Cruze 2nd Gen Diesel

 
  poppins122325 Chief Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
Hi All,

Im in the process of looking into new cars for getting to and from work, so far im looking into the Cruze CDX and just wanted to know if anyone here has one or can she some light into the car at all before i settle in to test driving one.

Thanks for the help guys Smile

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  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Hi All,

Im in the process of looking into new cars for getting to and from work, so far im looking into the Cruze CDX and just wanted to know if anyone here has one or can she some light into the car at all before i settle in to test driving one.

Thanks for the help guys Smile
"poppins122325"


My boss just bought one for his wife, seems happy with it.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Enjoy the DaewooHolden.


  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
I'd suggest avoiding anything with a Holden (or Ford) badge on it. Get something Japanese or European, it'll be much better quality and more reliable.
  Draffa Chief Commissioner

Make sure the brakes work.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I would definitely NOT recommend the 1.8L Petrol version.  The engine in that is an absolute nail - harsh, noisy, mostly gutless, and not that fuel efficient.... reminds me of a certain Holden 4 cylinder engine of the early 1980s (the Backfire, sorry Starfire engine).

Interior trim is generally below par and not a patch on Japanese and European offerings, but the diesel does drive OK.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
It's a Daewoo, which happens to be assembled partly in Adelaide.

Buy something with a French or German badge if you want a decent 4 cylinder diesel.
  snowcone Station Master

I looked at the first generation and took a diesel for a drive.
What a piece of crap
absolutley gutless so i hope they have improved it since then.
and also the plastic nobs and bits and pieces were starting to break and this demonstrator only had a couple of thousand kms on it.
Admittedly they are throwing them together in Aus now but the plastic is still Chinese

I bought a Honda Accord Euro instead and love it
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I looked at the first generation and took a diesel for a drive.
What a piece of crap
absolutley gutless so i hope they have improved it since then.
"snowcone"


They have apparently, and done a lot of work on improving NVH.  The other thing is that brand new diesels are often super-tight and need a bit of running-in before they perform at their best.

Good review here: http://www.themotorreport.com.au/51865/2011-holden-series-ii-cruze-cdx-diesel-road-test-review
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Regarding the Series 2 Cruze, there's a lengthy discussion  over on the Whirlpool Forum The view that the 1.8 petrol engine is a slug is common. Diesel version has more favourable mentions.

If you're not adamant the vehicle is a diesel, and not wanting to pay extra cash, I would strongly favour a Mazda 3. A base Neo Auto is driveaway at around $23K. 2 litre engine outpips the Cruze 1.8.

I maybe once would've considered test driving a Cruze, but could not be tempted as the design is so damn ugly at the front end. The bulging hood is hideous.
  poppins122325 Chief Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
Thanks for the feedback so far guys,

Im open for any suggestions being that it must be a manual, be good on fuel (preferably leaning towards diesel as i drive 100km each day minimum) and i must be able to fit inside of it comfortably im quite tall at 6 foot 4 inch and i do require a 4 door thats fairly spacious

I know its asking a lot to tick all the boxes in one

if anyone has any input im keen to hear it Smile
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
i must be able to fit inside of it comfortably im quite tall at 6 foot 4 inch
"poppins122325"


Make sure you take one for a drive of at least 5km to test comfort. We have an older petrol Cruze at work that I find extremely uncomfortable to drive and I'm only around 173cm. (Feet and Inches went out in 1974, 38 years ago).
  poppins122325 Chief Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
i must be able to fit inside of it comfortably im quite tall at 6 foot 4 inch
"poppins122325"


Make sure you take one for a drive of at least 5km to test comfort. We have an older petrol Cruze at work that I find extremely uncomfortable to drive and I'm only around 173cm. (Feet and Inches went out in 1974, 38 years ago).
"Graham4405"


Haha, knew someone would pick up on the feet and inches there, all my family are from the feet and inch era and same with a few of the older guys at work so i just ended up knowing both to make things easier.

Back OT thanks for the info Graham4405 i will be sure to get a decent test drive if i go down that path
  sparkdriver Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I bought a 2008 Volkswagon Jetta turbo diesel a few months ago and have been very impressed with it so far. This is the first diesel powered car that i've owned and i doubt that i would buy a petrol powered car again from now on. With so much torque in the engine, the car just pulls along effortlessly everywhere. The fuel economy is amazing - i get over 900km's per tank for city driving and over 1100km's for highway driving from a 55 litre fuel tank.

It's very comfortable and roomy and has a massive boot. I'm 6' tall or 183cm's and have plenty of room and there's plenty of leg room behind me for the back seat passengers.

My one's fitted with the DSG gearbox (Direct Shift Gearbox) but you can get them in 6 speed manual gearboxes as well.


  Draffa Chief Commissioner

Im open for any suggestions being that it must be a manual, be good on fuel (preferably leaning towards diesel as i drive 100km each day minimum) and i must be able to fit inside of it comfortably im quite tall at 6 foot 4 inch and i do require a 4 door thats fairly spacious
"poppins122325"
LX or LH Torana with a modern hi-po 4-pack conversion. Laughing
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  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
I'd suggest avoiding anything with a Holden (or Ford) badge on it. Get something Japanese or European, it'll be much better quality and more reliable.
"Braddo"


You realise the Mondeo is built in Belgium, right? It's a half decent car and shares it's platform with the Volvo S80, V60, XC70, Range Rover Evoke, among others. And you can have a diesel. Ive heard good things about the Focus and Fiesta as well. Avoid Holden's entire range completely*, you're on the money there. 

*If you really must, the Calais is probably my pick.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Avoid Holden's entire range completely*, you're on the money there.

*If you really must, the Calais is probably my pick.
"Typhon"
The Calais is proof that you can polish a turd.
  heisdeadjim Chief Commissioner
  sparkdriver Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I'd suggest avoiding anything with a Holden (or Ford) badge on it. Get something Japanese or European, it'll be much better quality and more reliable.
"Braddo"


You realise the Mondeo is built in Belgium, right? It's a half decent car and shares it's platform with the Volvo S80, V60, XC70, Range Rover Evoke, among others. And you can have a diesel. Ive heard good things about the Focus and Fiesta as well. Avoid Holden's entire range completely*, you're on the money there. 

*If you really must, the Calais is probably my pick.
"Typhon"


The wife drives a 2009 Fiesta and it's a great and zippy little car.
  simont141 Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide
I've got a series 2 CDX Cruze - Diesel, manual.

It's pretty good to drive. Plenty of guts, although it does have quite noticeable turbo lag. Interior does feel and look good.

I did get it for a good price though (brand new for 25% below the RRP), so I'm assessing it as a $25,000 car. Is it worth the full $30,000 brand new? Possibly, but definitely weigh it up against the euro competitors.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
A Subaru Impreza c.2006-07 is my type of car. Also my dream one too!

I was saving up for one last year, but I cowardly quit because the machine I worked on kept breaking down. Anyway that's another story.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I bought a 2008 Volkswagon Jetta turbo diesel a few months ago and have been very impressed with it so far. This is the first diesel powered car that i've owned and i doubt that i would buy a petrol powered car again from now on. With so much torque in the engine, the car just pulls along effortlessly everywhere. The fuel economy is amazing - i get over 900km's per tank for city driving and over 1100km's for highway driving from a 55 litre fuel tank.

It's very comfortable and roomy and has a massive boot. I'm 6' tall or 183cm's and have plenty of room and there's plenty of leg room behind me for the back seat passengers.

My one's fitted with the DSG gearbox (Direct Shift Gearbox) but you can get them in 6 speed manual gearboxes as well.

"sparkdriver"


I hired a Audi A4, an 6 speed wagon in Germany over xmas for 3 weeks, it was I think 2L diesel, very hard to find out what size the engine was as everything in German. They have same engine as Jetta and yes its an amazing engine. We were getting 4.5 to 5.5L/100km. Crusing along major roads usually in 5th gear and it was in its prime. And yes one trip we got 1000km on the tank and partly driving in snow in mountains. It seemed to be happy also at 140-150 on auto bahn but thats when the juice consumption starts to rise. it takes a bit og getting used to having the engine stop when you stop which is part of the fuel saving operation. It restarts automatically when you place your foot on the clutch.

A friend owned a Jetta in Canada and loved the engine also. He once cooked it at night with a water leak, engine was glowing red. Let it cool, refilled water and never missed a beat again.

My car in UAE is 2011 Toyota Aurion V6 (Aussie made), top of range and alot cheaper than in Aussie. Diesel here is nearly same as Aussie prices, but petrol is 45c/L, hence noone drives a diesel. This car for the price is amazing. 300HP 6 spd auto. At 140 it pulls hard to 180. Pulling out from petrol station onto hwy and before end of off ramp its at 140-150 without trying. Handles very well, although being front wheel drive power hard off lights and she pulls hard to right. Even Emiraties like the car and know it for its power and appearance and often have one or American version Avalon until they can afford their BMW 7 series or X5. Only thing I don't like on Aurion is the dash and interior colour trim is a bit plain. Black would be a nice option with the leather trim.

When headed back to Aus, the fuel economy of the Audi will make us look at a diesel sedan but probably not an Audi as 2nd price will be improtant. Only issue with a diesel is that when they go wrong, they do it in style. Recon head for my Hilux, $2500 in 2004. Oil change that doesn't leave much change from $50 for a filter, meanwhile my wife's Fairmont standard Z4(?) oil cartridge are $5 and they don't even bother to place them in a box.  the wife loves her Fairmonts, and I like to have one Aussie made car in garage. Might be an Aurion when we go home with the other being a 4x4. What we liked about the Fairmont was you picked up a 3 year odl $45,000 car ex lease for 1/3 the price and you had a large car to pull the boat, great for long drives and cheap and easy on parts and very reliable.

Of the Aussie made cars, people say they are rubbish, but the Toyota Camry/Aurion are very popular in middle east because of quality, reliability and price and in general Toyota's are well loved in Middle east. Most of Dubai's taxis are Camry's. Go to Oman, all the dealers are small until you see Toyota, its huge. Toyota Dubai was selling 45 cars/saleman/mth in 2009 and they have 20 sales people. Nissan is what you buy if you cannot afford a Toyota.

V8 Commodore's are also very popular in Middle east (and if I had my time again may have bought a 2nd hand one) because of their HP, style and price. You see plenty of older ones and many are rebaged from Chev back to Aussie Holden Commodore trim.

Falcon's, unfortunately for Australia not exported and probably this tells the future for production.


  rocky534 Junior Train Controller


Can’t comment on the Cruze;

But my boss drives his missis VW golf 2010 and his 6.4 and he finds it fine. Mind you tho it is a $35000 or so car and that is with the DSG. Surprisingly it is not bad in the back.

Iv had 3 VW Caddys (Golf with a big smeg back on them) 1.9 – all have been different and from great to just ok. The later versions seem (to me) to have bigger turbo so boost kicks in later which I find annoying.  

You could get a new for around 27K mark, pay $1200 or so to get a back seat (aftermarket) - save ya self a few $$ depending on how often you take ppl with you.

  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Unless you do more than 30,000km a year don't buy a Diesel. With the typicaly higher fuel cost, and the initial higher purchase price you need to do high kilometers to get any savings out of the diesels effeciency. Most modern turbo petrol 4 cyl cars are quite economical, with some of the big Germans getting exceptional economy (Mercedes Benz E250 and BMW 328i come to mind)

As for the Cruze, as with most Holdens they are very overrated. They are a perfectly competent car, but there are a lot of cars out there that are much better. If you can stretch to a Ford Mondeo Zetec Ecoboost, they are very comfortable, well equipped and quite economical while still being good fun to drive, a colleague of mine recently got one and is very happy with it.

If the Mondeo is too much of a stretch (and I don't know if you can option a Mondeo with a manual 'box), get a VW Golf, they are a staple in Europe, and are finally getting recognised here for the class leader they are, but a word of warning, definitly go for the manual transmission if you can, the DSG 'auto' has a bit of a reputation for being troublesome, and expensive to repair when out of warranty. If you get a Golf, don't bother with a diesel, the petrols are excellent and the diesel isn't worth the premium.


  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Unless you do more than 30,000km a year don't buy a Diesel. With the typicaly higher fuel cost, and the initial higher purchase price you need to do high kilometers to get any savings out of the diesels effeciency. Most modern turbo petrol 4 cyl cars are quite economical, with some of the big Germans getting exceptional economy (Mercedes Benz E250 and BMW 328i come to mind)

As for the Cruze, as with most Holdens they are very overrated. They are a perfectly competent car, but there are a lot of cars out there that are much better. If you can stretch to a Ford Mondeo Zetec Ecoboost, they are very comfortable, well equipped and quite economical while still being good fun to drive, a colleague of mine recently got one and is very happy with it.

If the Mondeo is too much of a stretch (and I don't know if you can option a Mondeo with a manual 'box), get a VW Golf, they are a staple in Europe, and are finally getting recognised here for the class leader they are, but a word of warning, definitly go for the manual transmission if you can, the DSG 'auto' has a bit of a reputation for being troublesome, and expensive to repair when out of warranty. If you get a Golf, don't bother with a diesel, the petrols are excellent and the diesel isn't worth the premium.

"Gman_86"


Excellent points +1. In 2003 a friend bought the new 4.2DT Nissan Patrol, it cost $5500 more for the diesel over the petrol and needs oil changes more often and cost twice the amount. Two more costly filters and more oil.  Not happy with the performance of the diesel on the hwy's he spent that again 4 years later getting the turbo and exhausted system modified. Issue with them is that when pulling even a light load at 100km/hr, they dont' rev enough on the factory fitted turbo to give much boost so you dropping down to 4th frequently to climb a slight hill. But off road, certainly no complaints. Maybe Nissan designed it that way for a reason?

He sold the car 8 years later and nearly 200,000km including many off-road trips, I doubt whether they ever saved enough fuel to off-set the higher costs.

I will note when driving off-road in remote areas and carrying extra fuel, a diesel is more prefered (although can you justify the purchase of a car based on a 1 in 3 year trip? I was surprised by my 2.4DT Surf Hilux in Cape York. On hwy at 90km/hr, I was getting 550km to a 65L tank. Off road in 3-4th gear alot and occasion 4x4, it was 450km. Carrying petrol is fine, but you need to carry more jerry cans and petrol inside a rolling around 4x4 cabin has its own issues over diesel. I was happy with the Surf Hilux up at the cape, but like many 4x4 owners I didn't do enough serious camping trips to justify and should have stuck with the plan to downsize on return to soft off-roader which could do the local weekends away just as easy and without the cost as much in the mean time.

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