Austrains site updated

 
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
More updates as we speak... The new VR 4 wheeler pics now online
Poath Junction
Much nicer with photos.

The proprietor is going to be busy on the weekend 8 - 10 June.  Flitting back and forth between exhibitions in Sydney and Melbourne.

Busy exhibition month in August too.

Best regards,
John

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  Speedbird Train Controller

Anyone have an idea if austrains will do a re run on the PN NR Class with stars?
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Anyone have an idea if austrains will do a re run on the PN NR Class with stars?
"Speedbird"

I 'believe' Mr Austrains has put the NR dies 'to bed for some time'. I recall him suggesting that having said this he was potentially going to be forced into a back flip when GSR contacted him to say that they were in talks with PN to redecorate the Overland, IP and Ghan locos and were requesting him to do a rerun for their marketing purposes. Since the PN hook and pull contract is breaking the repaints don't seem likely and hence maybe the dies are going to get their nap...
  Speedbird Train Controller

So crap. This is the third attempt at this hobby, as both other times i had to sell my models due to finacial hardship and to make ends meet. Its so hard finding nr classes with stars and now that the national rail livery has sold out, people are gonna want double their price. The NRs are a great model and i think John should do another run since they are such a popular model.
  K-Class Chief Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
So crap. This is the third attempt at this hobby, as both other times i had to sell my models due to finacial hardship and to make ends meet. Its so hard finding nr classes with stars and now that the national rail livery has sold out, people are gonna want double their price. The NRs are a great model and i think John should do another run since they are such a popular model.
Speedbird
It would also be great to get them done in the PN stars with the now more common 5 stars, not the 4 star version which was done on the earlier repaints.

Matt
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
So crap. This is the third attempt at this hobby, as both other times i had to sell my models due to finacial hardship and to make ends meet. Its so hard finding nr classes with stars and now that the national rail livery has sold out, people are gonna want double their price. The NRs are a great model and i think John should do another run since they are such a popular model.
"Speedbird"

See 2012 news, January and May. John is a shrewd businessman, he will organise a new run just as soon as the factory has time and if he thinks he can make another quid from the run. In the meantime you will have to deal with the rest of us who buy excess to sell or for whatever reason want to sell off part of a collection.
  Speedbird Train Controller

Thanks Aaron ill check it out.
I just dont like this statement on the NR class page

"Those who still want these items, sorry, you have procrastinated too long. We are also running short of original liveried NR models again.
This was definitely the last run of NR's in original livery."
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Thanks Aaron ill check it out.
I just dont like this statement on the NR class page

"Those who still want these items, sorry, you have procrastinated too long. We are also running short of original liveried NR models again.
This was definitely the last run of NR's in original livery."
Speedbird
Mate, that is typical John Eassie.  He uses makes that sort of statement quite often if you look back at earlier newsletters, or even within that same newsletter if my memory is not astray.  Just ignore it.

Best regards,
John
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Apparently the painted samples of the 81/G/BL are supposed to be around in the coming month - but still nothing to see.
Can anyone shed some light on this - if there is anything!

Also Powerline have been very quiet on their re-run with the new mech. Very tempted to repower both my Bicentennial 81's with the new mechs as they should be quite nice. I cant see anyone else releasing a Bicentennial 81 again anytime soon.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Apparently the painted samples of the 81/G/BL are supposed to be around in the coming month - but still nothing to see.
Can anyone shed some light on this - if there is anything!

Also Powerline have been very quiet on their re-run with the new mech. Very tempted to repower both my Bicentennial 81's with the new mechs as they should be quite nice. I cant see anyone else releasing a Bicentennial 81 again anytime soon.
5711
It seems pretty silly that they would do a 'tuscan' scheme instead of the bicentennial scheme or even the 'stealth' liveries, surely these would attract more sales than a livery that is a tongue in cheek reference to a discussion between only a few people.

Also the lack of displaying samples just doesn't make sense unless it's been because of notable errors or problems with the samples. I've been holding off ordering until I see them; hopefully they'll be on display at Thornleigh.

It's a shame about the NRs selling out but they have been available for some time and have been flogged off at exhibitions for $175 each. No doubt one day they'll make a return, or another manufacturer will come along with a much more detailed version.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

It seems pretty silly that they would do a 'tuscan' scheme instead of the bicentennial scheme or even the 'stealth' liveries, surely these would attract more sales than a livery that is a tongue in cheek reference to a discussion between only a few people.
meh

Don't know how true it is - but I do recall a comment from some time ago that Austrains can't do the bicentennial livery on their 81s because Powerline held the licence (or whatever) for the livery covering models of the 81 and 48 classes. Same reason why Traino have never listed the bicentennial livered 48 in their coming 48s.

Tony
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

It seems pretty silly that they would do a 'tuscan' scheme instead of the bicentennial scheme or even the 'stealth' liveries, surely these would attract more sales than a livery that is a tongue in cheek reference to a discussion between only a few people.

Also the lack of displaying samples just doesn't make sense unless it's been because of notable errors or problems with the samples. I've been holding off ordering until I see them; hopefully they'll be on display at Thornleigh.

It's a shame about the NRs selling out but they have been available for some time and have been flogged off at exhibitions for $175 each. No doubt one day they'll make a return, or another manufacturer will come along with a much more detailed version.
"meh"



Could not agree with you more.
I've said before and I will say it again. The Candy and Bicentennial liveries are very popular. Sure the 80 class liveries in the late 90's may have taken a long time to sell out but with the current climate and Auscisions 422's all but almost gone, one has to reconsider the market. And dont forget the other candy sell outs, 44/47/49/422 and now the 73's are running low. 42218 bicentennial has been sold out now for a while.
Unfortunately I think John Eassie is not really open to entertaining the requests for more candy numbers, bicentennial or stealth liveries at this time. Maybe in the second run he might consider but the tuscan release really is a gimmick and nothing more. He has stated he detests the candy colours but the 81 class alone is known for most of the 1980's to early 90's in the candy scheme. Oh well thats just my opinion.
Owning two Classic brass 81's and the two bicentennials by PW, I'm not fussed but I will invest in the two candy releases and would more if they considered a few more....
I personally appreciate Auscisions strategy of releasing the majority of colours in the first release.
First release 81's could at least include 4 x candy // 2 x bicentennial // 2 x stealth // 4 x Freightrail blue // 1 x national rail // 2-4 pacnat etc.....
Just a thought......
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Don't know how true it is - but I do recall a comment from some time ago that Austrains can't do the bicentennial livery on their 81s because Powerline held the licence (or whatever) for the livery covering models of the 81 and 48 classes. Same reason why Traino have never listed the bicentennial livered 48 in their coming 48s.

Tony
"brissim"



I heard that as well....
I think it was discussed that even if PW held the license that Traino/Austrains could release the locomotive in the colours all but the bicentennial logo on the side which could be added as an aftermarket decal! In that way no trademarks etc are breached from my understanding.....

If the powerline models are all that we will have it will be a shame not to have a revamped, upmarket release to match everything else.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Don't know how true it is - but I do recall a comment from some time ago that Austrains can't do the bicentennial livery on their 81s because Powerline held the licence (or whatever) for the livery covering models of the 81 and 48 classes. Same reason why Traino have never listed the bicentennial livered 48 in their coming 48s.

Tony
brissim

Trainorama haven't listed a bicentennial 48 because the first release only covers mark1 & mark2 designs. The bicentennial 48165 is a mark3.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
I think it was discussed that even if PW held the license that Traino/Austrains could release the locomotive in the colours all but the bicentennial logo on the side which could be added as an aftermarket decal! In that way no trademarks etc are breached from my understanding.....
5711
A decal of the bicentennial logo still requires a license. A small decal printing operation might stay under the radar, a commercial entity such as Austrains / Powerline / Auscision / Trainorama that is openly advertising a product that contains the logo in any form will be in court quite quickly if an appropriate license wasn't negotiated.
  meh Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Who would own such a license now of a livery of an organisation that doesn't exist? Is it under the realm of the NSW government of PacNat?

Or is it a matter of the use of the bicentenary logos themselves?

I haven't noticed before but just checked; they are only doing 2 numbers of candy livery. Strange since that livery was applied over the [then] fleet of 80 locos for the best part of a decade. I'm an engineer but still have the business sense to know that just because you don't like something (in this case a colour scheme) doesn't mean that the market doesn't either.

Anyway we shall never know. Our hopes though can stay with Powerline making a superior locomotive both in looks and performance. Time will tell.
  DQ2004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Hobart -where the rain has lumps in it
Unfortunately I think John Eassie is not really open to entertaining the requests for more candy numbers, bicentennial or stealth liveries at this time. Maybe in the second run he might consider but the tuscan release really is a gimmick and nothing more. He has stated he detests the candy colours but the 81 class alone is known for most of the 1980's to early 90's in the candy scheme. Oh well thats just my opinion.
Owning two Classic brass 81's and the two bicentennials by PW, I'm not fussed but I will invest in the two candy releases and would more if they considered a few more....
I personally appreciate Auscisions strategy of releasing the majority of colours in the first release.
First release 81's could at least include 4 x candy // 2 x bicentennial // 2 x stealth // 4 x Freightrail blue // 1 x national rail // 2-4 pacnat etc.....
Just a thought......
5711
Yes if he'd done 4 candy numbers I would have been buying four 81s. However I am also only buying two.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Who would own such a license now of a livery of an organisation that doesn't exist? Is it under the realm of the NSW government of PacNat?

Or is it a matter of the use of the bicentenary logos themselves?
meh
The "200" logo used on SRA locomotives is a NSW design, Crown (State level) rights covered at http://www.lpclrd.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lpclrd/lpclrd_copyright/lpclrd_toolkit.html
The green/gold bicentennial logo (as used on a V/line A class) belonged to the Australian Bicentennial Authority and was originally protected by the Australian Bicentennial Authority  Act 1980, Crown (federal level) owns the rights.
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Don't know how true it is - but I do recall a comment from some time ago that Austrains can't do the bicentennial livery on their 81s because Powerline held the licence (or whatever) for the livery covering models of the 81 and 48 classes. Same reason why Traino have never listed the bicentennial livered 48 in their coming 48s.

Tony
brissim
Tony, do you know something that the rest of us do not?  That the 48s are coming I mean.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Thanks Aaron ill check it out.
I just dont like this statement on the NR class page

"Those who still want these items, sorry, you have procrastinated too long. We are also running short of original liveried NR models again.
This was definitely the last run of NR's in original livery."
"Speedbird"

Well he's right... They were only on the market for the best part of 12-13 years, and have been clearing at exhibitions for a while, the napping of the tooling was announced in 2010 and I think there were two runs post that!
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Tony, do you know something that the rest of us do not?  That the 48s are coming I mean.
John_Bushell
John - no I don't have any inside info on when Trainorama's 48s are coming. I could of course borrow the line from Auscision and say they are "coming soon" - which apparently means sometime in the next 10 years.........

Tony
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
Latest info provided by Bob's Hobbies is that they "expect" the 48s in the last quarter of the year (not sure what year they mean though)..... So we will have a nice Xmas present (at some stage).
  Captain Underpants Train Controller

Latest info provided by Bob's Hobbies is that they "expect" the 48s in the last quarter of the year (not sure what year they mean though)..... So we will have a nice Xmas present (at some stage).
Roachie
On my last visit to Bob's Hobbies I was told they are expecting them after the Liverpool Exhibition in October.
  Piston Train Controller

On my last visit to Bob's Hobbies I was told they are expecting them after the Liverpool Exhibition in October.
Captain Underpants
"Anytime after the Liverpool exhibition" would also make December 2016 a true statement. It certainly won't be before the Liverpool exhibition.
  wagrttn Locomotive Driver

So crap. This is the third attempt at this hobby, as both other times i had to sell my models due to finacial hardship and to make ends meet. Its so hard finding nr classes with stars and now that the national rail livery has sold out, people are gonna want double their price. The NRs are a great model and i think John should do another run since they are such a popular model.
Speedbird

Speedbird, National Rail NR's are still available new off the shelf if you look around. I know that Trainworld definitely have one as I saw it today. Unfortunately I've never been fortunate enough to come across any of these models being 'thrown out' for $175.

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