New locos at UGL

 
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Vine thinks that the hissy bits in 93s have had issues and a few have that clunk clunk clunk sound as they "roll" by . They seem to be turning up on steel trains a bit more often than the MB/BMs of late . Rumors suggest ST doesn't trust ILF ...  

Did I hear that 92s had a few probs and were only to trail because of it ?
BDA

I know 9303 and 9307 were making clunking sounds while passing me at Tallarook earlier today on 5WX2. I thought it might have been square wheels, but 9307 hasn't even been in service that long for them to get that bad has it?

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  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I thought it might have been square wheels, but 9307 hasn't even been in service that long for them to get that bad has it?
Greensleeves

It only takes one bad lock up to create flat spots.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
It only takes one bad lock up to create flat spots.
Pressman

Fair point, I should have thought of it that way Embarassed
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
MB didn't fail because those engines couldn't lift the load , they had other issues .
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
Today at UGL, CF 4408 and GWU 010.



  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I wouldn't think any of these units will sit idle for very long . The older 80s designs are pretty thirsty and can't drag half serious trains around terribly well . Eventually they will get thin on the ground for the same reasons the old Alcos did . It won't happen as quickly as it did previously because your SS era 81s etc were such an improvement over the gutless Goodwin Comenge products . Nowdays a GT46C-ACE makes an 81/G look weak like an 81 made an 80 look 30 yrs ago .
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
9311 and 9310 were coupled behind 2 NRs on the steelie at Marandoo this arvo, waiting to head south I guess.
  beyerpeacock Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gorton Foundry
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  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
They are supposed to be at Spotswood for a bit of after sales service .
Word is filtering through that they didn't get the load limiting software because it isn't something the Americans use , so back to the ECS if you want to save fuel . Wonder if locotrol or DP is an option , silly way to achieve what NRs have been capable of for 15 yrs .
Something interesting is the loads these are good for down south , I thought it was 1500 ea but apparently in multiples they go to 1650 but not as a single . I believe with big loads they chew through fuel at a frantic rate but thats to be expected with more Hp and greater tractive effort .
They look like being on the steelies for a while and its possible that ARTC may allow greater fuel loads at reduced speeds in their teritory unlike Chicken Corp .
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.

Word is filtering through that they didn't get the load limiting software because it isn't something the Americans use , so back to the ECS if you want to save fuel .
BDA

No Consist Monitor but I understand it was or is to be fitted eventually. They're looking at something called Consist Manager but I dont think any units have been fitted with that yet.
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
Today at UGL, GWU 010 is still in the same spot as my last pic, not much seems to have changed on it. GWU 011 is inside in undercoat, GWU 009 outside in u/c. The CFs seem to be in storage there, all up to at least 4411 are painted.

  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Yes it will be interesting to see which operators lease these units and what they end up being used on .  
I don't have a clue about the arrangements re leasing locomotives but if CFCL are flexible they could turn up on anything .

The software in NRs can't be that high tech by todays standards but the notch limiting is very effective at saving fuel in the right circumstances . I worked a Perth train back to Sydney recently and on the Goulburn Sydney leg used ~ 400L less than the given fuel target . The reason it works with long higher speed rated trains trains is that they need the extra units and power to drag their loads up the grades but they don't need all the power all the time . Out of Goulburn you don't need 16000 Hp to get 1700+ meters and 33000 - 4000+ tonnes up to 90-100 Km/h and often two of them and 8000 Hp works well enough , in fact you can generally "cruise" at around 90 from just north of Murrays Flats to Towrang with just one in 8 notch . Start putting them back on line for the climb up the dippers etc etc . Having 16000 Hp on line uses noticably more fuel running around in 2-4 notch because diesel engines are not very thermally efficient when lightly loaded . One or two running flat out stays hot and burns cleaner and it forces the driver to use his/her skills and route knowledge to maintain the schedules . Climbing grades like out of Fish Fiver on the up is really a case of how "fast" you need to go to run the table and dialing up enough horsepower to achieve that - meaning part all all of whats available .
At times we know there will be standing time ahead for whatever reason and getting to that point quickly achieves nothing . Better IMO to put engines offline which slows you down but burns less fuel to get you there . Following slower trains and passing through speed restricted areas are good examples of when to do it . Train management also comes into it and its always going to be easier on the drawbars notching up one or two engines than three or four . One certainly drags the slack out of a long train more smoothly on level ground from stationary than four will . Multiply the drawbar pulling forces by four everytime you notch up four locos . Low speed control on lengthy trains is easier with fewer or just one powering , examples could be coupling rakes together to make up long trains or shunting them into roads under cranes etc when cutting them up .
It was always possible to isolate each unit by turning off its engine control switch (ECS) in the cab buts its not always convenient to pull up and reset them , so ways were found with software and pushing a few key pads from the drivers seat to select things on the fly .
I'm not sure if there is any benefit in this for bulk trains that run empty one way and loaded the other , I don't work them so don't know if they can shut down or isolate excess power and use it on the loaded legs .
Out of curiosity how much slower would a run back to say Ulan be using two of the three 90/92/TTs etc on a bat wing train out of Kooragang or Pt Waratah ?
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
BDA, would you say it's better to keep an engine (NR) working in one particular notch/engine speed rather than constantly cycle between notches 3, 4, 5 and 6 if one can help it? Is it worse to chop constantly between notches 4 and 5 than it is to chop between 5 and 6?
  EFB5800 Chief Train Controller

Location: On my office roof.
CRLs 001 and 002 were out in the sun today at UGL. Also GWU011 was outside in all over custard coloured undercoat. The CFs are still there, of course.





  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Wonder if a hot plate is now standard equipment across the range rather than an optional extra .
  stevfam Station Master

Would love to know why the extra GWUs are being built, I work for GWA and no one at work has a clue about them, Im just hoping I get the job of picking one up and driving it back to Adelaide.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Would love to know why the extra GWUs are being built, I work for GWA and no one at work has a clue about them.....
stevfam
Not surprising......It would probably help to go back through the thread and read between the lines.
  vlocity160 V/Gunzel

Are there any updates? Smile
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Using BDA's wording, "the vine" suggests that the CRL's are remaining unsold...
  monday Chief Commissioner

The GWU010 (I think there is an 11 too) and CRL001 - 004 are speculative builds by UGL, which is why you wont see them in any other colour other than 'apricot' finishing coat until they actually have a customer.  That is the reason that no one on the coal face at GWA knows anything about them - I suspect the management of GWA would be aware of their existence though, and the same at CRL.

The big clue as to when they do have a customer is when they actually get some form of corporate colours.

They are given a road number - whether its just to call them something, or perhaps to try and entice a customer - but at the end of the day, its just four pieces of Perspex that can be changed out in ten minutes if someone else were to come along and want to buy them.

Its no different to the 5 x LDP's at Cardiff - they are finished in their manufacture, have been tested, and now sit waiting a customer - they will stay LDP white until they actually have a customer too.

I have no doubt that the six C44ACi's and five GT46's will find a home eventually, its just a question of when/whom and a meeting of an agreed price between the purchaser and seller.  I highly doubt that they will be like the CR 'L' class steamers, cut up without ever entering service !!!!! Smile
  M636C Minister for Railways



I have no doubt that the six C44ACi's and five GT46's will find a home eventually, its just a question of when/whom and a meeting of an agreed price between the purchaser and seller.  I highly doubt that they will be like the CR 'L' class steamers, cut up without ever entering service !!!!! Smile
monday

The CR L class aren't a good comparison. They were all paid for and the SAR 740s from the same order all had long operating lives, at least by the standards of 1950s steam locomotives in Australia. The Ls could have been transferred to the SAR except that such things weren't done in those days. The first few Ls were used, particularly those that arrived before the GM class entered service. There is a photo of one on the Trans Australian Express, not bad for a 2-8-2.

I would think that some of these could be leased, just as the first LDPs were leased to Aurizon, possibly to the companies whose numbers they already carry.

M636C
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Using BDA's wording, "the vine" suggests that the CRL's are remaining unsold...
Raichase

They will be sold, I understand PN are still looking to add to their number of 93s, maybe not right now but there is a plan in place.
  ed31880 Train Controller

so have GWU's been painted or the CRL's painted up in either Crleasing or SSR "bumble bee" colors yet?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
so have GWU's been painted or the CRL's painted up in either Crleasing or SSR "bumble bee" colors yet?
ed31880
I would suggest that it is very unlikely that the CRL's will be painted in either livery, or indeed continue to carry that class designation.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Just got the email, BDA your beloved hot plates are being finally retrofitted to the 9301-9306!

Edit: in addition to the other stuff like fridges TA clip etc etc.

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