IRA accident at Botany today (18-12-2011)?

 
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!

Who will be the investigating authority, OTSI or ATSB?

 

Neither has anything on its list of incidents - yet. 

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  Sydney_Gunzel Chief Commissioner

Location: The Red Lines.



Who will be the investigating authority, OTSI or ATSB?

 

Neither has anything on its list of incidents - yet. 

"cootanee"


Didn't occur on the DIRN so I can't see ATSB getting into it. Remember that anything occuring over the Xmas / New Year period will be a little delayed. Having said that, OTSI may decide that the incident isn't worth investigating for whatever reason (ie the operators own investigation may satisfy OTSI). 

  DBclass Chief Commissioner

Location: Western Australia
What was the speed of impact?
  ChrisDPom Locomotive Fireman

Location: Bali, Europe, Perth (repeat)
Does anyone know where this Helga is now?

I am over in NSW next week and never got a phot of this one (presume it will be stored until insurance finalised and then razor bladed).

Cheers

Chris
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Does anyone know where this Helga is now?

I am over in NSW next week and never got a phot of this one (presume it will be stored until insurance finalised and then razor bladed).

Cheers

Chris
"ChrisDPom"



It is still sleeping at Port Botany  
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
What's the news with this one? Has anything been done to it? ie removal from site, inspection. Would be interesting to see if it is repaired like the DSB units were after their prangs.

If the door areas were the designated crumple zone and the DSB loco's were repairable then with the coupler change would the crumple zone have been changed to suit the different stresses on the frame from a different height coupler and the buffers being removed, putting stress on different pointsof the frame from what the original design intended? If these crumple zones were changed to where this loco bent then they might also have been placed in a repairable point incase this happened. Just my thoughs and happy to be corrected.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Funny you should bump this thread to ask that - just this morning I was sent photos of 1438 stored without bogies adjacent to the yard, looking very sad and sorry for itself. It appears to have attracted a couple of pieces of graffiti. As the photos are not mine, I cannot post them here, but hopefully someone else might have some?
  MBAX Chief Commissioner

Location: Mostly the Imperial
Funny you should bump this thread to ask that - just this morning I was sent photos of 1438 stored without bogies adjacent to the yard, looking very sad and sorry for itself. It appears to have attracted a couple of pieces of graffiti. As the photos are not mine, I cannot post them here, but hopefully someone else might have some?
"Raichase"


Supposedly being trucked to Bradken, Braemar shortly. Not sure what the plans are once it gets down there. 
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Funny you should bump this thread to ask that - just this morning I was sent photos of 1438 stored without bogies adjacent to the yard, looking very sad and sorry for itself. It appears to have attracted a couple of pieces of graffiti. As the photos are not mine, I cannot post them here, but hopefully someone else might have some?
"Raichase"


Supposedly being trucked to Bradken, Braemar shortly. Not sure what the plans are once it gets down there. 
"MBAX"


As long as nobody told 1438 what happened to the cousins it had down there!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Funny you should bump this thread to ask that - just this morning I was sent photos of 1438 stored without bogies adjacent to the yard, looking very sad and sorry for itself. It appears to have attracted a couple of pieces of graffiti. As the photos are not mine, I cannot post them here, but hopefully someone else might have some?
"Raichase"


Supposedly being trucked to Bradken, Braemar shortly. Not sure what the plans are once it gets down there. 
"MBAX"


Sparks, metal grinding and crushing noises is my guess
  WayneTedrow Junior Train Controller

Funny you should bump this thread to ask that - just this morning I was sent photos of 1438 stored without bogies adjacent to the yard, looking very sad and sorry for itself. It appears to have attracted a couple of pieces of graffiti. As the photos are not mine, I cannot post them here, but hopefully someone else might have some?
"Raichase"


Supposedly being trucked to Bradken, Braemar shortly. Not sure what the plans are once it gets down there. 
"MBAX"


Sparks, metal grinding and crushing noises is my guess
"RTT_Rules"


Why send it all the way down to Braemar to scrap it when Simmsmetal is about 3 k's up the road!
Smile
  ChrisDPom Locomotive Fireman

Location: Bali, Europe, Perth (repeat)
If it is due to be scrapped, Sims' bid may have been too low.

Scrap locos in the UK  are usually sold for about $40k equivalent. All that copper and steel.

Because of the ex-BR rules, scrap tenders in the UK are posted on the companies websites.

Wouldn't have that issue here.
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
Funny you should bump this thread to ask that - just this morning I was sent photos of 1438 stored without bogies adjacent to the yard, looking very sad and sorry for itself. It appears to have attracted a couple of pieces of graffiti. As the photos are not mine, I cannot post them here, but hopefully someone else might have some?
"Raichase"


Supposedly being trucked to Bradken, Braemar shortly. Not sure what the plans are once it gets down there. 
"MBAX"
Sparks, metal grinding and crushing noises is my guess
"RTT_Rules"
Why send it all the way down to Braemar to scrap it when Simmsmetal is about 3 k's up the road! Smile
"WayneTedrow"
Usable parts. I cannot recall the exact numbers but I believe the bogies are for 1434 and the donk may be going into 1432 which are both presently at Braemar.
  WSRR Station Staff

Location: Sydney
1434 already has been rewheeled & is due for release right now @ Braemar. 1432 has a new engine ex USA sitting beside it @ Braemar ready for installation. Story was 1438 was being moved last weekend, seems that didn't happen.
  johndory Junior Train Controller

loco was moved from the breakdown road at Botany and is now sitting next to the yard access gate outside Kelloggs, bogies have been removed and the loco is sitting on a supportsl. I was looking at it when the guys contracted to do the move turned up to look over it on Monday , from chatting to them it is expected to be moved to Braemaer this or next weekend.
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
1434 already has been rewheeled & is due for release right now @ Braemar. 1432 has a new engine ex USA sitting beside it @ Braemar ready for installation. Story was 1438 was being moved last weekend, seems that didn't happen.
"WSRR"
1438 was shunted and then lifted off on Easter Monday during the Goods Line possession as it had to be relocated within the yard to be lifted. That was done and the bogies removed, I was told that the bogies were for 1429 at Braemar but as 1429 is at Chullora figured they may be for 1434 (so that was my bad). 1435 also requires wheels so maybe 1438s will be going under 1435. I can't recall another taht requires an engine so 1438s most likely to storage at Braemar till required.

As for moving, supposedly 1438 will placed on truck this weekend for the trip to Braemar to be taken off the truck sometime Monday, or so I have been made aware is the current plan.
  biqua Paper Tiger

Location: Under a rock

As I expected, TE2815 is on the money - yesterday afternoon she was still behind the fence, but this afternoon she's ready for what I assume will be her final journey.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/biqua/6952540290/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/biqua/7101499309/

 

  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
Was noted at Braemar in the carpark behind Bradken last Monday (23/4/2012) still on the flatbed awaiting the arrival of the cranes. The bogies also in attendance on two other trucks outside waiting to get in.
  biqua Paper Tiger

Location: Under a rock

On Wednesday she was hidden behind coal hoppers, so couldn't tell a great deal about the status, but I'm pretty sure was off the flatbed.

For those interested, more pics of 1438 from the weekend can be seen on my blog.

  4206 Chief Commissioner

Location: Dorrigo yard

On Wednesday she was hidden behind coal hoppers, so couldn't tell a great deal about the status, but I'm pretty sure was off the flatbed.

For those interested, more pics of 1438 from the weekend can be seen on my blog.

"biqua"



Thanks for sharing, great photos there
  Zodiac Junior Train Controller

Location: The Never Never
So I see that some dribbly foamer has already stolen the number boards out of it.
Typical.

The Zodiac
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse

biqua, I've read you blog page, very interesting I reckon and I didn't know that they were unreliable to not only in Denmark but in Australia? They are powerful but they're also prone to accidents, such as uncareful shunting?

Why are the Helga's unreliable? is it because of it's poor design and weakened body? 

Hopefully no more fast shunting would ever been done on the Helgas ever again, It's sound like shunting is the weak spot for the Helga's?

BTW, they may have run on Danish lines but they are truly Swedish, all because of being manufactured in Sweden (NOHAB) before the manufacturing company had shut it's doors in 1979 and then moved over to Denmark and run on the Danish lines.

Who still hasn't warmed up to the Helga's since they arrived in Australia? since biqua make that comment in his blog page.

JT
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney


Why are the Helga's unreliable? is it because of it's poor design and weakened body? 

Hopefully no more fast shunting would ever been done on the Helgas ever again, It's sound like shunting is the weak spot for the Helga's?

"jt393"


500 tonnes of metal crashing at speed into 2000 tonnes of train will never end well, irregardless of the type of locomotive. They are designed much like a car to crumple to protect the crew and absorb the shock of impact.

End of the day, the train crew controls how the shunt occurs, and the results, not the locomotive...
  jt393 Assistant Commissioner

Location: los jinetes enmascarados' clubhouse
"griz"


Imagine still operating the Helga after the incident looking like that.

JT
  TE2815 Minister for Railways

Location: Mission control Minto or Thirlmere
1438s bogies are now under 1440.

One of the wheel sets from 1440 are destined for 1445.

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