Rio Salary Crisis at Rail

 
  pilbara_sam Locomotive Fireman

Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
For those of you who attended meetings where a GM may have been present (inland & CL)& were told of a pay rise, well think again.
It has come to the attention from information leaked by people at the 7 Mile that this person was talking out of turn & has been taken to task by HR, who by the way are the true bosses of Rail!!

So the gap is steadily increasing between Rio, BHP & FMG. Rio has stated that the industry average is $156k, that certainly may have been the case 5 years ago, but not true in today's market.

At this stage any thought of any monetary gain is just another form of getting smoke blown up ones jacksy.

I am on the understanding TC is having many issues as well, so it is not just us in the Pilbara.

Also sackings are on the increase, considering they are short, one wonders what the underlying motivation may be in regards to that. This is based on factual evidence I might add, figures provided by RTO.

For the crew at CL, check, check & triple check before you do anything, as your Manager is out to make a name for himself, not that he hasn't already.

For those of you who want a career at Rio, please I implore you to consider other options, like a lot here that's what we are now doing ourselves.

Lastly can I say Have a happy & safe Christmas with your families.

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  PILBARAMAN Train Controller

Location: PILBARA
We can't be surprised by these companies when they announce their mega profits and show little interest in passing on decent pay rises to the general workforce an yet no trouble at all passing it on to the people at the top.Iron Ore for Rio and BHP is well and truly their biggest profit maker and that is not going to change any time soon.
  Wickham Locomotive Driver

Well the place certainly isn't getting any better is it? Payrise.....you have got to be dreaming.

The time is now ticking down until the Towards 320 bonus is going to be deposited into our bank accounts.

Major date ranges for people but the effects of this bonus will be seen early next year as the old guys gear up to leave and retire or the blokes who have had an absolute gutsful of all the smeg that is happening.

BHP from all accounts is absolutely no better, however FMG seems to be the place to go and with Aquilla and FMG headed to Anketell in a couple of years and then Roy Hill getting up and going Rio Tinto better get it's A into G and start training up some mainline drivers because there is a strong possibility they could loose 20+ mainline guys from the coastal depots next year.

Hey look on the bright side I'm sure Rio will employ 1 Manage, 2 Superintendents and a unlimited number of specialists to look into the pay issue so plenty of jobs for people....thats what they seem to do all the time.

Thought we would of been in better hands with the new GM in the seat, but nothing seems to happen, new manager at the cape is an absolute twat and very arrogant. Thought the days of yelling and screaming were over, clearly not with this piece of work in charge. Can't wait for the union to start getting involved with some of his incidents. One bloke here knows of him very well from Pac Nat and what a nasty nasty person he was there.

Rio Tinto is starting to become a joke of a company and personally I cannot wait to hand my notice once that 320 bonus is in my account which means it costs me nothing to move to somewhere tropical with a beach!!

Finally there is a new HR person, Sarah something....she is a nasty piece of work (she and the Wainker should get married very similar!!)also bet she's the one who has had words with Mr VR!!


What makes this even better is I know for an absolute fact these forums get read, if only people took note.
  node09 Junior Train Controller

What a bitter, nasty piece of work you are. Makes the RIO decision to move towards driverless locos all the more pertinant.
  crowie1 Beginner

Location: North West Australia
Like alot of people they will winge and winge but wont move on to greener pastures...I say if you dont like where you are or what you are doing move on..
  node09 Junior Train Controller

Your'e quite right. Why torture yourself and stay in a job that you clearly hate working for an employee you despise.
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
Your'e quite right. Why torture yourself and stay in a job that you clearly hate working for an employee you despise.
"node09"
i think abba said it. money money money!!!
  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
Like alot of people they will winge and winge but wont move on to greener pastures...I say if you dont like where you are or what you are doing move on..
"crowie1"


I agree. Come drive trains down here or elsewhere. Is the money no good? If no, shut up. Sorry but people need to stop wanting more. 160K a year is good money.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Like alot of people they will winge and winge but wont move on to greener pastures...I say if you dont like where you are or what you are doing move on..
"crowie1"


I agree. Come drive trains down here or elsewhere. Is the money no good? If no, shut up. Sorry but people need to stop wanting more. 160K a year is good money.
"DBclass"


Agree, Production Managers on the east coast with hundreds of employees with some intent of proving Darwin right, govt departments just waiting to pounce and CEO's telling them they need to repeat this years performance again next year for less cost, less people and make more bits don't earn that.

Another way to look at it, Aussie dollar as risen 10% since start of 2010, iron ore is an export business, maybe a 10% paycut?

Regards
Shane
  CAT512 Station Master

Funny. Some of us would be prepared to be trained up gladly work up there for a lot less than $160K. As stated above 160K a year is good money.
  mudhen455 Junior Train Controller

$3000 per week and wingeing ! Go Figure.
  crowie1 Beginner

Location: North West Australia
Just to clarify things a bit Rio drivers arent on 160k a year quite a bit less unless you are doing 2 and 1.....
  Wickham Locomotive Driver

Node09 you are an absolute moron. Hopefully you can be the one who stands at the level crossing to test to make sure it stops before hitting you.

160k a year? around that.

Problem is that sort of money is great FIFO but try living in an area where the price of everything is double that in your major city.

Money isn't everything and I can assure you that's not why I live here, it's the lifestyle and roster 4D 4 OFF 4N 4 OFF.

Sure I could move to Perth but I'm not really the peak employing age for QR National.

How can you want to stop wanting more. If you were earning 40k and rent went up $20 every year I'm sure you would be wanting more too.

More is to keep up with the market and stop loosing good operators. It's not hard and our salarys are only a few ore cars worth of dirt as each train is worth between 2-2.5 million dollars cash in the hand.

The money here is great if your FIFO but nothing has been done to keep people living here and much preference is put forward for FIFO.
  42101 Banned

Location: Banned
Node09 you are an absolute moron. Hopefully you can be the one who stands at the level crossing to test to make sure it stops before hitting you.

160k a year? around that.

Problem is that sort of money is great FIFO but try living in an area where the price of everything is double that in your major city.

Money isn't everything and I can assure you that's not why I live here, it's the lifestyle and roster 4D 4 OFF 4N 4 OFF.

Sure I could move to Perth but I'm not really the peak employing age for QR National.

How can you want to stop wanting more. If you were earning 40k and rent went up $20 every year I'm sure you would be wanting more too.

More is to keep up with the market and stop loosing good operators. It's not hard and our salarys are only a few ore cars worth of dirt as each train is worth between 2-2.5 million dollars cash in the hand.

The money here is great if your FIFO but nothing has been done to keep people living here and much preference is put forward for FIFO.
"Wickham"


Mate just ignore the tosser its either a managment stooge or just out to start a flame war for sh*ts and giggles either way its only a pathetic waste of space.
  CrAy-Z Station Master

Location: Karratha
I'm sure i'll get downvoted for this but shut your smegging whinging!  Rio train drivers - or "koala bears" as everyone else refers to them are the biggest joke and bunch of tossers outside of their own little empire.  The rest of the business at the shop floor level despises them as they are better paid that the signal techs, locomotive fitters/electricians and train controllers who also work their guts out to keep the rio network going...

I got my hands on an old drivers contract recently and i must say that i wish i could get an extra $40k per annum alowance once the company has decided i am actually capable of doing the job i was employed to do in the first place!  Maybe not all the drivers are on $160k, but a fair portion of them will be on that and more.

Not sure what it is like in other parts of the australian rail industry but i reckon these ones have got it made in a company where they are encouraged to be lazy, aren't disciplined for smeg ups (oops i didn't set my own road up correctly when the signalling/CTC was down and now ive derailed and made a huge mess, but oh well someone else will sort it out and ill keep earning the megabucks, or oh no, ive just had a SPAD but it's not my fault - the ATP system let me do it!)
and generally get a cruisy ride.

I have heard over the years that the drivers have it so good because they fought for their conditions and the unions had their back, and we in the other areas should fight too - the difference, it is hard to replace 500+ train drivers if they walk out so the company had to listen, i am sure if a smaller team such as the signal techs all walked out they probably wouldnt even feel the pain for around 48 hours, and would just get enough staff in to keep the network going from a contractor while they sorted the mess out.

I don't see eye to eye with Rio on a daily basis and think they could go a long way to making the place better for all, but if i had to pick a group in the company that has it the best it would have to be the drivers!

Im currently a Sig tech out there, and have been for quite some time just in case anyone was wondering why i think i might be qualified to post on this matter.  And before the insults get thrown - no i am not management, and nor do i aspire to be - but i do tell it like it is.

Let the flame war begin!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
My contribution to the flame war would be that we don't all work for Rio or necessarily speak Rio.

What does 'inland and CL' mean?
Does TC stand for 'Top Cat' (or perhaps Train Control?
RTO in my day was the office that handled the movement by rail of service personnel
CL was a loco class
Mr VR - VR was the Victorian Railways
Doing 2 and 1 ??
4D was an ill fated Victorian suburban train
4 OFF ??
4N ??

If you want sympathy, support or simply to air your complaints you need to be able to communicate intelligently to the proletariat who probably get less than half of what you earn.
  DalyWaters Chief Commissioner

I have heard over the years that the drivers have it so good because they fought for their conditions and the unions had their back, and we in the other areas should fight too - the difference, it is hard to replace 500+ train drivers if they walk out so the company had to listen, i am sure if a smaller team such as the signal techs all walked out they probably wouldnt even feel the pain for around 48 hours, and would just get enough staff in to keep the network going from a contractor while they sorted the mess out.


The answer?  Why are you a Signal Tech?

If you are jealous of the terms and conditions of the train drivers, you have (or have had) the opportunity to apply for a train driving position, go through the training, work in a position somewhere then apply and be successful in getting a Rio driving job.

Instead, you chose to become a Signal Tech.

Like you say, you have put yourself into a position where you might not get all the benefits you want, because you don't have the strength of numbers to be able to achieve that.  

The answer is to get into a job that does have the strength of numbers.

Sorry if that sounds harsh.  We all have to make our own beds.  Train drivers are in a good position at the moment.  Does that make them smarter or you?
  Wickham Locomotive Driver

There are several types of drivers that have different condtions, you have

Yard - Residential
Yard- residential 48hr
Yard - 2 on 1 off
Yard - 2 on 2 off
Mainline - 2/1
Mainline -2/2
Mainline- residential
Mainline -residential 48hr
Mainline guys who have been here 15+ years (many are on very different contracts)
Mainline ex ROBE River (different benefits and contracts, some of these guys are on 200k+ because of buyouts in the 80's)

Thats just the coast and inland conditions are yet again.

So CrAy-Z we could argue for a month of Sundays as to which type of driver you are saying gets paid more than signal techs and fitters etc and can assure you there are fitters who are on a lot more than some mainline drivers but once again depends who.

Sure we do have the "Rail Allowance" which is 20 odd granda a year and this was introduced to stop the hemorrhage to FMG and BHP a few years ago and had to be introduced.

Aren't disciplined? Well I don't know about 7 Mile but we have had quite a number of people sacked for minor offenses here in the last 2 months.

ATP - comes down to training. People who have learnt to drive here have no idea how to drive a train they drive to the ATP system not to the feel, and thats why theres that attitude.

Yes they fought and yes sometimes it was over pathetic tings but the union is back in town and it's good for everyone in Rail and everyone in Rio generally get some conditions and benefits back for people.

Personally if your going to whinge actually hop on a train with someone and see what it's like, hell come with me any time and I will tell you how it is and why it is. Theres always car knocker positions available which progress to driver.

Signal Tech is a skilled position so technically should be well paid and if it isn't you guys need to follow that up, I know a Sig Tech at BHP earning on Par what I do so...........

Also just a technical thing, Rio Tinto drivers are actually among the worst paid drivers in Australia (Trans Perth gets paid more) the only reason we are paid so highly are allowances out bases range from 60-80k
  tank78 Junior Train Controller

Location: Making the red dust fly in the Pilbara!
As a follow on from Wickham's post, I'll give you the picture from an inland employees perspective (that's Tom Price based or mines based - Yandicoogina, Paraburdoo, Hope Downs and West Angelas).

All inland employees are Fly in Fly out. Most of the Tom Price drivers are on 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Thats 14 shifts at 12 hours each (168 hours a month), worked on 7 day shifts, shift change and 7 night shifts (and dont be fooled by day/night shift, it is a variable start roster meaning that when you fly in this swing, you will be starting at 2am for 7 shifts then 2 pm for 7 shifts. This then goes to 3am, then 4am and so on).

All 2/2 workers fly in on their day off and the east coast guys on shifts that finish after 8am generally don't get home until their first day off (so in reality they get 12 or 13 days off and not the 14 that 2/2 supposedly gives you).

The mines drivers and some of the Tom Price drivers are on 2 weeks on and 1 week off (252 hours per month), with the start times being a bit more rigid between 4 am to 8am. These guys generally fly in on the day of work.

No permanent rooms for the Tom Price drivers, change every swing (and often change mid swing as well).

As for the money, I can tell you now that as a 2/2 employee, I am far from being on $160k p.a. Try more like around $120k plus super of around $10k, so total package of around $130k p.a. (base of $69k, rest made of allowances).

Based on around $5-7k increases on performance review every year, it will take me 5 to 7 years of service to make that money. Now there might be some of the older hands that are on $160k plus, but as you can see, it is not a given from the first day.

So, in response to some of your claims cray-z:

Discipline-the last bloke that had a balls up here that was attributed directly back to him was summarily dismissed. As stated previously, the coast drivers are starting to see this happen as well.

Laziness- I don't think so as I know of a few rail related employees here who are not drivers who seem to take delight in parking up in the middle of no where when not tasked with a job and induldging in some fatigue management. The drivers inland have seen their number of shifts worked over 12 hours increase markedly lately (around 12 days with multiple blown shifts last month alone) due to the shortage of drivers that we have up here.

As for the "extra" $40k, you are employed initially as a trainee driver who is learning the road and all of the systems up here, then once you are signed off as competent, you receive the additional rail allowance. Remember, you are at the front of 30000 odd tonnes. If you think it is that easy to come and drive them, then you obviously have no idea about what driving entails. It's not just A to B. You need to know what your train is doing, adapt to different operating conditions, understand all of the safeworking and apply that whilst you are on the move, understand the locomotive systems and be able to work through the faults that we get here. As one of my old driving mates who has worked through all three systems (BHP, RIO and FMG) said to me, if you can drive at RIO, you can drive anywhere (it was his opinion that the track here was the hardest to learn and drive on with its undulating terrain in places and the grades).

As for the ATP, it is a system that is in place to help prevent things like SPADS (and only works where it can supervise your actions) and if you don't come from a system where you actually had to stop the train prior to the signal without assistance, it can lead to some pretty poor driving practices. The experienced ex freight guys drive by feel whereas the railcar drivers drive by the numbers to start with (no disrespect meant to these guys, it's just the way it is) until they get more experience.

I've been in the industry for more than a few years now, and the big three are seen as the ultimate step up if you want to work a lifestyle roster and get ahead in life. If the guys up the road are paying substantially more money, and have better terms and conditions, then in order to stem the flow, RIO will have to match the rest of the big players (or at least come close to it). Add to the mix the Hancock/Adani coal project and Waratah Coal in QLD coming onstream in the next couple of years, RIO could be facing an exodus that it may not be able to cover.

Training can't be done by people who have only just been signed off. The training program is struggling to keep up now. Lose three or four driver trainers with experience here, and 6-12 month sign offs turn into 12-18 months and in that time, trainees will pull the pin because the money is rubbish.
  pilbara_sam Locomotive Fireman

Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
I am impressed with the current discussions. But there are many generalisations with little or no  facts from a few people who have no idea about the current climate.
I previously worked for ARG down south. While the job was good, the rosters sucked, the Loco's were from the dark ages, the wages were poor, but the cost of living was cheap. I came to the Pilbara to give my children the chance to make something out of life, which they wouldn't get else where.
Yes it is true we live in a bubble here, there is no denying that. But with that said some of you fail to understand that the cost of living here is double that of suberbia down south.

Example: Qantas are charging up $429 one way KTA-PER. That is approx 1 weeks rent in Suberbia, Petrol $1.69 per Litre, So don't sit there and preach about being gready, I for one am not a greedy person. My base is $74k, so most of country is on more than us, if it was not for the allowances it would not be worth while. Remembering that Rio could reduce the allowances or try to remove them all together. Some of you small minded people could work here via Skilled if you want a job!
But the kicker is we are losing people to Skilled, who then go BHP because they get an extra $40k, who's being gready now?

As for our signal techy, well my friend, we are not Koalas any more, we are a hunted species who will fade into extinction if we don't fight for our rights. You sound bitter & twisted with the system, that's not our fault. I don't see you starting at 2200, 2300, 0001, 0100, etc. You also don't have supervisors spying on you with every move you make.

If there is management spying on people in this forum, well most of you have the brain power of a nat, you just don't get it do you.

Currently the 7mile workshops are 48 fitters short, why is that, simple $$$$, BHP pay $40k more on the base than Rio.

Yes Rio are a joke & is the biggest circus in town, but it should not be a reflection on the employees, we are doing the best we can given the circumstances & tools. As Wickham has stated contact us & we will get you a day out with us. Blank line rostering is the next thing Rio want to bring into play.

Lastly I love what I do & have for 30 years, it's not a job to me but a lifestyle that I wouldn't change for anything. Trust me I will fight every step of the way to prevent our current conditions from being taken away from me.
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
I'm sure i'll get downvoted for this but shut your smegging whinging!  Rio train drivers - or "koala bears" as everyone else refers to them are the biggest joke and bunch of tossers outside of their own little empire.  The rest of the business at the shop floor level despises them as they are better paid that the signal techs, locomotive fitters/electricians and train controllers who also work their guts out to keep the rio network going...

I got my hands on an old drivers contract recently and i must say that i wish i could get an extra $40k per annum alowance once the company has decided i am actually capable of doing the job i was employed to do in the first place!  Maybe not all the drivers are on $160k, but a fair portion of them will be on that and more.

Not sure what it is like in other parts of the australian rail industry but i reckon these ones have got it made in a company where they are encouraged to be lazy, aren't disciplined for smeg ups (oops i didn't set my own road up correctly when the signalling/CTC was down and now ive derailed and made a huge mess, but oh well someone else will sort it out and ill keep earning the megabucks, or oh no, ive just had a SPAD but it's not my fault - the ATP system let me do it!)
and generally get a cruisy ride.

I have heard over the years that the drivers have it so good because they fought for their conditions and the unions had their back, and we in the other areas should fight too - the difference, it is hard to replace 500+ train drivers if they walk out so the company had to listen, i am sure if a smaller team such as the signal techs all walked out they probably wouldnt even feel the pain for around 48 hours, and would just get enough staff in to keep the network going from a contractor while they sorted the mess out.

I don't see eye to eye with Rio on a daily basis and think they could go a long way to making the place better for all, but if i had to pick a group in the company that has it the best it would have to be the drivers!

Im currently a Sig tech out there, and have been for quite some time just in case anyone was wondering why i think i might be qualified to post on this matter.  And before the insults get thrown - no i am not management, and nor do i aspire to be - but i do tell it like it is.

Let the flame war begin!
"CrAy-Z"
you say that everyone despises drivers but is it hatred or are people just jealous and envious of them. there is a fine line between hating someone and being jealous and envious of them.
  CrAy-Z Station Master

Location: Karratha
Ok - i too am impressed with some of the posts on here... the drivers from Rio - it is interesting to see some of the arguement put the way you have now as opposed to the original posts that kicked it off.


you say that everyone despises drivers but is it hatred or are people just jealous and envious of them. there is a fine line between hating someone and being jealous and envious of them.

Well - i guess you could say that i am jealous in some ways as are others, which breeds the contempt that exists.  I do not want to drive trains - I am much happier keeping the tempremental bugger that is the Rio signalling system working, and will continue to do so for some time to come I think, but it is tough knowing there are others within rail that are looked after much better than we are in terms of conditions and salary.

I don't see you starting at 2200, 2300, 0001, 0100, etc. You also don't have supervisors spying on you with every move you make.
 We do not anymore with the advent of FIFO, but in the past techies have been on a callout system which sometimes resulted in pulling a 12 hour shift at no notice after already having been awake for 15 hours - with little compensation at all.  When the issue of being awake for so long was raised we were told to *manage the fatigue issue* - the problem here, do you stay in bed all day on a weekend just in case you get called out so you are fresh?
And as for big brother - it is getting worse all the time, there may not be a supervisor over our shoulder, but rest assured they are seeing more than they let on.

For some of the base salary comments - Signal Tech at rio is not a special class - as far as Human Resources are concerned we are no different to an electrician or a fitter.  I know on other railways they are treated different, but here they are not.  I don't know the exact numbers, but starting base for a sig tech is still around $60k and from there it is a fight to get any more - same payrises that everyone else sees and rest is made of allowances.  Maybe drivers are in a different boat, but for sig techs Rio is payed better than ARTC, QR and Railcorp - does not compare to BHP/FMG, although management has just come back with a report where they seem to think it does??

Thanks for the invite to come out for a day with drivers - i don't think management will go for it - sig techs are short staffed enough - and i have been on a couple of mainline jaunts already, i do see what you guys do and respect the uniqueness of your job, but bear in mind all jobs (well maybe not all) are unique and signal tech, as well as other parts of Rio have their moments - we are all in this too.

As for the discipline thing - i don't like seeing people lose their livelihood and maybe management are changing now, but we never hear about it and neither does the rest of the rail division.  Instead we hear excuses for poor behaviours and attitudes and are expected to have sympathy.  I remember getting asked to post mortem an interlocking after a derailment where the points set but the swing nose frog did not (locally operated) where the person on the ground who was also a driver swore blind that the correct indication came up on the panel - the result was that the correct indication never came up (and i don't know if they didn't look or how it unfolded) - the interlocking could tell us this because it monitors whether the light is lit or not.  Instead we got questioned again and again as to whether the interlocking could be wrong, and how we plan to stop it from happening again - something that does not instill any confidence that management are addressing the actual issue.  The reason by the way that it did not set up is that the swing nose frog was clipped for mainline and would never have moved.  And yes - sig techs also make screw ups, i am sure i have cost the company a few pennies over the years, as have the rest of the guys, so we aren't perfect but our screw ups tend only to affect ourselves and not other workgroups which is where some of the contempt also lies.
  ChrisDPom Locomotive Fireman

Location: Bali, Europe, Perth (repeat)
I left the then Hamersley Iron in 1993 - see not much has changed Rolling Eyes

Worse thing I found with the shifts (was living in Dampier) was their effect on your fishing!! 8)
  PI_Dash_9 Locomotive Driver

Location: Karratha, WA
There IS a pay rise coming in December, I have this from a VERY reliable source.
The Rail Ops GM has been battling very hard (against some tough opposition) to get the money for us.  If the deal is signed off in time it will happen in the December pay.
Some will not be happy with it, some will be very, very happy with it.  The one's who won't be happy are those already on more than BHP and FMG employees. (they will get an increase, just not as much as those at the lower end of the pay scale)

There will be a significant increase to the base as well as the rail allowance.

There will also be a new retention scheme to entice employees to stay at Rio. It is not an extension of the 320 scheme, it is something entirely new.

Next year will probably be a good time for us that drive trains at Rio.  So pull your fingers out and get out there an earn the big dollars we are going to (already get) getting.

I am a unionist through and through, however we need to quit whining and have a look at what we've got. At the moment I wouldn't want to be working for anyone else.  I get to live in Karratha, get paid good money and have great conditions.  The union will negotiate a new deal for us in three years time which will include some big redundancy packages when ATO comes.  In meantime sit back and enjoy, until the redundancy packs come and then take the money and run.[/b]
  PI_Dash_9 Locomotive Driver

Location: Karratha, WA
Thanks for the invite to come out for a day with drivers - i don't think management will go for it

Our management encourages it.  The Loco Drivers would also appreciate it.  It would help to break down this "us & them" culture that exists.  In saying that we should also be encouraging Loco Drivers to go out and spend a shift with the Sig-Techs etc.
As for the discipline thing - i don't like seeing people lose their livelihood and maybe management are changing now, but we never hear about it and neither does the rest of the rail division. Instead we hear excuses for poor behaviors and attitudes and are expected to have sympathy.

We have had quite a few dismissals in the last couple of months, the reason you don't hear about is they are given the option of resigning and most take that option. The company is not going to advertise to the rest of the business a sacking that took place. Morale is low enough now, without advertising a dismissal.
Well - i guess you could say that i am jealous in some ways as are others, which breeds the contempt that exists.

Be careful what you wish for.  The reason they get paid so much is that you need a smeg load of them, it has a really crappy roster, is very family unfriendly, and at times is incredibly boring.  If they didn't pay big money nobody would do it.

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