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  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
No time for either Gillard or Rudd.  ...
Carnot
Carrot, so somehow Amanda Vanstone is meant to balance the ledger Idea


Meanwhile what of Abbott - higher ground (with that smirk)... sport you have gotta be...

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  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
Someone should replay all those caring, sharing (respectful) moments when the minority government was being negotiated. There was even a glimmer of idealism that things could go beyond partisan politics.

However Tony Abbott wasn't picked to captain and spent the next years trashing the game. Julia Gillard doing a juggling act to get legislation through resulted in some very poor compromises which just undermines her credibility and plays into the hands of the cock jocks.

What's most annoying is that when you listen to most independent commentators much of the negativity is completely out of proportion to reality.

As a former RW media guru said...

“It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.”
cootanee

So what do you expect Abbott to do, congratulate Jules for doing such a wonderful job? which clearly she isn't no matter how hard you try to kid yourself-just ask most people in the Labor party for a start.

She and this Labor party would have to be the most dysfunctional, chaotic and devisive Government Australia has ever had but you seem to be implying that it is Abbott's fault because he is not sharing the love around.

Just accept that you are a rusted on Labor supporter because you don't seem to be looking at things critically and objectively.
  Black Hoppers Chief Train Controller

Location: Banned
So what do you expect Abbott to do, congratulate Jules for doing such a wonderful job? which clearly she isn't no matter how hard you try to kid yourself-just ask most people in the Labor party for a start.

She and this Labor party would have to be the most dysfunctional, chaotic and devisive Government Australia has ever had but you seem to be implying that it is Abbott's fault because he is not sharing the love around.

Just accept that you are a rusted on Labor supporter because you don't seem to be looking at things critically and objectively.
"2301"


Just accept that you are only here on Railpage to cause trouble for others that do not agree with your Rusted On Liberal party mouthpiece attitude.

I just looked up your posting history and surprise surprise you only ever post on anti labour threads, I for one are calling you out on the Liberal party stooge /troll that you are now be a good troll and find a bridge to hide under.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
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Just accept that you are a rusted on Labor supporter because you don't seem to be looking at things critically and objectively.
2301

Critically? Objectively? Like some of the rusted on views posted here. Yep the boat hordes are coming to take everything and make us all Muslim - how can anyone challenge that Surprised.

Lets face it anyone moderate let alone remotely progressive gets labelled a socialist or commo by the same people who take offence at the reverse logic.

Oh well...

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/im-sorry-but-ive-had-to-take-humour-off-the-menu-20130616-2ocfo.html
  TheLoadedDog The Ghost of George Stephenson

Just as anybody even slightly to the right of centre (or hell, even centre these days) gets called shrill, far right, lunar right, redneck, racist, etc, etc.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
Just as anybody even slightly to the right of centre (or hell, even centre these days) gets called shrill, far right, lunar right, redneck, racist, etc, etc.
TheLoadedDog™™

Are there any left Wink

I voted for the Libs under Malcolm Fraser (i.e. before he had that road to Damascus experience). Quite ironic now Smile
  Dungog Diesel Junior Train Controller

Just as anybody even slightly to the right of centre (or hell, even centre these days) gets called shrill, far right, lunar right, redneck, racist, etc, etc.
"TheLoadedDog™"


Very true. There's a tendency on each side of politics to massively over-exaggerate the extreme nature of the other side's views. It's a pretty cheap way to win an argument. I label myself as moderate, or perhaps very slightly to the left. However, I don't blindly adopt any position, I try to consider the evidence. Surely that's what any supposedly rational, intelligent human being does? Plus, if I feel I'm losing an argument, I try not to resort to cheap "You're a right-wing racist redneck"/"You're a left-wing socialist commie" lines to discredit the other side.

Many RP posters are great at this. Others - both left and right - are definitely not. Their posts are so infuriatingly hyperbolic, unsupportable and extreme that they border on the ridiculous.

Oh and when a thread gets locked because of the mindless stupidity of some of these posters? Bah, never mind! They just start a new one under a slightly different name!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Are there any left Wink

I voted for the Libs under Malcolm Fraser (i.e. before he had that road to Damascus experience). Quite ironic now Smile
cootanee

I think history has forgiven Fraser - let's face it, he was practically a socialist in comparison to Hawke/Keating.  My parents were rusted-on working class Labor and they ended up hating the party, they felt betrayed by Hawke.

While we are on the topic, I've actually come to appreciate Menzies as a really great man in Australian history - if you look at some of his accomplishments he was a social liberal who spent big to build up infrastructure for our nation.  The current mob don't resemble him at all.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
I think history has forgiven Fraser - let's face it, he was practically a socialist in comparison to Hawke/Keating.  My parents were rusted-on working class Labor and they ended up hating the party, they felt betrayed by Hawke.

While we are on the topic, I've actually come to appreciate Menzies as a really great man in Australian history - if you look at some of his accomplishments he was a social liberal who spent big to build up infrastructure for our nation.  The current mob don't resemble him at all.
don_dunstan

Are we talking about the same 1975 Fraser Confused

I though Gough was the devil incarnate and voted for Fraser. During my early working life on the wrong side of the average wage without a strong union I saw them oppose every national wage case rise, kill medibank and oppose me getting superannuation - I learnt where I stood.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
I hate the lot of them Labor, Liberal, green or cream. Most are one trick ponies at best and out to get the most for themselves and bugga the rest of you. They are all the same loads of hot air at the best of times. None of them would really rate a kick in a riot. I would not vote for any of them and I don't either. Why make me waste of my good time putting pen to paper when all they do is argue between themselves when the country needs a bit of guidance. To hell with the lot of them I say.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Are we talking about the same 1975 Fraser Confused

I though Gough was the devil incarnate and voted for Fraser. During my early working life on the wrong side of the average wage without a strong union I saw them oppose every national wage case rise, kill medibank and oppose me getting superannuation - I learnt where I stood.
cootanee

That's an interesting story Cootanee.  Obviously not 1975 Fraser (!), he was a bit too power-hungry but he did get a bit more moderate before being kicked out.  I remember the "wage pause" because my old man went crook about it - I can also recall the dismissal because I remember it being on the TV and my parents going ballistic.  Gough was too arrogant though, he didn't see it coming.  

I have a working class background myself, my paternal Grandfather was a very working class bloke; he drove cranes for a living.  This was in the days when Melbourne was dotted with lots of factories that actually made things; he drove cranes in a foundry that drop-forged tools (imagine that in this country!).  I still recall going to visit him at his work just before he retired, it must have been the mid-seventies.  Talking about Fraser and my grandparents, I have a story about this myself.

My grandmother claimed to have met Malcolm Fraser several times as he used to like staying at the Windsor Hotel in Spring Street where she was a night supervisor until about 1977.  She told me a story years ago about his staying there during election night (I think) 1975 and he burst out his room while she was walking down the corridor and shook her hand as he had just heard that he won the election.

Grandma turned around to him and said "I'm sorry I didn't vote for you!" but she said he was so ecstatic that he didn't take any notice.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I've met Fraser several times, hell of a good bloke, always good for a chat/yarn/story. Met Gough a couple of times too, once on a Canberra bowling green! Another man well worth having a talk to, or maybe I mean getting spoken to by, it was a bit like that, but still interesting and entertaining.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Likewise, I met Fraser many times. He had received training in media presentation from a well-known Melbourne Film/TV director, and would do these 'address to the nation' broadcasts from his office in Treasury Place. I ran the outside broadcast outfit that always did the recordings. So we, the crew of about 15 people, would record the broadcast in the morning and then sit down to a small lunch in his office. All sorts of topics would come up for discussion, but I do remember one passionate argument that broke out over Ducati motorcycles, with Fraser defending them against a grip who was less enthusiastic. Fraser was quite affable.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
I hate the lot of them Labor, Liberal, green or cream. Most are one trick ponies at best and out to get the most for themselves and bugga the rest of you. They are all the same loads of hot air at the best of times. None of them would really rate a kick in a riot. I would not vote for any of them and I don't either. Why make me waste of my good time putting pen to paper when all they do is argue between themselves when the country needs a bit of guidance. To hell with the lot of them I say.
David Peters

I believe as individuals there are many politicians there 'to make a difference'. Watch or listen to some in a professional interview - I've been impressed with viewpoints and how cases are argued from both sides. If parliament was full of Joes, Malcolms, Tanyas and Bills who knows.

REALITY...  

However as a group we see them perform the way the public through the media reward. What makes the headlines, editorials and talk back accelerates the race to the bottom. My concern is that at what point is the rip cord pulled Sad

To quote Abraham Lincoln...

“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.”
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
I believe as individuals there are many politicians there 'to make a difference'. Watch or listen to some in a professional interview - I've been impressed with viewpoints and how cases are argued from both sides. If parliament was full of Joes, Malcolms, Tanyas and Bills who knows.

REALITY...  

However as a group we see them perform the way the public through the media reward. What makes the headlines, editorials and talk back accelerates the race to the bottom. My concern is that at what point is the rip cord pulled Sad

To quote Abraham Lincoln...

“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.”
cootanee

Would you like to shut the media down and have a central command instead?  It might be dangerous if someone expresses an opinion contrary to yours.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
Would you like to shut the media down and have a central command instead?  It might be dangerous if someone expresses an opinion contrary to yours.
2301
Yep A+B = Z Exclamation

OK I know when I'm out debated Sad

P.S. Start a thread on boat people and argue your case. However shock jock opinions are mostly not 100% factual.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I met Fraser during the 1983 election campaign with Dad for a meet and greet on the street - I was still in Primary School.  What I remember is that Fraser was very tall and there were dozens of "No Dams" protesters hanging around waving their bright triangular placards and being kept at bay by the cops.

Quite a few traditional Lib voters swung their vote to Hawke over the whole Franklin Dam issue.  Fraser didn't want to upset the Tasmanian Lib Premier, Robin Gray.

I personally met Bob Hawke in the 1987 campaign.  He was surprisingly short in stature (shorter than Johnny Howard).
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I met Fraser during the 1983 election campaign with Dad for a meet and greet on the street - I was still in Primary School.  What I remember is that Fraser was very tall and there were dozens of "No Dams" protesters hanging around waving their bright triangular placards and being kept at bay by the cops.

Quite a few traditional Lib voters swung their vote to Hawke over the whole Franklin Dam issue.  Fraser didn't want to upset the Tasmanian Lib Premier, Robin Gray.

I personally met Bob Hawke in the 1987 campaign.  He was surprisingly short in stature (shorter than Johnny Howard).
"Carnot"

If you thought Fraser was big you should have met Whitlam, even when I saw him he is still a giant of a man. I saw Hawke on the TV recently, he's starting to look a little frail these days, I think Nicola Roxon introduced the plain pack cigarettes (well cigars for Bob) too late.

However, I did just find this photo, seems Tony is not such a trendsetter...

  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
It can be quite revealing separating political exterior from the inner persona especially once they are out of politics. (Maybe not for some...) Gough is respected , Fraser's humanity is recognised, Hawke and Keating's economic courage is acknowledged, John Howard's conviction after Port Arthur is praised

However as they are meant to be tough politicians and that inner persona breaks through - what do we do Rolling Eyes
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
Yep A+B = Z Exclamation

OK I know when I'm out debated Sad

P.S. Start a thread on boat people and argue your case. However shock jock opinions are mostly not 100% factual.
cootanee
The very people you are objecting to expressing their opinion are only doing what you are doing here.  Yet you are advocating controlling the media so that it is sanitised to a point that you feel comfortable with.

What about the left wing shock jocks out there?  Hello bloody Triple JJJJJJJJ. Why don't you ring up the Parrot and give him a serve?  It would make for compelling listening anyway.
  2301 Train Controller

Location: Banned
It can be quite revealing separating political exterior from the inner persona especially once they are out of politics. (Maybe not for some...) Gough is respected , Fraser's humanity is recognised, Hawke and Keating's economic courage is acknowledged, John Howard's conviction after Port Arthur is praised

However as they are meant to be tough politicians and that inner persona breaks through - what do we do Rolling Eyes
cootanee

I believe we can thank all these people for a lot of the problems we face today with regards to the de-industrialisation of our economy.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting for the sky to fall, the seas to rise... and seeing a train on the SSFL!
The very people you are objecting to expressing their opinion are only doing what you are doing here.  Yet you are advocating controlling the media so that it is sanitised to a point that you feel comfortable with.

What about the left wing shock jocks out there?  Hello bloody Triple JJJJJJJJ. Why don't you ring up the Parrot and give him a serve?  It would make for compelling listening anyway.
230

I thought you were advocating that I was advocating controlling the media Confused

Please dig up that post by all means.

Triple J
Laughing
I'm not going to engage with you 2301 over this. People can read the posts and make what they will.

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