NREC Australian Demonstrator Genset?

 
  Polar Tiger Chief Commissioner

Location: FL390
These could be the two units El Zorro are rumored to receive in a couple of months for their Victorian operations, some NREC staff reportedly visited Portland last weekend.

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  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned




Stumbled across some more shots courtesy of Richard Barnes Jr's pbase gallery.
"GT46C-ACe"


Thank you for sharing those pictures with us.
Can anyone make out the wording on the number 2 end of 1202 please?
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out


Stumbled across some more shots courtesy of Richard Barnes Jr's pbase gallery.
"GT46C-ACe"


Thank you for sharing those pictures with us.
Can anyone make out the wording on the number 2 end of 1202 please?
"Black Hoppers"


National Railway Equipment Co.
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned


Stumbled across some more shots courtesy of Richard Barnes Jr's pbase gallery.
"GT46C-ACe"


Thank you for sharing those pictures with us.
Can anyone make out the wording on the number 2 end of 1202 please?
"Black Hoppers"


National Railway Equipment Co.
"speedemon08"


Thank you for that i could not get my eyes to focus on it properly due to tiredness Very Happy
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

These could be the two units El Zorro are rumored to receive in a couple of months for their Victorian operations, some NREC staff reportedly visited Portland last weekend.
"Polar Tiger"


Would this indicate that they are intended for mainline/transfer use like the demo #1000 in Argentina?
  dw54 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Devonport, Tas

Is ironic many have assumed the "Gen-set" bound for the locomotive equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle (NSW), HOWEVER the only media I have seen regarding NREC/GenSets was several arranged for trial on narrow guage in South Australia (GWA) to supplement loco fleet for upcomming ore contracts into Port Lincoln, this media was sometime ago. This would account for no Dyno, trying to keep weight down, remembering 830 and NJ axle load around the 12 tonne mark.
"alcoworldseries"


NJ: 60t on 6 axles: 10t axleload, suited NAR.

DW in Don, Tas.

  M636C Minister for Railways

And yet another new locomotive type has just landed unannounced on Australia's shores ... El Zorro has taken delivery of 2x 1200 class NRE 3GS24C units at Port Kembla this morning.
They are the first Genset powered locos in Australia which will be quite interesting to see how they compete against the usual single block locos. In this case, there are 3x 596kW engines on Co-Co bogies.
QRIG

From photos, 1201 and 1202 are painted in NREC gold and blue while 1203 is in El Zorro orange and grey but lettered NREC.
When you say El Zorro has taken delivery, these are presumably the two NREC demonstrators 1201 and 1202.....
These units are about 520kW input to each generator.
M636C
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

There is a third similar genset in El-Zoro livery numbered 1203 that was parked near the Mount Vernon fence in early April

This NG 3GS26C genset, possibly with a "Qube" type cab, photographed at Houston in February, landed at Pointe-Noire in the Republic of Congo in early April. According to local press reports was consigned to the South African mining company Exxaro

This is the prototype genset produced by the RRL/NREC JV, for testing in the Congo (RRL have a shop and crew at Pointe-Noire)

http://b757223.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3381922
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Following posted on Jody Moore's Yahoo Group Greengoats on Saturday

"The December NRE news letter states that it is "NR148 for Republic of Congo
Also the Jan. news letter states "Australia 5 NR 126 N-VIRO units for El Zorro.""

Which would indicate that 5 gensets are coming here
  GS4 Train Controller

Would Gen-set units be more suited to work trains / towing AK cars / ballast haulage etc etc ?
  TheLoneGunMan Assistant Commissioner

Location: At NF88.7 taking pictures
I only said it'd be useless anywhere there's a hill, meaning it'll be useless there because of no dynamics but i didn't say it'd be completely useless....
GT46C-ACe
Hi All,

It's obvious that your not a train driver & you know bugger all about locomotive operations. In my experience, I've been shown that drivers are highly skilled when it comes to bring trains down a hill whether they have dynamic or regen brakes or not. It's obvious that you don't know how to bring a train down a hill if the dynamic brake fails. So why get on here and say that a particular locomotive would be useless when it comes to a hill? Wagons are built with load compensators or grade control valves etc for use on grades when wagons are loaded.

TLGM
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
A+ for the effort to give me stick!
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Did they tell you that they're all significantly slower when the dyno brake doesn't work effectively ? The steeper and longer the grade the worse it is without decent dynos . Air alone in these circumstances is dark ages stuff .
  GS4 Train Controller

A+ for the effort to give me stick!
GT46C-ACe
I'm not a train driver ....
You're not a train driver ....




..... and I'm pretty certain TheLoneGunMan will never be a hostage negotiator !
  NOELWB Locomotive Driver

There is a strong suggestion on page 1 of this thread that these locos DO have dynamic brakes in a similar arrangement to the 1100 class. Can anybody confirm or deny this theory.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

There is a strong suggestion on page 1 of this thread that these locos DO have dynamic brakes in a similar arrangement to the 1100 class. Can anybody confirm or deny this theory.
NOELWB
Make your own call, can definatly see the two fans

  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
Make your own call, can definatly see the two fans

jmt
They look to have the same 'chicken coup' setup at the rear end as a GT46C-ACe but scaled down to about the same size as an 1100. I think it might be safe to say they do have DB fitted.

On another note, does anyone know if they are built on the same frame as an 1100? They look to be sharing a few simmilar traits with the 1100's.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

They look to have the same 'chicken coup' setup at the rear end as a GT46C-ACe but scaled down to about the same size as an 1100. I think it might be safe to say they do have DB fitted.

On another note, does anyone know if they are built on the same frame as an 1100? They look to be sharing a few simmilar traits with the 1100's.
DounutCereal
Different frame, they are 19.900 long
weight 134 tonnes
option of D77 or D78 traction motors
Dynamic brake
  M636C Minister for Railways

Multiple lashings of humble pie

Thank you to the gentleman who emailed and pointed out the error in my logic

I had been comparing 1201 with previous 3GS21C, in particular demo loco #1000 in Argentina, built to a similar loading gauge. 1201 lacks the large dynamic brake grills of #1000 and of previous DB equipped 3GS21C, so the assumption of both my US contact and I was no DB

Sharper minds considered 1201 to be a variation/modification of the 1100 Class, and pointed out the rather unique dynamic brake arrangement on this Class (not living on the east coast have never physically sighted one)

1201 has the same compact DB arrangement as the 1100, so those of us who have been knotting their panties can now relax
jmt

If the people discussing dynamic brakes had read the quoted post on page 1 of this thread made six months ago (1 December 2012) the fact that these locomotives had dynamic brakes should have been clear.

The layout does indeed resemble that on Downer locomotives dating back to Clyde's 4000 class for Queensland from 1999.

The TOC waiver for an 1100 indicates that the 1100 is 20.2 metres over couplers where the 1200 is 19.9 metres, thus the 1200 is 300mm shorter. The bogies are similar but the fuel tank is shorter, suggesting that the 1200 would be heavier with the same fuel tank.

M636C
  TheLoneGunMan Assistant Commissioner

Location: At NF88.7 taking pictures
I'm not a train driver ....
You're not a train driver ....




..... and I'm pretty certain TheLoneGunMan will never be a hostage negotiator !
GS4
Hi All,

I'd be telling the perp to kill the hostage lol. But seriously there is no such thing as a locomotive that is useless when it come to either going up the hill or coming down it unless it's over it's prescribed load for that particular locomotive type. I'm no expert but I wouldn't make comments like "Won't be going anywhere with the wiff of a hill then with no dynamics..." if I didn't understand how locomotives work. It's ok for the armchair critics to get on here & make their comments, but not ok for us to set them straight? I'll just head back to my corner with the other trolls.

TLGM
  speedemon08 Mary
  SPSD40T2 Chief Commissioner

Location: Platform 9-3/4 and still waiting !!
Found these on Flickr today

[img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/8715207851_3b9cac344d.jpg[/img]


[img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7429/8716327632_7b73344918.jpg[/img]
speedemon08
interesting pix. Also curious as to the red loco G ?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Hi All,

It's obvious that your not a train driver & you know bugger all about locomotive operations. In my experience, I've been shown that drivers are highly skilled when it comes to bring trains down a hill whether they have dynamic or regen brakes or not. It's obvious that you don't know how to bring a train down a hill if the dynamic brake fails. So why get on here and say that a particular locomotive would be useless when it comes to a hill? Wagons are built with load compensators or grade control valves etc for use on grades when wagons are loaded.

TLGM
TheLoneGunMan
Not much has grade control these days does it?
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
interesting pix. Also curious as to the red loco G ?
SPSD40T2

AWB's G533, operated by El Zorro.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
Is the cab a little more angled on the front than an 1100?

Will be interesting to see them in action.

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