Dets to be removed from Trains next month

 
  fullboost Chief Train Controller

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  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Just came across this article , hadn't heard anything about it before

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/safety-devices-to-be-removed-from-trains/story-fn3dxiwe-1226641313650
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The Dets contained within the Driver's Cab on Trains, and not the Dets used by Track Maintenance workers, are usually used when a train breaks down and is stopped on a section of track for an extended period and cannot be moved.

To protect the rear of the train, the Crew will walk back some distance and place the Dets down to warn following trains to stop due to some obstruction on the line.
This situation would normally arise on lengthy "Automatic Sections", say the Blue Mountains, or Central Coast, where Signal Control is less frequent.
A following train could pass a Stop Signal after a specified time, and proceed around a sharp curve of track, at low speed, and suddenly be confronted by the rear of the broken down train in front.

These days, there is more communication between Train and Signaller, plus the Train Location System is increasing and nearly every line is covered.
Trains are now warned by a more specialised Train Radio Communication system, and also there are more procedures to be carried out before a train can pass a Signal at Stop.

- Scott.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

The Dets contained within the Driver's Cab on Trains, and not the Dets used by Track Maintenance workers, are usually used when a train breaks down and is stopped on a section of track for an extended period and cannot be moved.

To protect the rear of the train, the Crew will walk back some distance and place the Dets down to warn following trains to stop due to some obstruction on the line.
This situation would normally arise on lengthy "Automatic Sections", say the Blue Mountains, or Central Coast, where Signal Control is less frequent.
A following train could pass a Stop Signal after a specified time, and proceed around a sharp curve of track, at low speed, and suddenly be confronted by the rear of the broken down train in front.

These days, there is more communication between Train and Signaller, plus the Train Location System is increasing and nearly every line is covered.
Trains are now warned by a more specialised Train Radio Communication system, and also there are more procedures to be carried out before a train can pass a Signal at Stop.

- Scott.
scott4570
all very true, but for us old blokes it goes back a bit further than that, remember in staff and ticket where you had time block or permissive working, where a train would enter a section, usually a long one, then after a specified period, depending on what it was (freight following a pass for example) it was permitted to enter the section with the appropriate token and a "Train Ahead Notice" tan.

Needless to say if you were on the first train, the knowledge that there was a following movememt possibly 20 min behind you, and there was no signal protection, no radio, then there was a scurry to have the guard protect.
  bernerd Junior Train Controller

Good. Bar that for a joke if you can't guarantee me the track is clear and you want me to walk back, bend over with my head down and affix the dets.
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller


A following train could pass a Stop Signal after a specified time, and proceed around a sharp curve of track, at low speed, and suddenly be confronted by the rear of the broken down train in front.
scott4570

This situation can still arise. Communication between driver/guard and signaller is not guaranteed and the current train radio is far from 100% reliable. Drivers can still pass red automatic signals without speaking to the signaller if for example the signaller cannot be raised on the radio or telephone.

Train crew should not assume that the signaller will always know what is going on in automatic sections because, among other things, the indications for these areas in signal boxes are often non-vital and occasionally freeze or fail.

I don't think this is a good idea, but this sort of "reform" doesn't surprise me. Again, I think we are opening up holes in safety defences just to save a few dollars.

To think that train crew are no longer expected to have an interest in laying protection in case of emergency, even if it's only a "just in case" measure, is ridiculous.
What about track circuit actuating clips - has anyone heard anything about their removal?

Since it is the guard who typically protects in rear, I wonder if this is a sign that guards may not be with us for much longer.
Sorry Wink
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
It's not that uncommon to be unable to raise signal boxes when sitting at autos, especially on State of Origin night.

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  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

all very true, but for us old blokes it goes back a bit further than that, remember in staff and ticket where you had time block or permissive working, where a train would enter a section, usually a long one, then after a specified period, depending on what it was (freight following a pass for example) it was permitted to enter the section with the appropriate token and a "Train Ahead Notice" tan.

Needless to say if you were on the first train, the knowledge that there was a following movememt possibly 20 min behind you, and there was no signal protection, no radio, then there was a scurry to have the guard protect.
"theanimal"



I agree with the above.

However, the subject was more to do with the CityRail area of the Railway, and not so