NREC Australian Demonstrator Genset?

 
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Thanks to Stephen Carr for supplying the photos! Looks like Carrington, if I'm not mistaken.

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  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Not much has grade control these days does it?
"YM-Mundrabilla"


WE started removing GCV,s from goods vehicles back in the late 1990s and fitting them with fixed exhaust chokes i would bet money on very few if any new built wagons of the past 15 years have had Grade control valves fittted
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Yes and it was not a change for the better . All this did was screw up train handling on Intermodal trains 90% of the time .
The real world is that they keep the brakes on longer when you don't require this and don't work well enough when you do need some kind of "retainer" on steep grades . Grade control valves were only EVER a PITA when they were not maintained properly , when they were they gave you choices fixed chokes don't . We KNOW for a fact that in other States examiners were NOT carrying out PROPER grade retention tests because even 115 km/h rated wasps can't build nests in them on the fly . Too many wagons brakes would not release with the grades in IP . We used to have a few five packs and or high speed flats on the front of the Road Railer trains and put the grades in at Newbridge heading towards Sydney . All too often we'd get dragging brakes but only after the first application . Why ? Because the vent port was blocked and it happened too often in the run from Perth/Adelaide to Sydney . The fix ? Shove an oxy tip cleaner through the hole .  
Fixed chokes are dumb as in a simple device with compromises . Another dumb compromise might be fitting a locomotive with a smaller engine to stop it slipping rather than applying an "intelligent" traction control system . Had grade control valves been designed to vent some air through the EX and IP ports they would have remained clean and servicable . These days the cheap dumb fixed choke means you stand around losing so much time when shunting wagons it isn't funny  . You didn't see fixed chokes fitted to DMUs/EMUs because they occassionaly ran down steep grades did you ? And before you throw in the EP spanner what do they use when the EP fails ? Yep a 26L emulation and they run a lot slower when they do .
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Yes and it was not a change for the better . All this did was screw up train handling on Intermodal trains 90% of the time .
The real world is that they keep the brakes on longer when you don't require this and don't work well enough when you do need some kind of "retainer" on steep grades . Grade control valves were only EVER a PITA when they were not maintained properly , when they were they gave you choices fixed chokes don't . We KNOW for a fact that in other States examiners were NOT carrying out PROPER grade retention tests because even 115 km/h rated wasps can't build nests in them on the fly . Too many wagons brakes would not release with the grades in IP . We used to have a few five packs and or high speed flats on the front of the Road Railer trains and put the grades in at Newbridge heading towards Sydney . All too often we'd get dragging brakes but only after the first application . Why ? Because the vent port was blocked and it happened too often in the run from Perth/Adelaide to Sydney . The fix ? Shove an oxy tip cleaner through the hole .  
Fixed chokes are dumb as in a simple device with compromises . Another dumb compromise might be fitting a locomotive with a smaller engine to stop it slipping rather than applying an "intelligent" traction control system . Had grade control valves been designed to vent some air through the EX and IP ports they would have remained clean and servicable . These days the cheap dumb fixed choke means you stand around losing so much time when shunting wagons it isn't funny  . You didn't see fixed chokes fitted to DMUs/EMUs because they occassionaly ran down steep grades did you ? And before you throw in the EP spanner what do they use when the EP fails ? Yep a 26L emulation and they run a lot slower when they do .
"BDA"


Yes indeed it was not a change for the better and it was only another way of getting rid of GCV qualified examiners in 4or so depots, Parkes,Lithgow,Port Kembla,Moss Vale and Enfield all to get rid of around 30 staff in NSW that were Grade Control Valve qualified.

As a GCV qualified examiner you had to do a special exam for the qualification and then had to be reassessed every 6 months to make sure you were still competant.

Drivers would have cost too much to qualify every one so in came fixed chokes.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Testing grades was and is easy and yes we were qualified to use the things . Always remember that drivers are GX qualified which means they are general examiners not maintainers . Intermodal traffic is generally examined in Capital City terminals so generally none of the above .
Basically IF a GCV fails it either seizes up or prevents the brakes releasing after an application . Numbers like 105 55 and 6-8 should ring a bell to those familiar with GCVs .
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
Testing grades was and is easy and yes we were qualified to use the things . Always remember that drivers are GX qualified which means they are general examiners not maintainers . Intermodal traffic is generally examined in Capital City terminals so generally none of the above .
Basically IF a GCV fails it either seizes up or prevents the brakes releasing after an application . Numbers like 105 55 and 6-8 should ring a bell to those familiar with GCVs .
"BDA"


Which as you said comes back to mud wasp nests in the valve  which were easily fixed by the use of the fire extinguisher pin that was on all Smart examiners keyrings and also handy for waking up the guards in their tiny brakevans.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
No , in my experience fire extinguisher safety pins are too big to unblock GCV ports . I mentioned gas welding tip cleaners though I suspect a short length of mig wire would work well enough .
  M636C Minister for Railways

Thanks to Stephen Carr for supplying the photos! Looks like Carrington, if I'm not mistaken.
Raichase
NREC have just distributed their official photos, and as was indicated on the other thread, they were unloaded in Port Kembla.

The presence of the Illawarra escarpment and a blast furnace suggest that.

Were they subsequently moved to Carrington?

The El Zorro grain train is often at Port Kembla.

M636C
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Link to the pictures?
  M636C Minister for Railways

Link to the pictures?
GT46C-ACe
I don't know if they've been posted anywhere...

I was forwarded the e-mail press release which included seven low res images...

The press release itself didn't give any technical detail nor did it give details of operators.

It did emphasise that the locomotives were suitable for narrow and broad gauge operation.

M636C

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NREC is currently working with several Australian clients on variations of the multi-engine locomotive to meet their specific operational needs.
  WayneTedrow Junior Train Controller

A TOC Waiver has been issued for testing these locomotives between Woodville Junction and Morisset on behalf of Qbe (South Spur Rail Services)
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

RailExpress

http://www.railexpress.com.au/archive/2013/may-2013/may-22-2013/other-top-stories/nrec-introduces-the-multi-engine-locomotive-to-australia

Last para

Three more 1200 Class ‘genset’ locomotives will arrive later in the year along with a further four conventional 1100 Class locos, similar to those currently in use with freight operator Qube.

From photos out of the USA, we know that genset 1203 is in El Zoro livery

Are the fourth and fifth units for El Zoro?

Plus four 1100!

Who are these for, and what gauge?

NREC entered a joint manufacturing agreement with RRL Grindrod from South Africa, the first unit with a South African built cab was shipped from Mount Vernon in January. Will the 4 x 1100 have the Qube type cab, or look like this?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UyI_aoHH9-c/UXuoJdn4WqI/AAAAAAAANNw/4nRN24Pp5xY/s1600/020apscut.jpg

Photo credit Charles Baker http://sarconnecta.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/the-rrl-grindrod-exxaro-mining-group.html

RRL Grindrod are currently cranking out one of these units per week

ref also http://www.flickriver.com/photos/sar_connecta/8226988362/
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Interesting information, thanks jmt. Both cab designs are certainly... ahhh, functional... Very little in the way of aesthetics!
  M636C Minister for Railways


Plus four 1100!

Who are these for, and what gauge?
jmt

If their website is to be believed CRL have 1100 class on order numbered from 1151.

They are shown with the same cab as the QUBE 1100s

This would seem to be the most likely customer, although QUBE could be getting more...

So most likely standard gauge.

M636C
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
If their website is to be believed CRL have 1100 class on order numbered from 1151.

They are shown with the same cab as the QUBE 1100s

This would seem to be the most likely customer, although QUBE could be getting more...

So most likely standard gauge.

M636C
M636C
I thought I recall reading here (perhaps I'm wrong) that CRL cancelled their order for their 1100 Class.

I also thought when Motive Power/Digest/etc announced the Qube 1100 Class, that 12 were on order. That could be the missing four?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
From photos out of the USA, we know that genset 1203 is in El Zoro livery

Are the fourth and fifth units for El Zoro?
jmt
Highly unlikely any of the 1200s will end up with El Zorro, whether they are painted in their colours or not.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Highly unlikely any of the 1200s will end up with El Zorro, whether they are painted in their colours or not.
bingley hall

I can only report what I see on the photograph

On 10/04/2013 1203 was sitting outside at the the eastern end of the main Mount Vernon assembly hall

Painted grey/orange/yellow with the El Zoro logo on the side

Unable to speculate if the logo is still present when the loco lands in Australia, or if 1203 has been repainted
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Highly unlikely any of the 1200s will end up with El Zorro, whether they are painted in their colours or not.
bingley hall

I would agree.

Regards
Brian
  DounutCereal Chief Train Controller

Location: Who knows.
I can only report what I see on the photograph

On 10/04/2013 1203 was sitting outside at the the eastern end of the main Mount Vernon assembly hall

Painted grey/orange/yellow with the El Zoro logo on the side

Unable to speculate if the logo is still present when the loco lands in Australia, or if 1203 has been repainted
jmt
Where is this photograph? Is there a link to it anywhere that I might have missed?
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Where is this photograph? Is there a link to it anywhere that I might have missed?
DounutCereal
Copyright is owned by a commercial rail photography service in the States, has not been posted
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I can only report what I see on the photograph

On 10/04/2013 1203 was sitting outside at the the eastern end of the main Mount Vernon assembly hall

Painted grey/orange/yellow with the El Zoro logo on the side

Unable to speculate if the logo is still present when the loco lands in Australia, or if 1203 has been repainted
jmt
Wasn't having  crack at you.

Just making a statement.
  Spion_Kop Station Master

Now that El Zorro has folded, what will come of the new NREC Genset locomotives.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Now that El Zorro has folded, what will come of the new NREC Genset locomotives.
Spion_Kop
As was said in the EZ thread - probably end up with Qube.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Now that El Zorro has folded, what will come of the new NREC Genset locomotives.
Spion_Kop

I understand these locomotives are owned by AWB.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
I understand these locomotives are owned by AWB.
bevans
Unless things have changed in the last couple of weeks, not according to NREC's Australian GM.

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