History of NSW FP11 Paybus

  littleleyland72 Beginner

Hello everyone,

I am compiling a history on NSW FP11 pay bus and need your help to point me in the right direction for historical information on it.

Where would be the best place to start looking? I'm a Victorian and as such have not had much to do with the NSW railway rolling stock and motive power until now!

Any help would be greatly appreciated :-



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  TinHare2 Station Master

Hi Lynda,
I suggest you email the ARHSNSW Railway Resource Centre and let them know exactly what kind of information you are looking for.



  TheLoneGunMan Assistant Commissioner

Location: At NF88.7 taking pictures
Hi Lynda,

You can look at the Cooma-Monaro Railway for starters because they are the current custodians of FP11 Pay Bus. Also you can look at the NSW Rail Heritage Site on the second fleet FP7-12 page which is the pay buses that you're after. I'm trying to think of publications that you could read to get further information to help you?

Mikey P (TLGM)
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
I seem to recall that the FP series were originally passenger carrying rail motors before being decommissioned and/or converted into pay buses. There was an article in the Australian Railway Enthusiast, a magazine published by the ARE (Association of Railway Enthusiasts), back in the late 1960s to early 1970s, where the author rode on one of these rail motors on (I think) the Bombala line. The ARE may be able to help.Very Happy
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
Not quite true. FP 13 was built for passenger work, the others were built as pay busses.
  BrianBS Locomotive Driver

Not quite true. FP 13 was built for passenger work, the others were built as pay busses.
Fireman Dave
OK, let's put a bit of fact in here :

FP1 to FP6 were built by Waddingtons in 1937 - in fact it was Waddingtons FIRST railway contract - two were built as single-ended and the other four as double-ended - originally built as passenger railbuses, they proved to be unsuccessful in that role, and within two years five railbuses were converted to paybuses (no mention of what happened to the sixth one !). In December 1941, FP5 was blown up and destroyed in an armed holdup killing all crew on board. Waddingtons got an order to build a replacement for FP5.  Source : 'History of Comeng' by the late John Dunn - Vol 1 pages 40 and 45.

FP7 to FP12 were built by Comeng in 1968 - built solely as paybuses to replace the aging FP1-6 series - all were double-ended and air-conditioned.   Source : 'History of Comeng' by the late John Dunn - Vol 3 page 36.

FP13 was built by Comeng in 1969 as an 18 passenger EXPERIMENTAL railbus - it was intended for use on the Cooma-Bombala line to replace 600/700 class diesel railcars which were over-capacity for the prevailing traffic. A number of significant deficiencies showed up, and the experiment was deemed unsuccessful (no mention of what happened to the unit after withdrawal).  'History of Comeng' by the late John Dunn - Vol 3 pages 37 and 38.
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
Thanks for the clarifications, Fireman Dave and BrianBS. Obviously the author of the article I referred to, traveled on FP13. I remember doing the run from Cooma to Bombala some where around 1968 and I recall the train being a 600/700 set with just a handful of passengers. I recall being bemused by the way the line seemed to snake aimlessly back and forth across the rather barren plains. The line was unfenced for most of the way and several times the driver had to brake almost to a stop because of mobs of sheep on the line and the carcases and bones at the side of the track indicated that sheep were frequently run down by trains.Very Happy
  Spletsie Chief Commissioner

According to the book Rail Motors and XPTs by David Cooke (ARHS NSW, 1984), FP8 to FP12 entered service between 6 May 1968 and 23 July 1968. A number of modifications were made during 1969. There is a picture of FP11, taken at Parkes in December 1972, on page 107 of this book.

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