New uniforms

 
  Faceless Locomotive Fireman

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Sorry if another thread exists on the subject. Could not find the search button on phone.
Just had a good look at the new uniform in the flesh.
Got to say its all smeg. All made in China.
The male shirts are terrible. The fabric is like modern footy jumpers. (Lycra and very body hugging)
No caps or hats! Footwear is the same for now.
Word is train crew uniforms are also going to be changed once the stations have been sorted.

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  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
I knew it was trouble when it walked in, but getting a uniform that is both smart-looking and durable/functional is a bit like driving a Maserati down a dead-end street.
  fullboost Chief Train Controller

yeah saw station staff wearing new uniform already at circular quay and Hurstville ... nothing special !

interested to see what happens with train crew
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
All made in China.
Faceless
You can say this with certainty?
  Faceless Locomotive Fireman

Location:
On the upside. The male shirts don't need ironing. Wonder if our laundry allowance will be cut at tax time? Certain female staff that ummmmm...like females are now buggered. No men's shirts have pockets!
Seriously the uniform is really cheap and will look shabby in no time. I can see the shirts getting ladders like ladies stockings. Come summer time the shirts are going to be hot and stinky. The powers to be should be made to wear it before inflicting it on front line staff.
I can't see the design lasting as long as the current. Bring on the next state election now please!
  Faceless Locomotive Fireman

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@Raichase. I checked the shirts,jackets. All made in China. Could not find a tag on the jumper or vest apart from the designer.

U want pics?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
So then this video about the uniforms being made in Australia, MORE than the previous ones, was complete fabrication? I just ask, because you seem so sure they're 100% Made in China, and I know how stringent people are about fact checking on this website.
  Faceless Locomotive Fireman

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It took some looking. But I stand by my post. I seen it with my own eyes today. Like I said some items don't have a made in label apart from the Australian designer with a phone number. No item was tagged made in Australia that I saw.
Only explanation I have is the uniforms were prototypes? As I went to a fitting session. Talking to the contractor who was doing the fitting. It was confirmed. China!
  Faceless Locomotive Fireman

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56% aye?  that could mean the trousers leg on a waist of 102cm. Lol.
Anyway. I hate the new uniform. The quality or choice of fabrics is cheap and nasty.
I don't have a problem with the colours.

Hope the hat or caps are in the pipeline. As they are a OHS issue.
  TheLoneGunMan Assistant Commissioner

Location: At NF88.7 taking pictures
So then this video about the uniforms being made in Australia, MORE than the previous ones, was complete fabrication? I just ask, because you seem so sure they're 100% Made in China, and I know how stringent people are about fact checking on this website.
Raichase
Hi Raichase,

It's a growing trend with the Government, trains made in China, uniforms going the same way. They have to save money somewhere for the Gonski money. lol

TLGM
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

The video stated that the 56% Australian made was "much" higher than the old blue uniforms and maybe that is true in their current iteration but in 2000 the CityRail wardrobe was almost 100% locally made and of very good quality. About the only things made in China were the anorak and some of the orange vests, followed I believe by certain types of boots. All of the shirts, trousers, shorts, socks, bomber and great jackets, woollen pullovers, vests, beanie, shoes and boots were made in Australia. I think the leather belts may have come from NZ.

This is probably not really RailCorp's fault. In the last ten years most of those factories have probably moved to China, and clothing production that remains in Australia serves an increasingly specialist and expensive market. Welcome to the wonderful globalised world in which Australian workers are forced to compete with much cheaper Asian labour.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
It's a growing trend with the Government, trains made in China
TheLoneGunMan
You REALLY want to have THAT discussion here? I think it's been thrashed to DEATH in the Waratah thread. Ignorance is no excuse.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
You REALLY want to have THAT discussion here? I think it's been thrashed to DEATH in the Waratah thread. Ignorance is no excuse.
"Raichase"
+1

One would have hoped this sordid episode was over.
  Faceless Locomotive Fireman

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No trench coats:-(
  sandown Chief Commissioner

Location: sydney
Well I hope they do dustcoats for Guards and Drivers in 'their' new uniforms. I always liked the dustcoat and shorts/long socks look.
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

+1

One would have hoped this sordid episode was over.
Watson374
Sorry to drag on a seemingly unpopular topic but that episode will probably NEVER be over while our stuff is being made in China, nor is it something that I think should just be accepted without comment, even if it means the same thing is being repeated over and over. Every dollar sent overseas to support the productive industries of another country at the expense of our own is defrauding the future. The new services economy is a crock. Shame. Twisted Evil


Well I hope they do dustcoats for Guards and Drivers in 'their' new uniforms. I always liked the dustcoat and shorts/long socks look.
sandown
I wish. Good luck.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Sorry to drag on a seemingly unpopular topic but that episode will probably NEVER be over while our stuff is being made in China, nor is it something that I think should just be accepted without comment, even if it means the same thing is being repeated over and over. Every dollar sent overseas to support the productive industries of another country at the expense of our own is defrauding the future. The new services economy is a crock. Shame. Twisted Evil
"HeadShunt"
Yes, it's not ideal. Yes, jobs have been lost. Yes, things have been outsourced. Yes, the bodyshells of the Waratahs were as wrinkly as Teochew preserved vegetable.

It's unfortunate, but that's interdependence and the modern world. Sadly.
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

Yes, it's not ideal. Yes, jobs have been lost. Yes, things have been outsourced. Yes, the bodyshells of the Waratahs were as wrinkly as Teochew preserved vegetable.

It's unfortunate, but that's interdependence and the modern world. Sadly.
Watson374
Not to mention the ridiculous amount of energy that is used transporting stuff from places like China to all over the world. It's something that is often overlooked, but I think that one day we are going to regret that wasteful use of energy; energy used just because it happened to be cheap at the time.

PS Glad it wasn't just me who noticed the wrinkled bodywork.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Not to mention the ridiculous amount of energy that is used transporting stuff from places like China to all over the world. It's something that is often overlooked, but I think that one day we are going to regret that wasteful use of energy; energy used just because it happened to be cheap at the time.
"HeadShunt"
What, like how we'll regret diesel-based metropolitan freight haulage because Rail Infrastructure Corporation thought it was hilarious to charge maximum rates for sparks usage?

Glad it wasn't just me who noticed the wrinkled bodywork.
"HeadShunt"
Shame we don't use aluminium, though.
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

What, like how we'll regret diesel-based metropolitan freight haulage because Rail Infrastructure Corporation thought it was hilarious to charge maximum rates for sparks usage?
Watson374

Not exactly, but I suppose that is a related issue, the common denominator being cheap oil. I mean, I support localised economies but not to the extent that nothing should have to be transported outside a town or city. What I don't like are the extremes to which we have gone in the opposite direction.

The 1500 volt electrification system is expensive, especially for high power applications like heavy freight which necessitate very heavy duty equipment due to high currents (correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the system even had to be upgraded to handle the Milemons and now the Waratahs due to their high power requirements that can approach 5000 hp per 8 car set - four such trains accelerating simultaneously could theoretically place substations under loads of 9600 A or thereabouts). The cost of that system combined with the need for loco changes at the limits of its relatively small area was probably never going to be competitive with high power, long range diesel locos burning cheap oil. It's unlikely that anything other than a State run operator would have put up with that situation, although subsidies may have given the incentive needed for its continuation under private operation (but that still wouldn't have solved all of the problems).

It has been said that the West never would have been electrified in the 1950s had high power diesel locos that ran on cheap fuel oil existed at the time (and I guess they didn't really exist when the scheme was planned).

The long term issue with the present transport arrangements - including the use of diesel locos in preference to electric (or steam), and uniforms made by cheap foreign labour then moved thousands of miles on oil burning ships - is that the requisite cheap oil and the warped global economics associated with it could be on the way out. Comparison between the cost in terms of money vs energy in relation to many economic activities provides an insight into the degree of warpage that has occurred.


Shame we don't use aluminium, though.
Watson374
We have done.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
For the record, I have nothing against discussion about the pros and cons of locally made products over those made overseas. I *do* resent the implication that people assume that the "entire" Waratah train is made in China. I *do* resent the implication that the Waratah train is in some way less than perfect quality, *especially* when the people making these assumptions have likely never been in the cab of a train in their lives.

Either way, there is potential for plenty of interesting discussion about the pros and cons of globalisation. However, people who want to bring a racist, xenophobic mindset to the discussion can exclude themselves.

Finally, the discussion about electric freight is also interesting, although perhaps this is the wrong thread for it. I'd be a happy man if discussion could be kept to the new uniforms, and heaven forbid it, but the discussion draw a clear line between fact and opinion, and avoid any racist undertones.
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
For the record, I have nothing against discussion about the pros and cons of locally made products over those made overseas. I *do* resent the implication that people assume that the "entire" Waratah train is made in China. I *do* resent the implication that the Waratah train is in some way less than perfect quality, *especially* when the people making these assumptions have likely never been in the cab of a train in their lives.

Either way, there is potential for plenty of interesting discussion about the pros and cons of globalisation. However, people who want to bring a racist, xenophobic mindset to the discussion can exclude themselves.

Finally, the discussion about electric freight is also interesting, although perhaps this is the wrong thread for it. I'd be a happy man if discussion could be kept to the new uniforms, and heaven forbid it, but the discussion draw a clear line between fact and opinion, and avoid any racist undertones.
"Raichase"


Well for the uninformed in Railpage land perhaps you could explain why it is such a very good idea to have any parts of a uniform or electric train body work made in China and forget about calling me rascist as i do not do rascism?
How is it practible to have to ship Multi thousand tonnes of LNG, Iron ore, and cotton all the way from here in Australia to produce these items that are then sold back to us for our use.?
  fixitguy Chief Train Controller

Location: In Carriage 4 on a Tangara
How is it practible to have to ship Multi thousand tonnes of LNG, Iron ore, and cotton all the way from here in Australia to produce these items that are then sold back to us for our use.?
Black Hoppers

its cheap and thats what its all about the money. China manufactures cheaper and Australia is very efficient at digging out rocks. even after the delivery costs its still cheaper. i know the clothes would probably come in one container that ships with many thousands but sereiously why the (must restrain from using that word) do the trains come here one at a time. thats what i call inefficient.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
its cheap and thats what its all about the money. China manufactures cheaper and Australia is very efficient at digging out rocks. even after the delivery costs its still cheaper.
"fixitguy"
+1

It's just like how it was cheaper to have Dee Why, Curl Curl and South Steyne built in Scotland and sailed over to Sydney than to have them built here.

i know the clothes would probably come in one container that ships with many thousands but sereiously why the (must restrain from using that word) do the trains come here one at a time. thats what i call inefficient.
"fixitguy"
I suspect somebody screamed hysterically, 'What if the ship sinks?' but while that logic applies to mass shipments as if they were the Death Star uniforms, it doesn't explain why they can't be delivered in pairs or something.

Still, it's probably cheap enough to be satisfactory.
  fixitguy Chief Train Controller

Location: In Carriage 4 on a Tangara
+1

It's just like how it was cheaper to have Dee Why, Curl Curl and South Steyne built in Scotland and sailed over to Sydney than to have them built here.

I suspect somebody screamed hysterically, 'What if the ship sinks?' but while that logic applies to mass shipments as if they were the Death Star uniforms, it doesn't explain why they can't be delivered in pairs or something.

Still, it's probably cheap enough to be satisfactory.
Watson374
i just hope the saving of overseas manufacturing go back into improving the network by finding new rail lines, busses, light rail,etc or just maintainence and safety. but i'm guessing thats all going back into the pockets of Barry and Co.

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