge.

If there's a reduction in north-shore line services down from Chatswood, you're still servicing the major destinations like Chatswood and North Sydney.
  stupid_girl Assistant Commissioner

I think the $64,000 question is where will these trains fit onto the North shore Line. The Northshore line is almost at capacity now and so is the Western line.
"Redaxe"
A corresponding question is "Why should every train that services Blacktown also service Warrawee?" If those services presently running from Richmond to Hornsby via Gordon, run on to Parramatta or Rouse Hill instead, no additional capacity should be required. If services terminating at North Sydney proceed down to Chatswood, more rolling-stock will be required but you stand to gain pathways across the Bridge.

If there's a reduction in north-shore line services down from Chatswood, you're still servicing the major destinations like Chatswood and North Sydney.
"Speed"

I think you have to be careful which is the peak direction.

Certainly, no additional capacity is required to send trains from Blacktown to City then to Rouse Hill in AM peak. However, the section from City to Rouse Hill is the off-peak direction!!!
PM peak isn't too much of a problem at this stage because the bridge is not as close to saturation as in AM peak.

The main problem is in the peak-direction in AM peak.

For AM peak, North Sydney terminators exist only in the shoulder of peak hours. At the busiest time, all trains pass through North Sydney. Of course, if resources allow, it's good to have these services extended. However, there is still a problem in the busiest hour.
  bibs Locomotive Fireman

I have the plans and long sections, and station general arrangement drawing, of the NWRL, from back when it was on the drawing board in 2007.
If you're interested, I can post copies here. There are about 20 drawings.
I was using them for some other work (Im a civil CAD operator).

They were drawings for public use, however I'll remove the title blocks so there's no way that they could be misused accidentally  etc.
There is nothing in them that hasnt really been seen by the public, however they are obviously morte technical and show levels and some station detail.

Or if someone would guide me to where they should be posted; Ill post them there.
All the best
  Speed Minister for Railways

However, the section from City to Rouse Hill is the off-peak direction! PM peak isn't too much of a problem at this stage because the bridge is not as close to saturation as in AM peak. The main problem is in the peak-direction in AM peak.
"Stupid Girl"
I can't see why you can't turn the sentence around.

If those services presently running from Hornsby to Chatswood via Gordon and on to the city and Richmond, originate at Parramatta (approaching Chatswood via Epping) or Rouse Hill instead, no additional capacity should be required. It makes the sentence more complex but doesn't change the idea.

That could mean that those stations at the down end of the North Shore Line get a reduction in services, or that you can send some expresses up the North Shore line to Chatswood because there express pathways become available. If Chatswood, St Leonard's etc retain the present frequency, you may still be providing adequate capacity.
  KymN Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney

If you're interested, I can post copies here. There are about 20 drawings.
Or if someone would guide me to where they should be posted; Ill post them there.
All the best
"bibs"

Thanks bibs.  I would find them very interesting - but I'll leave it to the experts to guide you on how to post them.
  Crazy-D Chief Train Controller

Or if someone would guide me to where they should be posted; Ill post them there.
All the best
"bibs"

What format are they? Are they images or maybe PDF files?

If they are images, then just upload them to a service like ImageShack.us and embed them (there is probably a tutorial on RP) in the pages.

If they are PDF files, or any other formats, then maybe you could zip them up in an archive and upload it to RapidShare so other people can download it. You could then post the download link in this thread.
  stupid_girl Assistant Commissioner

However, the section from City to Rouse Hill is the off-peak direction! PM peak isn't too much of a problem at this stage because the bridge is not as close to saturation as in AM peak. The main problem is in the peak-direction in AM peak.
"Stupid Girl"
I can't see why you can't turn the sentence around.

If those services presently running from Hornsby to Chatswood via Gordon and on to the city and Richmond, originate at Parramatta (approaching Chatswood via Epping) or Rouse Hill instead, no additional capacity should be required. It makes the sentence more complex but doesn't change the idea.

That could mean that those stations at the down end of the North Shore Line get a reduction in services, or that you can send some expresses up the North Shore line to Chatswood because there express pathways become available. If Chatswood, St Leonard's etc retain the present frequency, you may still be providing adequate capacity.
"Speed"

You are then providing inadequate frequency for North Shore Line north of Chatswood. Also, you can't add extra express services without additional pathways south of Chatswood. The capacity constraint is still there.
  bibs Locomotive Fireman

Or if someone would guide me to where they should be posted; Ill post them there.
All the best
"bibs"

What format are they? Are they images or maybe PDF files?

If they are images, then just upload them to a service like ImageShack.us and embed them (there is probably a tutorial on RP) in the pages.

If they are PDF files, or any other formats, then maybe you could zip them up in an archive and upload it to RapidShare so other people can download it. You could then post the download link in this thread.
"Crazy-D"


Hello Crazy-D.
I have edited them (removing title blocks), and saved them into simple jpegs, at A3 size.
I have them already uploaded on to my Photobucket account. I just want to see if the mods here are ok with me posting the links to them.
I dont think there should be any problem, however I'll just wait and see, and if there is no issues; then I'll post the links here for people to use.
  jaseee Chief Train Controller

OK, so what's wrong with having 20tph from Chatswood to North Sydney (all stations), with 10-12 tph coming from the upper North Shore (again stopping all stations from Berowra or Hornsby), 4tph from Hornsby via Mac Park stopping all stations and 4tph from the Central Coast via Mac Park (stopping Hornsby, Epping, then all stations). I realise though it may be a bit tight on the Northern Line though, so even 3tph would be enough for the coast.

Surely even 8-10tph for the upper North Shore is enough (that's a train every 6-7 mins)?

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