New locos at UGL

 
  poppins122325 Chief Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
Both CF 4405 and 4406 were no longer visable tonight, however in an interesting move CEY 001 and 002 were back in the UGL Compound along with a near finished CEY 004.

As per the same GWU 001 and a XRN still remain with another CEY still in primer.

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  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
Today at UGL were GWU003 in undercoat parked with GWU001. Also GWU002 painted and decalled in the shed with under conctruction CEY007 and 2 other ACs. CEY004 still out in the same spot.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/efb5800/6834452759/ - GWU003.
  poppins122325 Chief Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
GWU 002 out in the rain tonight as i crawled home, couldnt see much else out of the car
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Found these two YouTube clips by 'Tickhole Productions' that include GWU 001/002/003 in them, they must be almost ready for delivery to SA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW4dYKjWtIs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqbcgwQZTcE

  poppins122325 Chief Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
CEY 001 Back in at Broadmeadow Plant, unsure of any other locos in the yard at this time
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
There are 2 GWU's in the paint shops, at a guess 6 and 7 as I have been told the 2 in undercoat beside the assembly building are 8 and 9.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
CEY 001 Back in at Broadmeadow Plant, unsure of any other locos in the yard at this time
"poppins122325"


I'm told that SSR/Centennial have a similar arrangement that QRNational do. They have one "spare" locomotive (in this case, 7 CEY Class with 6 in use at any given time) so as to cycle locomotives through UGL facilities for maintenance.
  poppins122325 Chief Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
Sounds a fair bet there Railchase, do you know if its the same with Xstrata ?

Cheers for the info Shacks
  M636C Minister for Railways

Sounds a fair bet there Railchase, do you know if its the same with Xstrata ?

Cheers for the info Shacks
"poppins122325"


Xstrata have twenty locomotives and in general run three locomotives per train, so there should be two spare at any time...

M636C
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Does anyone know where the GWU order is up to ATM ? Vine reckons some (C44s) are due to be painted in PN 5 star in the not too distant future .
Also some unconfirmed rumors getting around about QRN wanting more 6000s .
  Madhouse_ Station Master

http://www.flickr.com/photos/madhouse_au/7120219155/

I think you could be right, how large is the order rumored to be?
  M636C Minister for Railways

Does anyone now where the GWU order is up to ATM ? Vine reckons some (C44s) are due to be painted in PN 5 star in the not too distant future .
Also some unconfirmed rumors getting around about QRN wanting more 6000s .
"BDA"


GWU 006 and GWU 004 were under test in the UGL yard this afternoon.

I'm told that Xstrata are getting ten more, XRN021 - XRN030....

They may be ahead of any PN order.

M636C
  KngtRider Chief Commissioner

Location: http://www.nitroware.net
Whats next for UGL?

Unlike the USA where GE had to open a second plant and is delivering a dozen locos a week to different customers, there is that not much demand here and whoever wanted new locos has already ordered new locos from various suppliers.

I doubt we are going to see ELZ order 50 locos next week for example.

UGL has been fortunate in that they have been able to capatalise on the success of the Gonnian-GE Dash8 and later Dash9/Heavy/AC variants by filling their order books with new customers some of which were partial to  EMD s . Customers liked what hey saw with the NR class and wanted some of that action and got it and UGL is busy as a result.

If Gonnian did not win the NR contract and it went to EMD, what would have kept Gonnian a float since? Would the non loco orders such as railcars and suburban be enough ? Even if they still developed the Dash-9 they may not have got the customer orders they wanted as the NR class total units seems to surpass the total of EL/P/2800 Dash 8s combined?

When these locos were new they were strange as everything else was traditionally EMD or Alco where as there was a better legacy of GE units elsewhere.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I'd say whilever operators keep ordering C44ACs they'll keep making them . The burning question is when will the emissions axe drop here because that would very likely kill off the FDL engine . You'd think that GE is looking very hard at what they can do to make the Evo V12 T4 emissions compliant or what to replace it with if they can't . 

NRs were different rather than strange , obvious parallels with Clyde and ALCO/Comenge units but the basics are the same .
The greatest differences were screen based displays and electronic air brake controls . Computers and diagnostics had already turned up in 82s (in NSW) by that stage and linking them to screens was just the next logical step .
I think the two things that sealed the deal with Gonads was the larger fuel tank and the price , Fred screwed a pretty tight deal out of them and no doubt the extra 40 units NRC ordered had a say in this .
It remains to be seen if the C44AC will have as much of an impact on the rail scene as the NRs had in the last 15 yrs , if the NRs are displaced by the ACs they may put many of the older surviving EMDs and ALCOs out to grass like the 81s/82s/90s did .

Wonder if EDI has anything interesting up their sleeve .   
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
Wonder if EDI has anything interesting up their sleeve .   
"BDA"


EMD 12-265H? (GT52-ACe?)
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why does EDi need something special? The GT46C-ACe is the most well rounded of the 2 offerings, all they need to do is drop the price.
  KngtRider Chief Commissioner

Location: http://www.nitroware.net
Different rather than strange thanks for correcting me , thats more what I meant.

Wonder if EDI has anything interesting up their sleeve .


That is an interesting point. Since the US has their 'rules' that require the new products to be developed all the manufacturers Progress, GE, NREC, WAbtec and all the new indies like Brookfield all developing their own products to meet the new market requirements and potential sales.  I posted pix of the Tier 4 EMDs being developed further for example and GE are enjoying mass sales of AC Gevos to customers who were tradionally DC. NS is buying ES44ACs and these comprise part of their new Heritage fleet. When these GE products were first released they ordered DC. Although these locos are ending up in coal anyway, so...

Where as here theortically orders could dry up and affect everyone. Qube and WA went to the US due to the dollar. I am assumign they saved a few mil per unit and they are in their rights to do so (despite wether the end result is good or not)

I just noticed the earlier posts

QR ,PN ,Xstrata may order a dozen locos more here, twenty there  but these are so low volumes relatively that these are not a long term prospect.

Unless say PN wants to upgrade all the NRs now, that would be a big project for UGL and keep them going.

I am quite interesting in the workings of the US plants and have seen a few documentaries on GE and EMD (some of these are from Discovery, Natgeo and online PR videos) and the speed which they can build a dozen locos or twenty locos, the orders specified in this thread is phenomal.

Lets say for discussion purposes they could be 15 locos a month that is probably a extremely high number, if railways are ordering that many at a time,10,15,20. Those orders would be fufiled quickly and there are no other customers here or export to fill the orders/not that long waiting list for many smaller operators who need to wait in line for for a slot in the production line for their orders.

WHen you see Pilbara locos being tested in the USA often they are with various other roads.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Whats next for UGL?


UGL has been fortunate in that they have been able to capitalise on the success of the Gonnian-GE Dash8 and later Dash9/Heavy/AC variants by filling their order books with new customers some of which were partial to  EMD s . Customers liked what they saw with the NR class and wanted some of that action and got it and UGL is busy as a result.

When these locos were new they were strange as everything else was traditionally EMD or Alco where as there was a better legacy of GE units elsewhere.
"KngtRider"


The GE main line locomotives never really caught on in Australia, despite GE being one of the first in the field. Initially this was due to the Cooper Bessemer engine being significantly down on power compared to the Alco and EMD equivalents, hence the 43 class being built by Goninan with an Alco engine.

GE made considerable improvements in their US Domestic locomotives, but these had no impact in Australia until the Pilbara operators expressed interest, Hamersley buying the first three C36-7s sold anywhere. These were indeed strange compared to the Alco and MLW locomotives using the same electrical equipment. But GE learnt from these and the later Dash8s and Dash9s were a great success in the Pilbara.

But the only state railway customer was QR and that only because Goninan were willing to build them in Queensland. WAGR bought one order of the P class, which were an update of the QR 2600 built in WA, but that was it.

So the NR order was justified largely on the basis that all three Pilbara operators were using GE, and of course on a lower price compared to Clyde/EMD.

But there will probably never be another order like the NR class.

They were ordered by the Keating Labour Government as part of the "One Nation" program, and not even the left wing parties would agree to expenditure like that on rail today. Not counting the PN foray into Queensland, in the following sixteen years, NR and PN have bought a total of 44 locomotives, all for coal traffic.

M636C
  PILBARAMAN Train Controller

Location: PILBARA
Well said M636C ,basically the market controls where the orders go apart from the Pilbara,GE and EMD will continue to deliver locos for the domestic market as demand arrises and particular customers will choose between the 2 or international clients depending on their budget.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I wonder if they regret not buying the 4000s like QR did , or the updated version . You'd think the extra mass and USDM bogies and traction motors would allow higher tractive effort than a GT46C ACe .
I really don't see the TTs ever escaping the Hunter so why they went with lower axle loads is strange .
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter

I really don't see the TTs ever escaping the Hunter so why they went with lower axle loads is strange .
"BDA"

The TT100's are used mostly on Gunadah runs where the heavier loco's are not allowed to go, until ARTC upgrade the line out there you will continue to see them.
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
I really don't see the TTs ever escaping the Hunter so why they went with lower axle loads is strange .
"BDA"


I think it may have been that they were thinking of them eventually going out of NSW. They were also going to be the 91 class, the out of state use may have been the reason for the choice of class to change?
The 92's were ordered at a simmilar time to the TT/91's hence the classing seems to 'skip' a number.

On a note, if the whispers of intermodal getting new loco's are true then they could possibly be added to the TT class numbers, unless they were to go with UGL after the 92 class intermodal trials then I doubt that they would be classed 92 but I've heard that PN are looking into getting 9216 onwards so who knows? There has to be at least some truth to what I've been hearing.
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.


On a note, if the whispers of intermodal getting new loco's are true then they could possibly be added to the TT class numbers, unless they were to go with UGL after the 92 class intermodal trials then I doubt that they would be classed 92 but I've heard that PN are looking into getting 9216 onwards so who knows? There has to be at least some truth to what I've been hearing.
"DounutCereal"


The rumours are true. They'll be GE units (cheaper and better) and we should be seeing the first examples of the 93 class on trials very shortly. basically it's pretty much the same as the C44s UGL have built for a number of operators recently albeit with upgraded cabs for long haul two driver working. I've forgotten how many units have been ordered, I think 10 or so initially with more to come over the next few years. 

The NRs will begin a major overhaul program early next year lasting three years. 

  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
GWU I think 5 and 6 were seen southbound LE through Gunning around 1900 . Many to come ?

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