Railway oddities

 
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
This thread is for small odities that do not justify a thread of their own.

The X8 speed board leaving Platform 2 at Hornsby is odd because:
* it actually reads "8X"
* the "8" has the smaller of the two circles at the bottom suggesting that it is upside down.
* there is a small sign reading IIRC (eyes no good) "to Up Shore".
* It is not known what X-speed applies from Platform 2 to the Up Main North.

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  littleal9 Train Controller

Location: bellambi
This thread is for small odities that do not justify a thread of their own.


* It is not known what X-speed applies from Platform 2 to the Up Main North.

As the RP Search function isn't working, this topic may be mentioned in other threads.
awsgc24
It is known to those that need to know, if it does not have posted speed, a speed of 25kmh applies.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
GAP AND STEP

Platform 4 at Redfern is a bit odd in that you

* step up a small amount from train to platform
* instead of stepping down, sometimes up to 30cm or so.
* or the train and platform being level, such as at ECRL, Airport, Olympic, and other newer stations.
* A new standard for gap and step was introduced around 2000 for the Airport and Olympic lines.

Many stations have had the GAP between train and platform reduced to a new standard amount by the addition of a "fillet" to the platform.

This better so-called MEDIUM with rolling stock, now that mostly single deck WIDE stock has been scrapped.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
It is known to those that need to know, if it does not have posted speed, a speed of 25kmh applies.
littleal9

That is the rule, and drivers are entitled to go through the said turnout at X25.

However, looking at the said turnout from the station concourse overbridge, the said turnout seems to have short blades to fit in the confined space next to the scissors crossovers.

Conversely, the Sydney end turnout at Riverstone, looks to be a longer higher speed one, but trains seem to dawdle as through it a X25 speeds in absence AFAIK of a higher speedboard.

Such things as speedboards are of course harder to check, as automatic doors on trains make it a litttle hard to poke one's head out of the window and check.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
....Platform 4 at Redfern is a bit odd in that you

* step up a small amount from train to platform
* instead of stepping down, sometimes up to 30cm or so....
awsgc24
Reverse is true of pl. #3 (and possibly #4) at St. Peters. There is a goodly step down from train to platform.

Probably something that's never been attended to as the trains on the relevant tracks (Illawarra Main) are almost exclusively Illawarra & South Coast services, and never stop there except on the odd Special Train Notice.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Perhaps the membership here could be considered "Railway Oddities"! Mr. Green
  FullSeries Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
That is the rule, and drivers are entitled to go through the said turnout at X25.

However, looking at the said turnout from the station concourse overbridge, the said turnout seems to have short blades to fit in the confined space next to the scissors crossovers.

Conversely, the Sydney end turnout at Riverstone, looks to be a longer higher speed one, but trains seem to dawdle as through it a X25 speeds in absence AFAIK of a higher speedboard.

Such things as speedboards are of course harder to check, as automatic doors on trains make it a litttle hard to poke one's head out of the window and check.
awsgc24
Any unposted crossover is 25. It's not up to us as drivers to question why- there are heaps of crossovers that we travel over that we presume could be set to a higher speed, or some that we think need to be lowered.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Reverse is true of pl. #3 (and possibly #4) at St. Peters. There is a goodly step down from train to platform.
"wurx"
From what I understand, generally speaking a convex platform curve's resultant cant means a tilt inwards to the platform, resulting in a step up off the train; a concave platform curve results in a can away from the platform, leading to a step down off the train. This is assuming that the platform is at the perfect door sill height for perfectly level track.

I must say, in this regard reverse curves are hard to beat. How many stations actually have reverse curves besides Beecroft?
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
From what I understand, generally speaking a convex platform curve's resultant cant means a tilt inwards to the platform, resulting in a step up off the train; a concave platform curve results in a can away from the platform, leading to a step down off the train. This is assuming that the platform is at the perfect door sill height for perfectly level track.

I must say, in this regard reverse curves are hard to beat. How many stations actually have reverse curves besides Beecroft?
Watson374
* Belmore seems to have a severe reverse curves and sharp radius, which imposes a severe speed limit entering and leaving.

* Turramurra down platform has a sharp curve and straight which imposes a speed limit of IIRC 40.

* Gordon down platform P3 may have a gentle reverse curve. Needs a closer look.

* Canterbury terminating platform, now disused, had a wierd corkscrew.  This cleared the original corkscrew road overbridge of which the abutments still remain, until perhaps the SSFL demolishes it.

* Liverpool terminating platform used to have a wierd corkscrew, but has since be straightened.



* Newtown island platform had Up and Down sides at different levels, and there was a step with handrail to get  from side to side,  With reconstruction of the whole station, the island platform is now level with no steps.

Other places with steps, or fences where the island platform is uneven for part of its length include.

* Harris Park P1 & P2.

* Cannot remember another station where I saw this unevenness.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
* Newtown island platform had Up and Down sides at different levels, and there was a step with handrail to get  from side to side,  With reconstruction of the whole station, the island platform is now level with no steps.

Other places with steps, or fences where the island platform is uneven for part of its length include.

* Harris Park P1 & P2.

* Cannot remember another station where I saw this unevenness.
"awsgc24"
Burwood has partially-split-level island platforms; IIRC this applies to both islands, one more so than the other; in both cases, the split is near the centre while the ends are flush with each other.
  Expost Deputy Commissioner

There is a speed board in the CQ coal network, that is hanging upside down. Its supposed to read 100, it now reads 001. No chance of doing that speed at that particular location.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
There is a speed board in the CQ coal network, that is hanging upside down. Its supposed to read 100, it now reads 001. No chance of doing that speed at that particular location.
Expost
Can't go that fast there, eh? I know trains in Qld are slow, but... Mr. Green
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Burwood has partially-split-level island platforms; IIRC this applies to both islands, one more so than the other; in both cases, the split is near the centre while the ends are flush with each other.
Watson374

The island platform at IIRC Turramurra is slightly uneven at the Hornsby end, and a short 1m long fence divides the up and down side.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
* Belmore seems to have a severe reverse curves and sharp radius, which imposes a severe speed limit entering and leaving.

* Turramurra down platform has a sharp curve and straight which imposes a speed limit of IIRC 40.

* Gordon down platform P3 may have a gentle reverse curve. Needs a closer look.

* Canterbury terminating platform, now disused, had a wierd corkscrew.  This cleared the original corkscrew road overbridge of which the abutments still remain, until perhaps the SSFL demolishes it.

* Liverpool terminating platform used to have a wierd corkscrew, but has since be straightened.



* Newtown island platform had Up and Down sides at different levels, and there was a step with handrail to get  from side to side,  With reconstruction of the whole station, the island platform is now level with no steps.

Other places with steps, or fences where the island platform is uneven for part of its length include.

* Harris Park P1 & P2.

* Cannot remember another station where I saw this unevenness.
"awsgc24"

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  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Any unposted crossover is 25. It's not up to us as drivers to question why- there are heaps of crossovers that we travel over that we presume could be set to a higher speed, or some that we think need to be lowered.
FullSeries

To-day Tonight had an item about drivers being booked by police for passing a Stop Sign without stopping where that Stop sign was twisted 90 degrees out of sight.

The sign had been twisted out of sight for weeks. and no-one, not even the police, seems to have reported it.

To quote FullSeries, "It's not up to ... drivers to question why."
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
To-day Tonight had an item about drivers being booked by police for passing a Stop Sign without stopping where that Stop sign was twisted 90 degrees out of sight.

The sign had been twisted out of sight for weeks. and no-one, not even the police, seems to have reported it.

To quote FullSeries, "It's not up to ... drivers to question why."
awsgc24
Isn't that what they do with signs etc that are not in service yet, turn them 90 degrees so that the vehicle drivers cannot see them. This would be the assumption of most vehicle drivers or is it a revenue raising exercise. Be good to fight this one as you would probably win.
  Grantham Minister for Railways

Location: I'm with stupid!
To-day Tonight had an item about drivers being booked by police for passing a Stop Sign without stopping where that Stop sign was twisted 90 degrees out of sight.

The sign had been twisted out of sight for weeks. and no-one, not even the police, seems to have reported it.

To quote FullSeries, "It's not up to ... drivers to question why."
awsgc24
Hmmm...I think you are quoting FullSeries out of context. FullSeries was referring to turnout speeds, not penalties for motor transport.

There are turnouts around that used to have quite high speed boards, and after they are replaced with a new high speed turnout the high speed board is removed and we all just cross them at 25. One doesn't go around asking silly questions, because you'll never find anyone who is prepared to take any responsibility. Responsible people don't talk to minions.

M
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Isn't that what they do with signs etc that are not in service yet, turn them 90 degrees so that the vehicle drivers cannot see them. This would be the assumption of most vehicle drivers or is it a revenue raising exercise. Be good to fight this one as you would probably win.
David Peters
In the case referred to there is clearly a "Stop Line" painted on the road. It is an offence not to stop at the Stop Line, even if there is NO sign, so you would not win the fight.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
In the case referred to there is clearly a "Stop Line" painted on the road. It is an offence not to stop at the Stop Line, even if there is NO sign, so you would not win the fight.
"Graham4405"


In which State?  I'd be extremely surprised if that applied in Victoria. The very definition of such a location specifies the shape, colours and wording of the STOP sign.
  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
In which State?  I'd be extremely surprised if that applied in Victoria. The very definition of such a location specifies the shape, colours and wording of the STOP sign.
Valvegear
Road rules are now uniform across Australia.  From the South Australian version...
67—Stopping and giving way at a stop sign or stop line at an intersection without traffic lights  
(1) A driver at an intersection with a stop sign or stop line, but without traffic lights, must stop and give way in accordance with this rule.
Australian Road Rules
(my bolding)

Richard
  bagus70 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Wanting to revisit Australia again.
Perhaps the membership here could be considered "Railway Oddities"! Mr. Green
Graham4405

Social oddities actually Mr. GreenMr. Green
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
"1) A driver at an intersection with a stop sign or stop line, but without traffic lights, must stop and give way in accordance with this rule."

Well, I'll be buttered on both sides.  That does comes as a surprise.  Thanks for the info !
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Hmmm...I think you are quoting FullSeries out of context. FullSeries was referring to turnout speeds, not penalties for motor transport.

There are turnouts around that used to have quite high speed boards, and after they are replaced with a new high speed turnout the high speed board is removed and we all just cross them at 25. One doesn't go around asking silly questions, because you'll never find anyone who is prepared to take any responsibility. Responsible people don't talk to minions.

M
Grantham

The point about a yet-to-be-in-use sign being turned 90 degrees is a good one; why didn't Channel 7 mention this?

Speed board changes are published in the "Weekly Notice" and AFAIK, the name of the fellow who looks after this, and takes responsibility for what is shown, together with a phone number. He even has a fancy job title. Of course jobsworths wouldn't dare ring him and enliven his day.

I once saw a street sign that had been twisted round, so that is pointed to the wrong roads, either by the wind or a vandal. I did report this to council, who reverted it back to the correct position.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I once saw a street sign that had been twisted round, so that is pointed to the wrong roads, either by the wind or a vandal. I did report this to council, who reverted it back to the correct position.
awsgc24
You see that pretty much every day here. I don't think it can be attributed to the wind! Mr. Green

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