RLWY Louvred Vans

 
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

What did the "w" stand for in the RLWY code for former KLY/NLKY louvred vans?

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Interesting - there are no RLWYs listed under PN in the current ARTC rolling stock lists although I assume from your post that that they do exist. I will be interested in other replies to your question.

When NR took over the generic NLKYs from the 'NSWGR' (and subsequently inherited by PN) were NLPY, NLNY, NLWY and NLUY. These all turned into RLSY (Sadleirs), RLPY and RLUY. The NLNYs mostly (not all) turned into RLPYs.

The NLUYs and NLWYs turned into RLUY, RLPY and RLSY. At that time there were no RLWYs but I don't know what has happened since although the ARTC data makes me wonder.

Basically, the third letter in a wagon classification is only to differentiate that group of wagons from another group of wagons of the same type. Type in this context is 'flat', 'van', 'open' etc beneath which the various classes sit. The letter need not stand for anything other than that 'D' is different from 'U' for example!
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
The NLWY and NLUY were used by "Uncle Ben's" for their pet food transport needs so it's logical the U stood for "Uncle Bens" (just as RLSY were Sadleirs, & NLNY was "newsprint"). I have a hunch that the 2 codes were used to differentiate the slight differences between the 1st and 2nd series of KLY's (The 2nd series KLY is fully louvred and is the type that became the NLUY/RLUY, the first series was originally KLV but recoded KLY when the bogies were upgraded and is easy to identify as it has some flat panels on the sides instead of fully louvred - it's the one I suspect became the NLWY/RLWY).
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Interesting - there are no RLWYs listed under PN in the current ARTC rolling stock lists although I assume from your post that that they do exist. I will be interested in other replies to your question.

When NR took over the generic NLKYs from the 'NSWGR' (and subsequently inherited by PN) were NLPY, NLNY, NLWY and NLUY. These all turned into RLSY (Sadleirs), RLPY and RLUY. The NLNYs mostly (not all) turned into RLPYs.

The NLUYs and NLWYs turned into RLUY, RLPY and RLSY. At that time there were no RLWYs but I don't know what has happened since although the ARTC data makes me wonder.

Basically, the third letter in a wagon classification is only to differentiate that group of wagons from another group of wagons of the same type. Type in this context is 'flat', 'van', 'open' etc beneath which the various classes sit. The letter need not stand for anything other than that 'D' is different from 'U' for example!
YM-Mundrabilla
Here is what they were and what they became under National Rail:


RLPY 18564 R NLNY18564H
RLPY 18574 C NLNY18574P
RLPY 18598 X NLNY18598V
RLPY 18603 N NLNY18603D
RLPY 18610 R NLNY18610H
RLPY 18623 G NLNY18623T
RLPY 18629 Y NLNY18629E
RLPY 18630 K NLNY18630A
RLPY 18640 S NLNY18640X
RLPY 18675 S NLNY18675X
RLPY 18690 M NLNY18690C
RLUY 18721 K NLNY18721X
RLPY 18728 M NLNY18728C
RLPY 18730 R NLNY18730H
RLPY 18743 G NLNY18743T
RLPY 18554 J NLPY18554F
RLPY 18589 J NLPY18589F
RLPY 18596 N NLPY18596J
RLPY 18608 M NLPY18608X
RLPY 18646 D NLPY18646W
RLPY 18692 H NLPY18692D
Scrapped NLPY18694V
RLPY 18696 U NLPY18696Q
RLPY 18737 L NLPY18737H
Scrapped NLUY18636G
RLSY 18645 D NLUY18645F
RLSY 18647 V NLUY18647A
RLUY 18648 N NLUY18648J
RLSY 18649 Q NLUY18649S
RLUY 18650 S NLUY18650Y
RLUY 18651 E NLUY18651A
RLUY 18652 N NLUY18652J
RLPY 18653 H NLUY18653S
RLUY 18654 X NLUY18654E
RLUY 18655 R NLUY18655N
RLSY 18657 G NLUY18657X
RLUY 18658 V NLUY18658R
RLUY 18659 H NLUY18659D
RLUY 18660 D NLUY18660W
RLSY 18661 G NLUY18661X
RLSY 18662 P NLUY18662R
RLPY 18663 P NLUY18663D
RLSY 18664 K NLUY18664M
RLSY 18665 T NLUY18665V
RLUY 18666 L NLUY18666H
RLSY 18667 Y NLUY18667Q
RLSY 18668 A NLUY18668C
RLSY 18669 J NLUY18669L
RLSY 18670 F NLUY18670H
RLSY 18671 Y NLUY18671Q
RLUY 18672 G NLUY18672C
RLUY 18673 P NLUY18673L
RLSY 18674 S NLUY18674U
RLSY 18676 N NLUY18676P
RLSY 18677 W NLUY18677B
RLUY 18678 Y NLUY18678K
RLUY 18679 A NLUY18679T
RLSY 18680 N NLUY18680P
RLUY 18682 Y NLUY18682K
RLUY 18683 A NLUY18683T
RLPY 18685 D NLUY18685Y
RLSY 18686 V NLUY18686A
RLPY 18687 V NLUY18687J
RLSY 18688 Q NLUY18688S
RLUY 18689 X NLUY18689E
RLUY 18691 N NLWY18691P
RLUY 18695 D NLWY18695F
RLSY 18697 P NLWY18697A
RLSY 18698 B NLWY18698J
RLSY 18699 K NLWY18699S
RLUY 18700 X NLWY18700K
RLSY 18701 L NLWY18701T
RLSY 18702 U NLWY18702F
RLSY 18703 G NLWY18703Y
RLUY 18704 V NLWY18704A
RLPY 18705 P NLWY18705J
RLUY 18706 Q NLWY18706S
RLSY 18707 T NLWY18707E
RLUY 18708 L NLWY18708N
RLSY 18709 Y NLWY18709W
RLSY 18710 K NLWY18710S
RLUY 18711 C NLWY18711E
RLSY 18712 F NLWY18712N
RLUY 18713 U NLWY18713W
RLUY 18714 G NLWY18714X
RLUY 18715 P NLWY18715R
RLSY 18716 S NLWY18716D
RLSY 18717 K NLWY18717M
RLSY 18718 N NLWY18718V
RLUY 18719 F NLWY18719H
RLUY 18720 B NLWY18720D
RLUY 18722 T NLWY18722V
RLUY 18723 F NLWY18723H
RLPY 18724 W NLWY18724Q
RLSY 18725 R NLWY18725C
RLUY 18726 J NLWY18726L
RLSY 18727 M NLWY18727U
RLUY 18729 N NLWY18729P
RLUY 18731 S NLWY18731U
RLUY 18732 E NLWY18732G
RLUY 18734 W NLWY18734B
RLUY 18735 X NLWY18735K
RLUY 18736 R NLWY18736T
RLSY 18738 G NLWY18738Y
RLSY 18739 P NLWY18739A
RLUY 18740 R NLWY18740T
RLSY 18741 U NLWY18741F
RLUY 18742 M NLWY18742Y
RLUY 18744 H NLWY18744J
RLUY 18745 Q NLWY18745S
RLSY 18746 T NLWY18746E
RLPY 18747 T NLWY18747N
RLPY 18748 F NLWY18748W
RLSY 18749 A NLWY18749X
Scrapped NLWY18750E

I have no idea how many or which ones remain under PN. Not a lot I suspect.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The NLWY and NLUY were used by "Uncle Ben's" for their pet food transport needs so it's logical the U stood for "Uncle Bens" (just as RLSY were Sadleirs, & NLNY was "newsprint"). I have a hunch that the 2 codes were used to differentiate the slight differences between the 1st and 2nd series of KLY's (The 2nd series KLY is fully louvred and is the type that became the NLUY/RLUY, the first series was originally KLV but recoded KLY when the bogies were upgraded and is easy to identify as it has some flat panels on the sides instead of fully louvred - it's the one I suspect became the NLWY/RLWY).
Poath Junction
I have a vague recollection that the 'Dog Factory' vans (W and U)were as you suggest ie Wodonga or Bathurst a classic example of rolling stock management by paint which NR abolished. The numbers in my previous post may mean something to those interested.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
The numbers/code listing helped disprove part of my theory as they show NLUY's covering both first and second series vehicles.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The numbers/code listing helped disprove part of my theory as they show NLUY's covering both first and second series vehicles.
Poath Junction
I don't remember the details, but NR had a policy of identical wagons carrying identical classes. As far as I can remember only the NLNY/RLPY vans were different in that they had flat plate floors as distinct from chequerplate which would have damaged the edge of the newsprint rolls.

Basically, in NR it was intended that wagons would be managed by need/task/suitability rather than paint.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

thank you for your contributions.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

thank you for your contributions.
electrax
The late John Dunn, in "Comeng - The History of Commonwealth Engineering - Vol.3 - 1966 -1977", tells the reason for the external bodywork of the original batch of vans (nos.18601-18650) being different from the later vans (numbered 18551 - 18600 & 18651 - 18750).

There is a YouTube clip of a westbound freight out of Adelaide with double stacked container wagons and tri-level car carriers and other single level wagons with 5 of the louvred vans under discussion bringing up the rear. Four of the vans are coupled together (two Mk.2 vans followed by two MK.1 vans), splendid in the lime green Sadleirs livery, but the final van in the consist is a grubby Mk.1 van in weathered SRA red colour scheme.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

"Motive Power", v15, n5 (Issue 88), July/August 2013; p16, has a photograph of NR 18 (liveried for the 'Indian Pacific') on 2 July 2013 on the Sadleirs 9781 van transfer from South Dynon Yard to the Sadleirs siding at Spotswood with both types of "RLSY" type vans.

"Motive Power", Issue 88 also (at p18) has a photo of Train 3PS6 at Rocky Ponds on 26 April 2013 led by NR 104, NR 110, NR 31, NR 52 with around 10 "KLY" type vans immediately behind the locomotives, including 6 in Sadleirs lime green livery and the others, in faded SRA red livery.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

"Motive Power", v15, n5 (Issue 88), July/August 2013; p16, has a photograph of NR 18 (liveried for the 'Indian Pacific') on 2 July 2013 on the Sadleirs 9781 van transfer from South Dynon Yard to the Sadleirs siding at Spotswood with both types of "RLSY" type vans.

"Motive Power", Issue 88 also (at p18) has a photo of Train 3PS6 at Rocky Ponds on 26 April 2013 led by NR 104, NR 110, NR 31, NR 52 with around 10 "KLY" type vans immediately behind the locomotives, including 6 in Sadleirs lime green livery and the others, in faded SRA red livery.
electrax

The rolling stock transferred in 1994 to National Rail included:

50 NLUY to RLUY, 50 NLWY to RLUY, 15 NLNY to RLNY, 9 NLPY to RLUY.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
The rolling stock transferred in 1994 to National Rail included:

50 NLUY to RLUY, 50 NLWY to RLUY, 15 NLNY to RLNY, 9 NLPY to RLUY.
electrax

We need to proceed carefully on these figures and conversions as I believe that the total NLKY type 'black vans' taken over was only 115 (not 124 as mentioned) nor were the conversions as simple as indicated. In addition, there was one NLDF.

There is an earlier post on this thread that gives what I believe is the correct information at the time of the NR takeover. No doubt things have changed since 1994 but the above is the situation at that time.

As I said earlier, there was no such thing as an RLWY in 1994 but goodness knows what may have happened since.
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

Once again, thank you for your help.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Once again, thank you for your help.
electrax

No probs - glad to help where I can.Smile
  electrax Assistant Commissioner

No probs - glad to help where I can.Smile
YM-Mundrabilla

I've found the following NLKY to NLUY recodings shown as 12.1992:

18634, 18635, 18636, 18639, 18641, 18642, 18644, 18645, 18650, 18651, 18653, 18654, 18655, 18661, 18661, 18663, 18665, 18666, 18670, 18673, 18679, 18688.

Also, NLKY to NLWY, 11.1992: 18699, 18749.

and NLKY to NLWY, 10.1992: 18746.

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