David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
So how do we explain the high attrition rate of valuable posters?  I came here in '03 vaguely liking trains but with little knowledge, and I learned a great deal from some very clued up people.  Were  I to try that today, I'f just find myself looking at things like lists of Melbourne stations with picket fences.

No, I can't back this up.  I have no cite.  But I know the score. A great many informative posters (and not as abrasive as STB) have left for greener pastures. Where are the Riccardo types these days? The knowledge base is now massively eroded.  RP used to be my first port of call if I needed to know something about rail - these days, I come only when I've exhausted other avenues.  And I'm usually disappointed.

I take no pleasure in this.  I have a great many fond memories of RP, and I don't wish it to fail.  But I can't help seeing what I see.  This site is a shadow of its glory days.  I think that's a damned shame.
TheLoadedDog™™
Yes I too can see what TLD™ is getting at I don't mind a spirited debate or something just as long as it does not get really personal. Some on here all seem to think we can see them or something we cannot and we don't often get the right end of the stick simply because someone has not worded it right. I dont expect perfect 100% grammar all the time but if I have to read a post more than once to even have an inkling as to what someone wants then it becomes drudgery to me. Some posts I have read half a dozen times on here and I still cant make heads or tails out of the post after.

But yes those that like to pull a person down because they think they are a superior being or something really want to have a good kick in the goolies administered to them. There are not many but a few on here do like to behave this way. The other thing I actually dislike about Railpage is that you are not allowed to have an honest opinion about something or someone lest it upset them. Tough I say, simply let them grow a pair and go out into the big wide world more where they will possibly get shot down in flames or something worse. I don't mean starting a flame war or something but if two people disagree on something let them fight it out to a point. But some of the posters on here can not use common sense and good old knowledge to do it they would rather attack the person which is not on actually, unless they are proven to be a chronic pest or a bad troll.


As for STB I rather liked his call it as I see attitude, as in most cases he was right, I would not fully agree with some things he said at times, but I would not shoot him in the foot for saying it. What if he chooses not to come back at all, which I have heard is the case. Another one lost. Pretty soon this site will be full of 14 year old experts as slowly the one's with knowledge get cheesed of and depart.

And some moderators on here are just as bad at times too, I will not name them but some things leave you speechless at times when they should have intervened and they did not and at other times they do intervene for no real reason at all. There seems to be no mid ground with the moderators like this.

We all need to know this simple rule "I totally dis-agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

Just as long as it is not libellous or defamatory.


I am seriously thinking myself of departing actually, not that it will be any big deal though. The site is rapidly going down the gurgler in my eyes and a lot of peoples eyes as well. Just my two bob's worth for what it is worth.

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  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
So how do we explain the high attrition rate of valuable posters?  I came here in '03 vaguely liking trains but with little knowledge, and I learned a great deal from some very clued up people.  Were  I to try that today, I'f just find myself looking at things like lists of Melbourne stations with picket fences.

No, I can't back this up.  I have no cite.  But I know the score. A great many informative posters (and not as abrasive as STB) have left for greener pastures. Where are the Riccardo types these days? The knowledge base is now massively eroded.  RP used to be my first port of call if I needed to know something about rail - these days, I come only when I've exhausted other avenues.  And I'm usually disappointed.

I take no pleasure in this.  I have a great many fond memories of RP, and I don't wish it to fail.  But I can't help seeing what I see.  This site is a shadow of its glory days.  I think that's a damned shame.
TheLoadedDog™™
My experience over the years here and elsewhere is the topic may determine the quality as certain similar personalities seem to head to similar topics.  I know some negative types are around but their lack of factual accurate posts soon gives them away, especially if they replace factual content with off topic rubbish so after a while I can predict their type of post. One of these negative members also gives himself away with his signature line. Age does not seem to a determining factor in the responsibility levels but I will not mention examples as members themselves should be able to work out who are the less responsible folk from both ends of the age continuum.
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

My experience over the years here and elsewhere is the topic may determine the quality as certain similar personalities seem to head to similar topics.  I know some negative types are around but their lack of factual accurate posts soon gives them away, especially if they replace factual content with off topic rubbish so after a while I can predict their type of post. One of these negative members also gives himself away with his signature line. Age does not seem to a determining factor in the responsibility levels but I will not mention examples as members themselves should be able to work out who are the less responsible folk from both ends of the age continuum.
petan
That so, eh?  Who might this naughty member be? Never been a great fan of vague accusations, myself.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I hate the term negative simply because some can see that something might be amiss with something. There are two sides to every debate otherwise you don't have a debate at all. I take offence at being called negative, when really at most times you are using good old common sense.

Some cannot see the wood for the tree's.

I don't mind being called a Gunzel or a Plonker  or even a rivet counter but using the term negative is well just negative.Laughing
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

I'm not negative.  The glass isn't half full or half empty - it's just half a glass of water.  No, not negative, but I **AM** a grump.  And that's no bad thing.

If I've only learned one thing in the forty-three years I've been on this planet, it's not to ever fully trust happy, bubbly types.  They invariably have a nasty temper, and will turn on you.

So, like my closest relatives, my closest friends are also grumps.  No huggy kissy MWAH MWAH nonsense.  Just a surly nod as a greeting.  But I just KNOW they are always there if I need them, and I for them.  Emergency help needed at 3am?  No worries.

Grumpy people are good people.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
TLD™, you raise some good points as always Smile The problem you mentioned about the exodus of knowledgeable types over the last ten years is something everyone laments, myself included. Some left of their own accord, and some chose to stay exiled after we rapped their knuckles for repeatedly breaking our rules. I'm not going to say that every decision the staff have made - myself included - have, in hindsight, been the best, but we did the best we could at the time.

What people seem to be glossing over is that in the last two years we've made a concentrated effort to improve the credibility of Railpage. All we ask is for people to give us a chance. We've put in countless hours discussing, rather than simply banhammering users; we've agonised over the best way to accommodate the posting styles and mannerisms of certain users whilst keeping our rules intact; and we've reached out to people and asked, begged, hell, even pleaded with members to change their behaviour in order to make the most of the troves of information stored in their minds...and yet this site, and the people who run it are still perceived as the bad guys.

We've got mountains of data contributed by community members, both past and present (loco data, photos, locations, sightings, news, route data, etc etc) that seem to take a back seat to the forums.

Railpage is more than the forums. If you don't like the forums, fine. Don't look at them. Look at our troves of data, or better still help us - and the greater railfan community - by contributing to them.

If I've only learned one thing in the forty-three years I've been on this planet, it's not to ever fully trust happy, bubbly types.
TLD™
I hope I can pre-empt you here by saying that despite my posting style ("let's all live in la-la land") I am not a happy, bubbly person. The people around me know me as a grumpy, cantankerous SOB - just as bevans or Loco. Despite that, I try to remain positive on the forums because I know that Joe Bloggs from Bendigo, who has only just discovered his love of trains may find Railpage his first port of call. What message does it send to Joe if the first dozen posts he reads are "You're a twat!" "No, YOU'RE A TWAT!" etc etc? I had this exact experience when trying to find a UK model railway forum I wanted to participate in. This is why we enforce the rules that we have, and unfortunately - despite our best intentions - this has lead to the departure of some knowledgeable people. We all remain hopeful that they will return, when the moment suits them...that's about all we can ask.

Cheers Smile
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

Michael, I wasn't singling you out as a bubbly type.  In fact, I wasn't singling anybody out. More just trying to say that sometimes the scratchy buggers need a chance.  They usually have something to contribute (I do not include myself here, as I acknowledge I've taken more knowledge from this site than I have ever given).

Thanks for not taking my post as a mere smeg sesh, and I do welcome the fact that you admins do take time over this sort of thing.

All I can suggest is, Joe Bloggs from Bendigo aside, give us the leeway we used to have to get up one another to a reasonable extent, ditch stuff like the herring feature, and make it clear the whinge-a-link Report Post button is only used for dire emergencies, on pain of having one's privy member run through the mangle.

We used to be able to do it, and with pretty much the same admin team.  It shouldn't be too hard to get back to that.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Michael, I wasn't singling you out as a bubbly type.  In fact, I wasn't singling anybody out. More just trying to say that sometimes the scratchy buggers need a chance.  They usually have something to contribute (I do not include myself here, as I acknowledge I've taken more knowledge from this site than I have ever given).

Thanks for not taking my post as a mere smeg sesh, and I do welcome the fact that you admins do take time over this sort of thing.

All I can suggest is, Joe Bloggs from Bendigo aside, give us the leeway we used to have to get up one another to a reasonable extent, ditch stuff like the herring feature, and make it clear the whinge-a-link Report Post button is only used for dire emergencies, on pain of having one's privy member run through the mangle.

We used to be able to do it, and with pretty much the same admin team.  It shouldn't be too hard to get back to that.
TheLoadedDog™™
I cannot say definitively as the rest of our staff perform the day-to-day running of the site, but the impression I have from talking to BW, JGS, Loco etc is that over the last few months the number of overzealous post reports have gone down and those few who have misused it have been reprimanded.

Herrings are being updated in the coming 3.6 update for Railpage, with improved logging and restrictions to prevent abuse. Herrings are not about one person repeatedly reporting a post until it hides - it's about LOTS of people reporting it once, after which it's minimised. The intention being if lots of users think it's crap, it goes away. I think that's fair Smile

I hope we're making progress with user management. As I touched on earlier, we've put in a concentrated effort to be more conscious of our management techniques and the affect our decisions have on the community. I hope that's been reflected in the decisions made Smile

One advantage of me staying out of the day-to-day management of the site is that I can remain impartial to the decisions made, which allows me to act on behalf of any grievances our users have regarding decisions we've made - the short version of which is, if you have a gripe about something a moderator or admin has done, talk to me Smile

Cheers
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Thanks MGH you have answered honestly, I do not mistrust the admins or moderators on here, hell I think you a good job considering but there have been times when things should have been done a lot better by a mod. It is mainly the attitude of some members actually that is the major concern, some are very self righteous. But then you cannot please us all, all the time so there is bound to be a little bit of an upset here and there. We should really be thanking you for trying to get as much out of Railpage as you have for us members to use. But there is always those that will use it the wrong way.

Hell I only report something if it is an outright lie or something similar or spam. I dont report things like Joe Blow called me a maggot or something. I only report serious breaches or spam if I find it. But Cheers to you all. A lot should HTFU more at times as well, members that is.


I would ask though that if it is possible to get people to stop calling others negative or similar on here just because some can see the other side of the coin or something. The minute you put up something against what the person has said you get called negative. I would really like to see the use of this word in this way stopped on here, but I know that is impossible. They need to know that a debate has two sides and they are the pro's and the con's. You are one or the other.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Thanks MGH you have answered honestly, I do not mistrust the admins or moderators on here, hell I think you a good job considering but there have been times when things should have been done a lot better by a mod. It is mainly the attitude of some members actually that is the major concern, some are very self righteous. But then you cannot please us all, all the time so there is bound to be a little bit of an upset here and there. We should really be thanking you for trying to get as much out of Railpage as you have for us members to use. But there is always those that will use it the wrong way.

Hell I only report something if it is an outright lie or something similar or spam. I dont report things like Joe Blow called me a maggot or something. I only report serious breaches or spam if I find it. But Cheers to you all. A lot should HTFU more at times as well, members that is.


I would ask though that if it is possible to get people to stop calling others negative or similar on here just because some can see the other side of the coin or something. The minute you put up something against what the person has said you get called negative. I would really like to see the use of this word in this way stopped on here, but I know that is impossible. They need to know that a debate has two sides and they are the pro's and the con's. You are one or the other.
David Peters
David, please reread my description of a negative here where I said negative types are around but their lack of factual accurate posts soon gives them away. So I will continue to call anyone who makes up railway data a negative. Any reply that contains accurate factual data is a positive.  We have seen replies over the years where people have made up stuff to support their private agendas.

You yourself in my following direct quote of your post, termed negatives in a similar manner; outright lie or something similar or spam.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
David, please reread my description of a negative here where I said negative types are around but their lack of factual accurate posts soon gives them away. So I will continue to call anyone who makes up railway data a negative. Any reply that contains accurate factual data is a positive.  We have seen replies over the years where people have made up stuff to support their private agendas.

You yourself in my following direct quote of your post, termed negatives in a similar manner; outright lie or something similar or spam.
petan
A good example of my negative meaning is the following case; As far as I am aware, STB is noted for factual railway data so not a negative, although he was somewhat rude at times. The rudeness is not the deciding factor. The negatives are the ones who make up stuff and in a couple of cases falsely claimed a book as their reference. In a case on another forum/thread the book had the opposite data. When this was politely pointed out they ignored the helpful correction and continue on with more made up stuff as well as an emotional temper tantrum. Their negative aspect was make believe railway data.
  Speed Minister for Railways

If I had to choose between using post-reporting & herrings and self-appointed moderators, I'd choose the former. For a start. they are much less disruptive to a discussion. Agree and Disagree votes (preferably with user-names rather than anonymous) can also make a discussion flow more smoothly.

The first Myki thread has pages of users telling Melbtrip to shut up. That thread was not unique among threads from the same year in having such discourse. Had the almost identical off-topic posts been deleted, or just hidden, the thread would have been four pages shorter each year that it ran. In subsequent years, more threads than could be desired ran away with arguments about Mildura.

If you want to see a reasoned argument, to discover information or even to contribute useful knowledge, you cannot possibly want to see pages of arguing about how to make porridge, pages of nasty worthless users chasing other users down just to flame every post that they make (yes, I mean 4kwit101). You'll quickly conclude that the thread is of no interest to you and stop reading it. If too many threads i a forum are like that, you'll stop reading that entire forum.

It has been possible to disable reporting by people who abused the Report Post function, for as long as the Report Post function has been available. I don't believe that many people have abused the function enough to have reporting disabled. Those that have abused it have probably been rightly banned too.
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Can't remember where I have seen it, but some forums have a thumbs up and thumbs down. If we could have this, and attribute names then instead of 20 "this" or "I agree" comments on a good post, you just click the thumb. Equally, enough people thumbs down and the post dissappears.

Sadly, this board unlike another one I know cough rb cough, the notion of self moderated comments can't work because this site is for everyone. In that mix personalities will clash. This doesn't  necessarily mean more moderators are needed, but certainly consistent and effective moderation is.

My 2 cents
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
David, please reread my description of a negative here where I said negative types are around but their lack of factual accurate posts soon gives them away. So I will continue to call anyone who makes up railway data a negative. Any reply that contains accurate factual data is a positive.  We have seen replies over the years where people have made up stuff to support their private agendas.

You yourself in my following direct quote of your post, termed negatives in a similar manner; outright lie or something similar or spam.
petan
Yes in that case an outright lie you could call them negative, but the problem is some one who tells someone, who tells someone quickly becomes an urban myth and can be quoted by someone as being factual. If it is pointed out to them though that it is not fact but fiction then it should be left at that but not turned into a right full on slanging match. Note I said pointed out, not rammed down their throat. Not having a go at you personally but too many here like to think that they are superior or something to the rest of us in the great unwashed that make up this site.

But me being of the old school here see's negative as the opposite of positive and in a debate about something, time has to be made for both positive and negative positions. A better word than negative would be a lot better and hopefully one that was less demoralising to posters as well. Most on here use it to simply shut a person or topic down, I just don't really like being called negative simply because some poster cannot see the wood for the tree's at times or my or another persons point of view. Realist might be the better word to use here as it tell's it as it is.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
A good example of my negative meaning is the following case; As far as I am aware, STB is noted for factual railway data so not a negative, although he was somewhat rude at times. The rudeness is not the deciding factor. The negatives are the ones who make up stuff and in a couple of cases falsely claimed a book as their reference. In a case on another forum/thread the book had the opposite data. When this was politely pointed out they ignored the helpful correction and continue on with more made up stuff as well as an emotional temper tantrum. Their negative aspect was make believe railway data.
petan
Yeah you do have a point there.
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
So how do we explain the high attrition rate of valuable posters?  I came here in '03 vaguely liking trains but with little knowledge, and I learned a great deal from some very clued up people.  Were  I to try that today, I'f just find myself looking at things like lists of Melbourne stations with picket fences.

No, I can't back this up.  I have no cite.  But I know the score. A great many informative posters (and not as abrasive as STB) have left for greener pastures. Where are the Riccardo types these days? The knowledge base is now massively eroded.  RP used to be my first port of call if I needed to know something about rail - these days, I come only when I've exhausted other avenues.  And I'm usually disappointed.

I take no pleasure in this.  I have a great many fond memories of RP, and I don't wish it to fail.  But I can't help seeing what I see.  This site is a shadow of its glory days.  I think that's a damned shame.
"TheLoadedDog™™"


To add to TLD™,s comments

I have been a member around 6 months now but before that i was just another guest reader very regularly for around 3 years or so and in that space of time i have seen Railpage go from being a site that provided quite excellent infomation and helpfull members to the shadow of its former self now.

At the moment we have out of many thousands of members around 30 members only who provide accurate and topical information.

On the other hand we have at least 70 members across the board who just spew out multi paragraph error fill spam just to see there name in print on any given topic that starts off interesting and then they jump in to kill the thread with 10 paragraph posts that say nothing that could not be said in many fewer words.

And woe betide any railway worker that dares to correct there fictional posts with those damn annoying things called facts.

It actualy seems that Railpage has become openly ANTI railway worker.

Sorry but i call a spade a spade.

Any spelling or grammer errors i do appologise as my meds have kicked in.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

And woe betide any railway worker that dares to correct there fictional posts with those damn annoying things called facts.

It actualy seems that Railpage has become openly ANTI railway worker.

Sorry but i call a spade a spade.

Any spelling or grammer errors i do appologise as my meds have kicked in.
Black Hoppe
It is a real problem here, and it stems from the fact we cannot identify those workers anymore. These days you get managers, coworkers (with axes to grind against aother employee), media - all quite happy to id a worker. I know of a few who have left, changed their username, or just lurk so managers within  their own organisation cannot sack or fine them. It has happened. Railpage should not cost anyone a job.

Hence we at Railpage uphold the scanity of the alias / username - which has caused a lot of  information verification issues. How do we know who anyone is here. Sure some users know others and their true identities. But it is a rule not to breach that trust on Railpage.  People have been banned for doing so.

It is a impossible task which is hard to work out. Which way do we go?  How do we know XXXX is a hardened railway worker compared to YYYY who is a gunzel, or even a average member of the public loggin on to complain about a item. Sure, the railway workers know fiction from reality. But often  can one believe them either - it might be another like minded person, who knows ?  

We have debates on registration, pre registration,  Id'ing the person before having full access etc.  perhaps a special registra done at Admin level that allows poster to have a special sig. symbol to indicate their authorised and knowledge state. Then the average poster willl know who is telling porkies or information.

Regards,
David Head
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
It is a impossible task which is hard to work out. Which way do we go?  How do we know XXXX is a hardened railway worker compared to YYYY who is a gunzel, or even a average member of the public loggin on to complain about a item. Sure, the railway workers know fiction from reality. But often  can one believe them either - it might be another like minded person, who knows ?  
Regards,
David Head
dthead
Just because you are a rail worker doesn't mean you are correct as noted by a Railpage debate on a Sydney region signal matter last year where rail staff were abusing each other about the correct action to take when in a particular situation with regard to a signal indication.
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
What a total cop out .
These two replies are the reason many who work in the industry no longer bother coming on here and giving any infomation out to the gunzel world
Petan so what makes you a expert on all things rail then eh as you are not shy about dumping multi paragraph posts on here on any topic at the drop of a hat?

Rail workers love to debate safeworking topics how the hell else do you think we have gotten the systems of safety that we have inplace at the current time from over the years, man that realy shows your ignorance of reality.

David quit the bulldust will you as you well know you can tell a railworker from a gunzel as easy as falling off a log, sure some walter mitty types bluff through for a month or so but are soon weeded out.

David
In all seriousness and with no animosity take a holiday from Railpage as you are not the same person you used to be.
  dthead Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
What a total cop out .
These two replies are the reason many who work in the industry no longer bother coming on here and giving any infomation out to the gunzel world
Petan so what makes you a expert on all things rail then eh as you are not shy about dumping multi paragraph posts on here on any topic at the drop of a hat?

Rail workers love to debate safeworking topics how the hell else do you think we have gotten the systems of safety that we have inplace at the current time from over the years, man that realy shows your ignorance of reality.

David quit the bulldust will you as you well know you can tell a railworker from a gunzel as easy as falling off a log, sure some walter mitty types bluff through for a month or so but are soon weeded out.

David
In all seriousness and with no animosity take a holiday from Railpage as you are not the same person you used to be.
Black Hoppers
"tis a sad day when a member has a go at another after I essentially agreed with your position. Even thought I do not know who you are, yet seem to know me.  Petan's point is correct, no one is is always right.

Cop out, no backhopper, reality. Users here would listen to the few who know if they actually knew who they were. But even you  need a username  that is not your real name, nor do you sign your posts with your true name to allow  others to trust your words. And I defenyt your right to be so. As I said I know of mmnagers and employee from both sides, one wants to trap a employee divulging "secrets", and the other didn't want to get sacked from his job.

How do you know  who petan really is ? Or you, or Many others?

Regards,
David Head
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Quite true David Head about not knowing who people are. I could be the chief executive officer for G&W for all those on here know. I am not, but just using it as an example. Yes even CEO's or other management types could be interested in rail other than their jobs. So you might end up arguing with your own boss or something. Not a wise move, if he finds out though is it. Yes have you opinion on something, but there are times when it does pay to be silent. If like me you have no boss to worry about then you can say what you like within reason.
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson


Now, STB was banned for a month. It's not a permanent ban.
michaelgreenhill
Been a bloody long month.

Now, I'm not blaming YOU for this, MGH, but yours was the post most convenient to quote.  I know you've nowt to do with this.

Thing is, my experience at adminning a board is a Railbastard one, not a Railpage one, so of course things are different - in most cases.  If I were an admin here, I'd modify my behaviour accordingly.  HOWEVER, one thing I would not change for a moment is that if I promise to do something, I'll bloody well do it.  This should be universal.

Sir Thomas Bent is not intending to troll here, to flame here, or anything else along those lines.  He wants to leave.  Thing is, he wants to leave on his own terms, and with some dignity left intact.  It was only, in the last day or two, that through "diplomatic channels" between Railbastard and Railpage, a mod here was able to have STB's ban lifted.  

RP admin fail, IMHO.  Promise something?  Then do it.  Not hard.
  Sir Thomas Bent Minister for Railways

Location: Banned
Time to address some of the complete bollocks and glib self-justfications that was discussed in my name, and set the record straight.

Lately, I've been posting less and less, based on the fact that the idiot-to-intelligence ratio had been going rather rapidly in the direction of idiot.  The bizarre behaviour of bevans, including some massive overreactions to minor criticism had me thinking that what was a decent online community was now a circle-jerk of pompous, self-indulgent fools who had little critical thinking abilities, and got overly excited over anything that involved trains.


On the 28th of April, I came home from a long shift to find that I had a significant warning from dthead. To say that the accompanying PM was unintelligible, cryptic garbage was an understatement. Reading the PM a few times (it does take that long to actually decipher his posts), then reading a thread in which dthead had just removed everything I'd posted in it, without consideration or care for the content or any of the snide attacks I or anyone else copped, I concluded that in his mind, he had a grudge against me personally, and it was the straw that broke the camel's back, as it were.

So, I sent him a PM saying, in part:

...And it took me a while to figure out what you were saying as it was not actually a sentence, then a while longer to figure out what thread you were on about.  The I noticed that rather than actually read anything I posted, you deleted everything, including factual information.
Yet snide comments like "you don't get it" from The Vinelander slide.  But that's OK.  I'd expect nothing better...

It's been fun, but I'm no longer posting, and I'm removing any information I've posted that hasn't been quoted.

It's an internet forum, and it's changed, and not for the better - and I don't wish for any informative posts to be part of it.  Is it a bit of a dummy-spit? Yep.  Do I care? Nope.  It seems that flagging stupid comments only works when someone else gets slightly offended and it's not me, but stupidity and idiocy reign supreme.

One final thing: Remove my Flickr feed, or I'll change the images.
"In a PM, I"


Pretty clear as to my intentions, I thought.  


So, on that, I slept the sleep of someone who'd worked 12 hours straight.


Got back in, logged in to change my signature to indicate that I was no longer contactable, and noticed a ban message.

"F**k 'em", I thought. "Prefer RB anyway - at least there's grown-ups there and people behave a lot better". Wonder if he's had the courtesy to remove my Flickr, like I asked?  Nope.  It took several messages to have that done.

So someone gets banned, and RP will keep your Flickr posts.  

I was expecting someone to stick up for me, and props to TheLoadedDog™ and heisdeadjim.  

Let's look at some of the posts.  What is interesting is that I was reading this and wondering how much self-serving rubbish admins could post in trying to cover dthead's asre.

At 11:30pm after an exhausting weekend I wasn't about to dig through mod forum archives or through our ban list to find a tenuous link between TLD™™ and one of our members, especially since I do not know most of our membership. Now that I have done so, it's obvious. I'd appreciate you not jumping to conclusions next time.
"Gunzhill"
What a load of twaddle.  You and I both know that there's a specific warning log post in Club Mod, and it's maybe one or two clicks, and dthead would have posted about it.  

You know that I know a little more about how Club Mod works.

Now, STB was banned for a month.
"Gunzhill"
Again, bollocks.  It was a permanent ban, which only admins can do here.

He has been given warning after warning about his behaviour and it hasn't changed, and what are warnings without consequences?
"Gunzhill"
Oh, puh-leeeze.
Wasn't given that many.  It was only after certain events happened outside of RP that I copped about three, which went from 0 to 100%.

Actual negotiation, backing worse attacks on me (I usually had to kick up a lot to stop worse personal abuse), and speaking to me like an adult might just have worked.  As it was, being condescended by a barely literate fool isn't going to work.  

It's funny, because treating people like grown-ups works somewhere else.


I'm going to ignore the rest of the self-serving justifications, aside from one bit of dthead's rubbish, and that's him slagging Railbastard.  

Railpage is not the Railbastard type of forum.
"dthead"
Never tried to be, but you miss the point. We cater for everyone, but we expect people not to be idiots, and we treat everyone there as grown-ups.  It wasn't necessary to make the comparison, and that sort of malarkey is souring RB's admins toward you.



I'm flouncing off now.  It's been fun, but what was a community, where I've made friends off-line and had some enjoyable moments and hopefully helped a lot of you, has entropied into a reacharound of pompous tools, kids who fake Apsperger's Syndrome for attention and a few people who hang on for a return of a decent site that isn't coming back.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
Wonder if he's had the courtesy to remove my Flickr, like I asked?  Nope.  It took several messages to have that done.
Sir Thomas Bent
Because only I can do that, as there aren't any tools to do it yourself. It's in the job queue but I've not gotten around to it.

What a load of twaddle.  You and I both know that there's a specific warning log post in Club Mod, and it's maybe one or two clicks, and dthead would have posted about it.
Sir Thomas Bent
So what? I still wasn't about to go and look. My time is not beholden to the whims of this site's members, at least not while I'm volunteering it to run this site.

Again, bollocks.  It was a permanent ban, which only admins can do here.
Sir Thomas Bent
I was lead to believe this was an automatic ban, which are applied whenever warning levels reach 100% and can be applied by both Admins and Moderators. Looking through your warnings history I see that was not the case.

At the end of the day I'm sorry to see you go, but if that's truly the way you feel then we won't stop you.
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

And another grown-up leaves...

This place is slowly dying.

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