New locos at UGL

 
  poppins122325 Chief Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
Not exactly new but theres 2812 i believe in the yard near the turton rd lights, been there since friday i believe

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  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Consist manager is a customer option I think. It's intended use is to supply the requested power according to the driver's selected throttle notch in the most fuel effective way. So if there are 3 locos lightly loaded and driver selects notch 2, requiring "x" amount of hp it might have the lead loco in notch one and the rear locos in notch 3. It needs to have each loco class that could be attached to the C44 programmed in.


Consist Manager wont be fitted to the 93s. Not at first anyway, although it is the eventual plan.  

Consist monitor will be fitted to the 93s. Maybe not on the initial batch but certainly as a retrofit. 

It sounds like a lot of detail things need to be changed in these 93s . Cab switching is said to be all over the place rather than logically grouped like in NRs .
"BDA"


The problem was the first six locos were supposed to be for another operator but they pulled out and were offered to PN who picked them up on the cheap. So a lot of the stuff PN require (Consist Monitor, hotplate, cab mounted sand boxes, FreightMiser, etc) will have to be added in retrofits. 
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Not exactly new but theres 2812 i believe in the yard near the turton rd lights, been there since friday i believe
"poppins122325"


Sure it's not 2821?
  poppins122325 Chief Train Controller

Location: Hunter Valley
most likely Graham4405, only got a pacing glance to and from work  Wink
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
People that are right into this stuff tell me that sand bins aren't a major issue and can easily go either way .
Screens are and it may get a bit crowded having four facing the primary driving position . GE /Gonads have two for the loco stuff and PN want Freight Miser and ICE as well .
Things you would think unusual like head light/ditch light/dim switches being in three different locations needs to be fixed and how that situation ever came about beats me . I can only put it down to differences in manufacturers and operators convenience .
The hot plate option sounds trivial but think about this . A lot of people like to have one hot meal a day and having it on the fly is usually no issue . We'll say you work in a railway where 90% of the locos have a hot plate so you takes your food to work frozen in a steamer . At the right time it goes on the hot plate at a low setting to thaw and heat ready to eat . The day you rock up and find a microwave instead of a hot plate what do you do - metal and microwaves don't mix . Had you always had microwaves and carted food around in plastic containers and one day found only a hot plate ...
Rather than have a mix of one or the other there needs to be a standard and my vote goes to a hot plate . Cheap basic and easy to service . Self cleaning to a degree element wise and can double as a heater if all else fails . My personal opinion is that a microwave oven needs to be built in somewhere rather than added as an afterthought . The other problem is that some people have no concept of hygiene and I don't want to be debotulising someone elses lack of standards .
The fridge sounds like a big issue because the ones made for NRs I don't think are available and are a bit big to remove for change out easily . I hear that fridge suppliers won't supply odd sizes in small numbers and I doubt PN will order these locos in large enough batches to justify the minimum number of custom fridges to be economic to make . Not sure where this is up to ATM .

A lot of thought goes into locomotive cab standards and as with everything else there should be continuous improvements .
Cars and trucks you drive today are far more user friendly and less fatiguing than they were in the 80s let alone the 60s .
Theres no reason why locomotive cabs should be any different and if things are placed logically and ergonomically with no real cost penalty then its a no brainer isn't it .
Assuming all these issues have a good outcome it may be possible for other operators to view these 93 Cl cabs and if they are agreeable and cost not a factor it could become the std issue C44ACi cab layout . Its still possible to delete some items but the essentials can at least be located for ease of use .

The fuel filler pipes both sides need to be modified as mentioned but this is not a difficult thing to do anyway . If a more ergonomic solution is available again it could become std equipment .
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Yeah, it sounds like there's still a few unresolved issues and hopefully the cab committees can present PN with a good and detailed list of what needs to be done so PN can go back to UGL and say here's what we want, which pleasing to say, is happening. Just make it like the NR please! Razz

PN and UGL wont budge on the fridge though, they dont want to keep maintaining the big fridges when there's no parts and it isnt cost effective. Plus it's a safety issue, getting the fridge in and out of the cab which has to go through the window and you can imagine what a PITA that job would be.  





  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
..... Plus it's a safety issue, getting the fridge in and out of the cab which has to go through the window and you can imagine what a PITA that job would be.  
"Typhon"


I'd love to read the JSA on that job!  Laughing
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Well if they want crews to rack up lots of cab hours and kilometers in these units they have to take the crews long term health prospects into account . Some intermediate depots work 12 on 8 off and 12 on again and most if not all their work in some cases is away jobs . I wouldn't like to live most of my work life consuming non perishable foods , remember its two people spending up to 12 hours in that cab and living on dry packet rubbish is a bit how ya going after a while . 
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
9301 lead a vanilla NR up 1 dep at Port Waratah about 11:00 today.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
That would rely on a perfect world where the infrastructure was A1 and everything everywhere ran to table .
This doesn't happen often , virtually never . IMO its always better to be able to select the horsepower to suit the trains needs and the fewest possible units working as hard as possible to run the section times desired .
Diesel engines don't like to run cool or lightly loaded where fuel consumption is an issue . They like to be loaded up so they can get hot and stay that way so they burn cleanly and you get the most work done for the fuel burnt .
Intermodal service is very different to bulk train service , you expect coal trains to be loaded to the hilt for the ruleing grades and they are heavy all the time .
East coast intermodal trains (MB/BMs) have to be powered for 1:40 grades but the lengths of these grades is a very small percentage of the corridors total length .
Some parts of this corridor are quite fast and it takes horsepower to get up to higher speeds , not so much to maintain it .
Possibly the way to look at it is parts of the corridor need high horsepower/tonne ratios to run the schedules and others don't . This was why we used to have trailing bankers ie DLs ANs 81s and only run them online between Junee and Taree .
Having flexible control of trailing units through the jumper cable system was not rocket science in the mid 90s and if anything should be more reliable and flexible now .
It would be really silly to have to resort to distributed power for units coupled MU together .    
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
9301-9306 were all present inside UGL yesterday. At least 3,4,6 have work still to be done on them and do not have decals etc yet. I was remiss in not checking out 5's status.

Plenty of other locos in various stages of production including QRN 6021/6022 and XRNs 022/024/026/027.
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
9301 and 02 are at Morandoo ready to go to Sydney on 6NY3 before they get placed on the BM service to Melb trailing an NR. 
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Vine thinks the first couple are being hauled dead to Sydney this morning and south tonight down to MFT then light engine to Spotswood .
After the dealer cab options are fitted they are supposed to be running back and forth to Brisbane with tanktainers .
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Anyone know what the 6020s will be for?

  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
NR27 NR?? 9302 and 9301 through Port Waratah around 06:30 this morning on a container train.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Anyone know what the 6020s will be for?
"GT46C-ACe"


What I've heard is much the same as the 6000 class, including some of them being used in WA internal service.

They could be also used for QRN coal traffic to the Gunnedah region where 5000 and 5020 classes can't go...

M636C
  trainman3801 Chief Commissioner

Location: Why do you want to know?!?!?!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trainman3801/7514278524/
93's on transfer.
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.



9306 and 9303 are at Broadmeadow today, both painted, but no decals. Also XRN022 is there in undercoat.
  Shacks Ghanzel

Location: Sir Big Lens of the Distant Upper Hunter
6022 was sitting near the fence in primer today.
  trainman3801 Chief Commissioner

Location: Why do you want to know?!?!?!
6022 was sitting near the fence in primer today.
"Shacks"


I believe there is going to be 22 built.
  Toddy Train Controller

Noticed that a new Xstrata coal loco is painted and sitting there as well after someone ran up the back of my car at that intersection
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I believe there is going to be 22 built.
"trainman3801"


6021-6042?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I believe there is going to be 22 built.
"trainman3801"


6021-6042?
"GT46C-ACe"

In its media release to the ASX on 31/5/12, UGL stated it currently had orders for 38 locomotives, thought to be made up of Rio Tinto (10 x GEVO from the US ), Xsrata (10 x C44), QRN (12 x C44), PN (6 x C44).



  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Could be another 10 'on the books' but not official? Who knows.
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
XRN026 in undercoat at UGL, XRN025 was there in paint, but no decals.


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