When were the Red Rattlers actually withrawn from revenue service?

 
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

It's remarkable that the term "red rattler" doesn't seem to have been used during the Shirley and Reiher eras.

Which tends to suggest that the term was possibly borrowed from the description of older Melbourne suburban electrics.

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  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Some of the best suburban trip memories that I have are of some exhilarating runs aboard 8 car single deckers on the non-stop run from Redfern to Burwood (where I then worked) around 1990. The outward trip in the morning was usually the highlight if departure was a few minutes late, especially on a hot summer morning, windows wide open, air rushing through (beats modern day air-con), bouncing through the Summer Hill/Ashfield crossovers, and on-time at Burwood.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
It's remarkable that the term "red rattler" doesn't seem to have been used during the Shirley and Reiher eras.

Which tends to suggest that the term was possibly borrowed from the description of older Melbourne suburban electrics.
electrax
Refer to the first page of this thread, about halfway down the page, for explanation Smile
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

thanks, wurx.  What makes me annoyed is that "official" rail-focused publications frequently use the term "red rattler" - see the latest edition of "Track & Signal" regarding the potted history of Standard motor car C3151. This car, incidentally, was one of the centrally marshalled cars of the second city-bound train on the Sydney Harbour Bridge "final day for single deckers" ceremony in January 1992; it was also notable by being marshalled the wrong way round in that set.

Will the "official" scribes now start calling the withdrawn S set cars "silver shakers"?
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Will the "official" scribes now start calling the withdrawn S set cars "silver shakers"?
"electrax"
My father still uses the term "silver bullet" - no idea where that one came from, but he also still uses the term "State Rail" - so I guess when the last one books off, we'll call them "silver spent casings"?
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

I first came across the term "Silver Bullet" for the single deck interurbans in S E Dornan & D R Keenan, "First Stop Central - The Electrified System and Cars of the New South Wales Government Railways", Australian Electric Traction Association, Sydney, 1963. The only thing I can think of is that the side profile of the motor cars - with their curved and blunt ends - might have resembled a small arms bullet to some railway observers.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
I first came across the term "Silver Bullet" for the single deck interurbans in S E Dornan & D R Keenan, "First Stop Central - The Electrified System and Cars of the New South Wales Government Railways", Australian Electric Traction Association, Sydney, 1963. The only thing I can think of is that the side profile of the motor cars - with their curved and blunt ends - might have resembled a small arms bullet to some railway observers.
"electrax"
That's interesting. He also used to use the term "red devil" to refer to the Tulloch trailers, noting that they used to be red before my time.
  Faceless Locomotive Fireman

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This thread made some great reading. Thanks for the memories gents. Can anyone tell me the last service that ran with SETS? Where is the train now? I don't think I will ever see a rattler on the rails in my lifetime again. Sad
Never thought about the precious overhead factor as mentioned. Even if the train was hauled by a loco would be a pipe dream for me. At least then I could sit in the thing and it moves.
I know that kind of defeats the purpose. But it's better than nothing. Even the steam freaks seem to accept a diesel loco attached at one end these days.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

The PTC publicity document issued in 1975 showing "improvements in progress" contained pictures of both new and old type rolling stock. Old suburban electric cars were represented pictorially by a Bradfield motor car, but there was no mention of "red rattlers" anywhere in that document.
  r_rogel Junior Train Controller

Is C3151 still exist?
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

Is C3151 still exist?
r_rogel
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

electrax
Yes, its location is given in the current "Track & Signal" magazine. Like many of the withdrawn single deckers, it is now a business structure. There is a photograph of C3151 telescoped into the adjoining motor car.  I think that the writer of the article may have got it wrong by transposing the identity of the Hornsby- and Bankstown-based sets.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

Different state, different circumstances, but same moniker "red rattler"....

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/historic-tram-graffitied-one-month-after-being-moved-to-glenelg/story-e6frea83-1226551959014

I wonder what the Sydney cars would have been called if the blue and white livery had been maintained??
3l diesel
I've wondered about that myself.  How about the Blue Bouncers?
  Spinner5711 Train Controller

In other words, sheer bloodymindedness on RailCorp's (read: the Garv Mint) part.

They keep these old trains off the tracks simply because they can, and because it suits them to be that way about it.

And I expect, will continue to do so ad infinitum Sad
wurx
There is one other impediment to these carriages getting out 'n' about...

CityRail has adjusted track centres through platforms, closing them up by about 3" as most DD stock is narrower than the single deck stock.  Hence the 10'6" carriages are now out of gauge through almost every platform.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

The last tour using single deck suburban electric cars that I went on was the 75th Anniversary of Electric Trains in 2001 (the day of the wet BBQ at Oatley), and I don't think that there would have been much use of them since 2003. That 75th Anniversary celebration used two sets - the 4-car W set comprised of single deck Comeng Sputnik power cars and the two Tulloch double deck trailers, all of which are "wide" stock, and the 6-car single deck "wide" train consisting of Standard cars and the wooden trailer T4279 (which, based on its nominal underframe details, hits 100 years of age in 2013, or 76 years of age in 2013 if you count its service as a widened trailer).

The only listed heritage items of electric stock that could conceivably be used on tours if clearances have been tightened up would be the single deck interurbans.
  TheLoneGunMan Assistant Commissioner

Location: At NF88.7 taking pictures
Hi All,

My fondest memories of the Standard Sets was when I lived in St Marys and to get on the early morning State Rail employees train for the ride to BoShops Platform at Chullora when I worked at Welders. I used to walk up from BoShops with a detour via the diesel loco shops. But summers were awesome when you could stand at the door for the run into the city with the wind blowing in your hair and the "fast" trip between St Marys and Mt Druitt, Rooty Hill, Doonside and Blacktown then the fast trip between Seven Hills and Westmead. Like TheLoadedDog™ has said with the trip at the open door through the Sydney underground and not forgetting the trip over the Harbour Bridge. Now those were the days. Back in a time where running through the tunnels on loud trains with the doors w-i-d-e open without a care in the world.

Back in the day when a H set was a 8 car single deck train that if I recall wasn't to divide and a M set was 4 motors and 4 Tulloch DD trailers with the runs on the Bankstown & Campbelltown lines on power operated door W Sets. I was guilty of holding the doors open on an S and W sets to have that same feeling of freedom that I once had on the single deck standard sets. Surprisingly in winter with the terminal doors closed the cars retained some of the "body" heat warmth when they were full of passengers unlike the single deck interurbans that had heaters under the seats for the runs to and from Springwood, Lawson, Katoomba, Mt Victoria and Lithgow. I have like alot of the "older" members here of trips on trains without airconditioning and manual doors with trains running to places that they don't run anymore like the runs to the Royal National Park and Elcar. I never rode trains to Warwick Farm Racecourse or Sandown or Pippita or Ropes Creek.

I remember when the trackwork was on between Redfern and Strathfield and western line trains were diverted via Enfield or Bankstown. I caught a Blue Mountains train from Central once and was told it was going to Mt Victoria only to end up at Hurstville. I did that a second time, "the days before I wore a watch to tell time", the train got to Redfern only to disappear down the Illawarra Dive, my heart sank as I was told that the single deck interurban was heading west. What a relief I got when the train crossed over from the Dn Illawarra to the Dn Illawarra Local to the Bankstown Lines at Sydenham. I thought to myself, "sounds like we are going via Enfield." I was surprised when we ended up going via Bankstown and did the left turn at Lidcombe for the run west. I could ramble on all night from my experiences with the trains of Sydney and all the trips I did but maybe I'll write my memoirs one day and I'll save a few of them for that project?

TLGM
  Silver S Set Junior Train Controller

Red rattlers, silver shakers, yellow youths (waratahs)...
  HeadShunt Chief Train Controller

Yellow Peril...
  zordmaker Train Controller

Location: NSW

My fondest memories of the Standard Sets

TheLoneGunMan
Said it before and I'll say it again.

My definition of true freedom:

"Standing at the rear left hand open door of a 2 motor, 3000 series red electric set, motors screaming, as it climbs the grade north from Wynyard and over the Harbour Bridge".

Amen.

ZM
  zordmaker Train Controller

Location: NSW
This thread made some great reading. Thanks for the memories gents. Can anyone tell me the last service that ran with SETS?  
Faceless
May 1997, prior to the split. Most observers would agree that it was what caused the split.

ZM
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I remember the Tangaras in the Blue Mountains being referred to as Cattle Trucks. I used to say that the G sets were Registered Cattle Trucks and that the T sets were Unregistered Cattle Trucks because of the yellow stripe.
  Silver S Set Junior Train Controller

Unusual name- cattle trucks. I don't quite get it.
  wurx Lithgovian Ambassador-at-Large

Location: The mystical lost principality of Daptovia
I remember the Tangaras in the Blue Mountains being referred to as Cattle Trucks. I used to say that the G sets were Registered Cattle Trucks and that the T sets were Unregistered Cattle Trucks because of the yellow stripe.
GeoffreyHansen
Seeing how Oscars are essentially a 21st century G set, what would that make them QuestionConfused
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Seeing how Oscars are essentially a 21st century G set, what would that make them QuestionConfused
"wurx"
Cattle Truck (Registered) Mk II? Mr. Green
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I'm guessing cattle truck may have referred to the Tangara's appearance or to the fact that more people were squeezed in.

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