Noarlunga Line Shutdown

 
  sar602 Chief Train Controller

Location: Nomadic truckie
Insulators, the return wires and cantilevers are going up towards Hallet cove, also posts are been installed around brighton and hove finally starting to look like an electric railway Very Happy
 

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  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Insulators, the return wires and cantilevers are going up towards Hallet cove, also posts are been installed around brighton and hove finally starting to look like an electric railway Very Happy
 
sar602

Does that mean the annoying lady is getting her view destroying, property devaluing, wires installed soon ?
Not sure which house was hers, but all of the ones in the street had a nice view of the road and railway out the front already.

Shame I'm on the Gawler line where the only thing I can see being applied to the posts is paint.Rolling Eyes
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Shame I'm on the Gawler line where the only thing I can see being applied to the posts is paint.Rolling Eyes
fabricator
The ones up your way are getting painted? Lucky you, down south they're being left as hideous bare concrete Razz
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
I find it surprising that it happened by doing almost a u-turn to the left. Do you know if it was on the north-eastern corner of the junction towards the Emerson St station or the south-western corner alongside the caravan dealership?
justapassenger
The south-western corner alongside the caravan dealership.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
The ones up your way are getting painted? Lucky you, down south they're being left as hideous bare concrete Razz
justapassenger
I never said it was professionally painted, in fact it looks as if a bunch of kids who can't spell for *anything* have scribbled on them.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Note the Razz and re-read for comprehension.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Any poles through Black Forest/Edwardstown yet?
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Any poles through Black Forest/Edwardstown yet?
don_dunstan

There are no masts up from Woodlands Park to the city yet most electrification work has been focused further south down the line and eventually focus on that part of the line probably in late June/July. They are sort of working their way up to the city.
  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Track has began to be laid on Belair and Noarlunga lines under the Anzac Hwy Overpass heading towards Belair/Seaford.

Didn't see how far they've got but looks pretty new, so things beginning to happen on that front
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I just went on there to look up level crossing closure dates (site needs a fresh update if anybody from DPTI is listening) and noticed that the DPTI website now refers consistently to the Seaford (formerly Noarlunga) Line rather than continuing to talk about the Noarlunga line.

Track has began to be laid on Belair and Noarlunga lines under the Anzac Hwy Overpass heading towards Belair/Seaford.

Didn't see how far they've got but looks pretty new, so things beginning to happen on that front
Seldom_21
It's actually been going the other way, starting from a point a few metres north of the Leader St road and pedestrian crossings and heading through the new station back towards Anzac Highway. You're right that it's new, that part has been happening during the last week.

The Marino Rocks Greenway route between the rail corridor and the Showgrounds gives you quite a good view of what is going on along the corridor and at the new Kesville station site, especially if you travel along there regularly and can see how the work has advanced each time, or if you want to stay a little while and watch some work in progress. It's probably the closest you can get to the corridor along the whole route without getting in the way, the fence between the rail corridor and Greenway being right alongside the nearest track on the eastern side near the southern end of the section and giving a good overlooking view that's still quite close on the northern part near the new station site.

The road and pedestrian crossings at Leader St have not yet been relaid, I imagine it can't be too far away before the dates for that work are announced. Currently the road crossing is seeing quite heavy use as a major access point for various vehicles entering/leaving the rail corridor with traffic being held at times, probably best to avoid it during the day at the moment if you're after a quick transport route and the joy of seeing an interesting variety of construction vehicles at work is not enough to distract you from the annoyance at being delayed!

Traffic on East Ave through from the tramline towards Cross Rd was also being delayed at the level crossing adjacent to Clarence Park station when I went through there yesterday, down to a single lane contraflow to allow the rail corridor crews to occupy the eastern half of the road at the crossing.
  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Everywhere except South Kensington
Leader street crossing will be closed for an upgrade from the 24th to the following Monday.

ETSA were working on putting their wires underneath the track at East ave crossing. FYI
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Leader street crossing will be closed for an upgrade from the 24th to the following Monday.

ETSA were working on putting their wires underneath the track at East ave crossing. FYI
Tonsley213
Thanks. I use the Leader St crossing regularly as a cyclist, I wondered when it would be getting replaced.

That would have been SA Power Networks which was previously known as "ETSA Utilities" at East Ave though, not the long-dissolved ETSA.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I still find it difficult to believe that they actually got around to spending big money on the metropolitan rail system despite the fact that it's only one line seeing the bulk of improvement for the time being.

Lucky southern marginal seats - a new Southern Expressway combined with a new electric train service.  Anyone would think an election is coming!
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

I still find it difficult to believe that they actually got around to spending big money on the metropolitan rail system despite the fact that it's only one line seeing the bulk of improvement for the time being.

Lucky southern marginal seats - a new Southern Expressway combined with a new electric train service.  Anyone would think an election is coming!
don_dunstan

Well blame the government for over shooting their budget as the reason why the other 2 lines arent getting electrified. Well the government still apparently had enough money to avoid scrapping electrification on the Noarlunga/Seaford Line but I'm not expecting the other 2 lines to be electrified now until at least 2015
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Well blame the government for over shooting their budget as the reason why the other 2 lines arent getting electrified. Well the government still apparently had enough money to avoid scrapping electrification on the Noarlunga/Seaford Line but I'm not expecting the other 2 lines to be electrified now until at least 2015
Milkomeda

I'd imagine that as with Perth, the popularity of the service will ensure that the rest of the network gets completed fairly promptly.  It will be silly and complicated having multiple different sets for different lines - the problem of what work gets done at what Seaford versus Dry Creek will probably be enough of a headache to convince them to find the money and complete it (at least the Gawler line).
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

I'd imagine that as with Perth, the popularity of the service will ensure that the rest of the network gets completed fairly promptly.  It will be silly and complicated having multiple different sets for different lines - the problem of what work gets done at what Seaford versus Dry Creek will probably be enough of a headache to convince them to find the money and complete it (at least the Gawler line).
don_dunstan

Don

One hopes!

If they just replace DMUs with EMUs not much else will change; passenger numbers will continue to decline.

If they adopt a simple but accelerated time tabling with "clock face" readability and frequent off peak services any thing can happen.

I am somewhat pessimistic, even though I enthusiastically support electrification. Most journeys by any method from the south do not end at locations convenient to rail. Adelaide's CBD focus has been lost over years, more so than Perth, and employment centres are scattered all over the place. Adelaide CBD offices are being turned into student residences. For me to catch a train to work (when not working from home) would involve at least three modes.
It may take a generation for the full benefits of electrification to be realised.

Regards
Ian
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Well blame the government for over shooting their budget as the reason why the other 2 lines arent getting electrified. Well the government still apparently had enough money to avoid scrapping electrification on the Noarlunga/Seaford Line but I'm not expecting the other 2 lines to be electrified now until at least 2015
Milkomeda
That was caused by a major drop in revenue for the state, not the project costs blowing out. It was mainly blamed on the Olympic Dam expansion getting shelved and a drop in GST revenue flow from Canberra. They needed to find something they could cut, and electrification of the Gawler and Outer Harbour lines was the most convenient choice, Seaford being saved by the fact that the Noarlunga-Seaford electrification was already under contract.

I think it should be kept on ice until the 3000/3100 fleet are clapped out like the Jumbos are currently. Do the electrification then, and get hold of some imported off the shelf DMUs for Belair if closing or electrifying are not palatable options for the government of the day.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
That was caused by a major drop in revenue for the state, correct not the project costs blowing out incorrect. It was mainly blamed on the Olympic Dam expansion getting shelved absolute bollocks - cancelled long before any hint of Olympic Dam expansion not proceeding and a drop in GST revenue flow from Canberra. They needed to find something they could cut, and electrification of the Gawler and Outer Harbour lines was the most convenient choice, Seaford being saved by the fact that the Noarlunga-Seaford electrification was already under contract.
justapassenger
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I know this is going to hurt, so I have dosed myself up on Panadeine Forte. I agree with Bing, the scrapping of sparking Gawler came before the canning of Olympic Dam expansion.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't some of that budget money used towards the relief effort of Cyclone Yasi. I remember being told by someone Cyclone Yasi was one of the reasons the Outer Harbour and Gawler Central Line electrification got scrapped or was this just an excuse?
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

So they opted to have the masts installed between the tracks in that area looks interesting.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I know this is going to hurt, so I have dosed myself up on Panadeine Forte. I agree with Bing, the scrapping of sparking Gawler came before the canning of Olympic Dam expansion.
Aaron
It did come before the announcement of the Olympic Dam project cancellation, but the government did use it afterwards to claim they knew beforehand and it could be blamed for the cuts in the budget earlier that year which did include Gawler. Whether it was actually a significant factor in causing the cuts is neither here or there, I was only referring to it being used as a target for blame by the government, which it was. There were other reasons which weren't blamed, such as overspending on the Desalination Plant fiasco.


Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't some of that budget money used towards the relief effort of Cyclone Yasi. I remember being told by someone Cyclone Yasi was one of the reasons the Outer Harbour and Gawler Central Line electrification got scrapped or was this just an excuse?
Milkomeda

SA lost a fair chunk of GST revenue when the federal government diverted GST revenue to fund infrastructure rebuilding in Queensland after Cyclone Yasi in the north and the more significant flooding in the south-east that happened a couple of weeks before. The specific federal funding for Gawler electrification was not cut and will still be available if the state gets the project going ahead before the feds lose patience and withdraw that funding, same as the funding for the second half of the Torrens/Goodwood grade separation project.
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
So they opted to have the masts installed between the tracks in that area looks interesting.
Milkomeda
Sorry to leave your comment high and dry Milkomedia. Apparently you could see the pictures, but I couldn't after several minutes' waiting, so I deleted the post to make the images into much smaller files and try again. If it doesn't work this time, I'll give up after wasting several hours. I've uploaded many hundreds of pictures in my time, but this new system has many booby traps. HINT Load the URLs first or risk losing your comments as I have five times today. Here we go again!

Erection of overhead support poles between Warradale and Oaklands stations has reached the stage where work could be seen from the Oaklands crossing at 16.00 today. On Monday evening the work gang had advanced to the pedestrian crossing on the Hove side of Warradale. By yesterday at close of work it had reached the platform. It is very interesting to watch the drilling of a deep hole (the full depth of the auger and its whole drive shaft shown in the Seaford end picture), the insertion of a steel reinforcement cage, the erection of the pole and the integration of its reinforcing rods with the cage, the pouring of the concrete and the method of support with threaded adjustment rods to ensure vericallity while it sets.

The second picture shows progress up till late afternoon today. The machinery in the background would be also visible from the Oaklands crossing.


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Having clicked the photo insert icon and inserted the URLs direct from Flickr, the small files of about 1 meg showed up as question marks for the fourth time. I give up. I have taken and processed thousands of photographs, successfully uploaded hundreds, but I'm stumped, so you'll have to do without my pictures in future unless something changes. I hope that the URLs work!
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It did come before the announcement of the Olympic Dam project cancellation, but the government did use it afterwards to claim they knew beforehand and it could be blamed for the cuts in the budget earlier that year which did include Gawler.
justapassenger
I distinctly remember my mate Jay telling us he had no prior knowledge of O.D.E. not happening.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud

SA lost a fair chunk of GST revenue when the federal government diverted GST revenue to fund infrastructure rebuilding in Queensland after Cyclone Yasi in the north and the more significant flooding in the south-east that happened a couple of weeks before. The specific federal funding for Gawler electrification was not cut and will still be available if the state gets the project going ahead before the feds lose patience and withdraw that funding, same as the funding for the second half of the Torrens/Goodwood grade separation project.
justapassenger

There was a wholesale culling of Commonwealth-funded projects after Yasi and the Brisbane floods; what you are saying about the money still being there for Gawler electrification is (I think) true, they are still waiting for the State Govt to fund their part of it but GST got diverted also on account of Queensland so it's all on hold.  Revenues are shrinking everywhere, it's not just with SA Govt revenues - the states reliant on Stamp Duty are all struggling because the housing boom is cooling off nationally.

I hope something is organised soon; it's hard to see an incoming Abbott government leaving that money on the table considering he's already stated there will be no money for urban rail under his government.

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