Another AN Timetable Question

 
  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Hi all,

Was wondering whether anyone had AN timetable with passenger times for the Victor Harbor line and if they would be happy to post up the arrivals and departures on this thread.

Cheers

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  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
I can give you times from 10/7/1977, that probably changed towards the end of AN though when they didn't want people (or anything with legs and less than the size of a container) to travel by train:-

Depart Adelaide and arrive Victor Harbor (in brackets):-
Mon - Fri:- 5.45pm (8.44pm).
Sat (2 trains):- 9.00am (12.01pm) and 12.55pm (3.52pm).
Sun:- 6.10pm (9.04pm).

Depart Victor Harbor and arrive Adelaide (in brackets):-
Mon - Fri:- 7.43am (10.29am).
Sat (2 trains):- 7.58am (10.48am) and 5.10pm (8.05pm).
Sun:- 5.04pm (7.57pm).

During school and college xmas vacation from late Dec to early Feb and extra daily train departs Adelaide at approx 9.30am Mon to Fri, returning from Victor Harbor at approx 5.00pm for Adelaide. Please check the day and time before travel.

Taken from 1977 STA - Rail Division Time Table and Fares book.

Hope this helps.

Wayne
  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Thank you very much Wayne! Much appreciated

Cheers
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
1981 TT issued for the VH line.  Also the final TT.

Services scheduled on 4 days each week.

Adelaide - Victor Harbor

SAT, SUN, MON : Dep  9:13. Arrive  12:05
FRI : 2 services. Dep 6:41, 17:45. Arrive 9:32, 20:48

Victor Harbor - Adelaide

SAT, MON : Dep 16:00. Arrive 18:54
FRI : Dep 9:40. Arrive 12:28
SUN: Dep 16:00. Arrive 18:44

Victor Harbor passenger service ceased 1984.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Interesting fact is that the train took near on 3 hours for what is a 75minute drive by car
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
Interesting fact is that the train took near on 3 hours for what is a 75minute drive by car
Pressman
132kms by rail compared to about 85kms by road.
The drive might 75 minute today, may have been a bit longer in 1980 and would have taken longer the further you went back.
Not disagreeing, just making a comparison.

Wayne
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Driver

Hi I was comparing the 1977 timetable that Wayne posted to the 1971 Victor Harbour timetable and was interested to learn that both were almost identical. Here's the full schedule effective from the 4th of July 1971..

SOUTH AUSTRALIAN RAILWAYS
ADELAIDE-VICTOUR HARBOUR PASSENGER TIMETABLE – 1971

Monday to Fridays
Saturdays
Saturdays
Sundays
ADELAIDE- VICTOR HARBOR
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN RAILWAYS SERVICE
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN RAILWAYS SERVICE
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN RAILWAYS SERVICE
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN RAILWAYS SERVICE

Passenger
Passenger
Passenger
Passenger
ADELAIDE (RRR)
1745
0900
1255
1810
MITCHAM
b
b
b
b
EDEN HILLS
-
-
b
-
BLACKWOOD
-
-
b
-
BELAIR
b
b
b
-
MOUNT LOFTY
1830
b
b
-
ALDGATE
1836
b
b
-
BRIDGEWATER
1841
B
b
b
AMBLESIDE
*
*
b
*
BALHANNAH
*
1012
*
*
MT. BARKER JUNCTION
1858
1019
1408
1921
LITTLEHAMPTON
*
-
*
*
MOUNT BARKER
1908
1029
1418
1930
PHILCOX HILL
*
-
*
*
BUGLE RANGES
*
-
*
*
STRATHALBYN
1942
1102
1451
2003
LOWANNA
-
-
-
-
SANDERGROVE
*
-
*
*
FINNISS
1957
1117
1506
2018
GILBERTS
*
-
*
*
CURRENCY CREEK
2007
-
1516
2028
GOOLWA
2017
1136
1526
2038
MIDDLETON
2026
1145
1535
2047
PORT ELLIOT
2033
1151
1541
2053
81m 25c stop
a
a
a
a
VICTOR HARBOUR
2041
1159
1549
2101

SOUTH AUSTRALIAN RAILWAYS
VICTOR HARBOUR-ADELAIDE PASSENGER TIMETABLE – 1971

Monday to Fridays
Saturdays
Saturdays
Sundays
VICTOR HARBOUR-
ADELAIDE
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN RAILWAYS SERVICE
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN RAILWAYS SERVICE
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN RAILWAYS SERVICE
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN RAILWAYS SERVICE

Passenger
Passenger
Passenger
Passenger
VICTOR HARBOUR
0745
0800
1725
1705
81m 25c stop
b
b
b
b
PORT ELLIOT
0753
0808
1733
1713
MIDDLETON
0757
0812
1737
1717
GOOLWA
0806
0821
1746
1726
CURRENCY CREEK
0815
0830
1755
1735
GILBERTS
*
*
*
*
FINNISS
0825
0840
1805
1745
SANDERGROVE
*
*
*
*
LOWANNA
-
-
-
-
STRATHALBYN
0840
0855
1820
1800
BUGLE RANGES
*
*
*
*
PHILCOX HILL
*
*
*
*
MOUNT BARKER
0916
0931
1855
1836
LITTLEHAMPTON
*
*
*
*
MT. BARKER JUNCTION
0925
0940
1904
1845
BALHANNAH
*
*
*
a
AMBLESIDE
*
*
*
a
BRIDGEWATER
a
1000
1921*
1904
CARRIPOOK
-
-
*
-
JIBILLA
-
-
*
-
ALDGATE
a
1004
1927
a
MADURTA
-
-
*
-
HEATHFIELD
-
-
*
-
MOUNT LOFTY
a
1010
*
a
UPPER STURT
-
-
*
-
LONG GULLY
-
-
*
-
NATIONAL PARK
-
-
-
-
BELAIR
a
a
*
a
BLACKWOOD
-
a
*
a
EDEN HILLS
-
a
*
a
MITCHAM
A
a
2008
1944
GOODWOOD
-
a
2013
1949
ADELAIDE (RRR)
1037
1048
2020
1955
EXTRA SEASONAL VICTOR HARBOUR TRAINS. During the schools and Colleges Christmas vacation from mid-December to early February a DAILY TRAIN departs Adelaide at approximately 0850 for Victor Harbour, returning at 1700 for Adelaide.

* Stop if required to pick up or set down passengers

a Stop if required to set down passengers

b Stop if required to pick up passengers
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
If anyone's curious, I can dig up the Strathalbyn to Milang TT from 1967
  blue520 Train Controller

Where about was the 81m 25c stop in the 1971 timetable? Is this right near the Hindmarsh River Bridge?
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Where about was the 81m 25c stop in the 1971 timetable? Is this right near the Hindmarsh River Bridge?
blue520
Blue520.

The train did stop there by prior arrangment, it was sometimes referred to as Adare.
The train could also be booked to stop or pick up at St Lukes just west of Port Elliott. I once assisted with a youth camp at St Lukes, I don't know how the kids got there, but I did flag the train down on the last morning to board the kids; prior arrangements had been made. The train was an 830 and two steel cars, that was in 1980. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be!

The 1971 timetable was as I remember it through the 60s, give or take a few minutes.

BTW. a 520 would have looked interesting in Blue, my preferrence would have been black with green valances continued across the tender and white lining out. Hawthorn green wheels with white tyres would have looked smart.

Regards
Ian
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The Victor Harbor timetable as steam4ian pointed out was the same for decades almost, simply because the service fitted the likes of the few passengers that used it. So why change it, if it ain't broke. Bluebirds were the main ones to Victor Harbor with a head end train on holiday times etc or when patronage got heavy.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

The Victor Harbor timetable as steam4ian pointed out was the same for decades almost, simply because the service fitted the likes of the few passengers that used it. So why change it, if it ain't broke. Bluebirds were the main ones to Victor Harbor with a head end train on holiday times etc or when patronage got heavy.
David Peters
David

Brill 75s were the main stay of the services except the Saturday morning and holiday trains until the Brills were withdrawn. BBs were used towards the end of the Brills; a driver told me that locals used to listen to the horn and if it was a BB on the evening train they would decide to go to Adelaide the next morning. Once the Brills were withdrawn a loco and one/two cars and a brake were substituted, sometimes even an air con BD car. On these occasions the loco was generally and 830. Otherwise loco hauled consists were generally powered by a 930, with about 5-6 cars.
During the late 60s there was considerable parcel traffic with loading often spilling out of the baggage compartment and taking up one or two seat bays. I did hear elsewhere that for a period there was a particularly aggressive Station Master at VH; he even had beer to a local pub supplied by rail. (Unlike some of the discussion on the OL thread some people don't give up without a fight)

Regards
Ian
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Driver

If anyone's curious, I can dig up the Strathalbyn to Milang TT from 1967
2001

Hi Moderator,

I'd be intersted in looking at your 1967 timetable to Milang so if you can post it that'd be much appreciated. Laughing
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Hi Moderator,

I'd be intersted in looking at your 1967 timetable to Milang so if you can post it that'd be much appreciated. Laughing
Southern Aurora
SATURDAYS

Dep STRATH 11:20 AM.    SANDERGROVE 11:35.    Arr MILANG 11:57

                 3:10 PM .............................3:25......................3:47


TUES/WEDS

                11:45 AM.............................12:00.....................12:22.PM


FRIDAY    

               12:45 PM.............................1:00........................1:22

                   8:30 PM.............................8:45........................9:07
__________________________________________________________________

SATURDAYS

Dep. MILANG 5:10PM             SANDERGROVE 5:33       Arr STRATH 5:45


TUES/WEDS/SAT

                    1:35PM.................................1:59.........................2:12

FRIDAY

                    2:07PM.................................2:22.........................2:45

                    9:40PM................................10:06..........................10:18

____________________________________________________________________

All services to stop if required to pick up  or set down passenges at

LOWANNA.     NURRAGI      PUNKULDE
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Driver

SATURDAYS

Dep STRATH 11:20 AM.    SANDERGROVE 11:35.    Arr MILANG 11:57

                3:10 PM .............................3:25......................3:47


TUES/WEDS

               11:45 AM.............................12:00.....................12:22.PM


FRIDAY    

              12:45 PM.............................1:00........................1:22

                  8:30 PM.............................8:45........................9:07
__________________________________________________________________

SATURDAYS

Dep. MILANG 5:10PM             SANDERGROVE 5:33       Arr STRATH 5:45


TUES/WEDS/SAT

                   1:35PM.................................1:59.........................2:12

FRIDAY

                   2:07PM.................................2:22.........................2:45

                   9:40PM................................10:06..........................10:18

____________________________________________________________________

All services to stop if required to pick up  or set down passenges at

LOWANNA.     NURRAGI      PUNKULDE
2001

Thanks so much for that.. that's very helpful. Would that have been a Mixed train or a Brill Railcar? It seems like it was run at unattractive travelling times for the public!
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Post war the only thing stationed at Strath for the Milang service was a Brill.

The small amount of freight generally offering was pulled by the Brill, one loaded O class gondola was the limit. I guess you could call that a "mixed". If more freight was on offer an Rx would have had to come from Adelaide; heavier engines were generally used on the VH freight and the axle loading of these would have put them in the mud on the Milang line.

The times seemed to suit(?) the locals for shopping in Strath; the entire population of Milang would have just filled the Brill.

Milang's time passed when the paddle steamers no longer served places on the lakes, such is modern transport, more convenient but no longer "romantic".
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Driver

Post war the only thing stationed at Strath for the Milang service was a Brill.

The small amount of freight generally offering was pulled by the Brill, one loaded O class gondola was the limit. I guess you could call that a "mixed". If more freight was on offer an Rx would have had to come from Adelaide; heavier engines were generally used on the VH freight and the axle loading of these would have put them in the mud on the Milang line.

The times seemed to suit(?) the locals for shopping in Strath; the entire population of Milang would have just filled the Brill.

Milang's time passed when the paddle steamers no longer served places on the lakes, such is modern transport, more convenient but no longer "romantic".
steam4ian

Thanks for the info,
I've never been to Milang, and just assumed that there would have been trains that arrived into Adelaide for the start of weekday buisness; and returned in the evening given the relatively short distance Milang is from Adelaide. Obviously the size of the town and the curves and gradients of the Adelaide Hills never warranted a commuter type service.
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Most ot the Milang services were timetabled specifically to allow passengers to transfer to/from the Adelaide to Victor service.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
Interesting fact is that the train took near on 3 hours for what is a 75minute drive by car
Pressman

And people wonder why there's no passenger services on this line now Wink
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Thanks for the info,
I've never been to Milang, and just assumed that there would have been trains that arrived into Adelaide for the start of weekday buisness; and returned in the evening given the relatively short distance Milang is from Adelaide. Obviously the size of the town and the curves and gradients of the Adelaide Hills never warranted a commuter type service.
Southern Aurora
Milang may well be only 75 kilometres from central Adelaide by road on the modern routes (longer and slower without the SE Freeway and Adelaide-Crafers Highway) but it is only recently that places like Milang (previously just a holiday town people travelled to) have started to be inhabited by commuters pushed out of Adelaide by rising property prices. The concept of a 75+ kilometre commute would have been absurd!

For people from there needing to travel by train for business in Adelaide 40 years ago, the normal expectation would have been simply not to make appointments too early for the 10:37 arrival, or to be prepared to travel the previous day and stay overnight if being ready for an early start was necessary.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Most ot the Milang services were timetabled specifically to allow passengers to transfer to/from the Adelaide to Victor service.
2001

Read the time tables Mr 2001 Moderator. They, not me, will tell you your assertion is wrong. Only the Saturday train connected

Ian
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Most ot the Milang services were timetabled specifically to allow passengers to transfer to/from the Adelaide to Victor service.

Read the time tables Mr 2001 Moderator. They, not me, will tell you your assertion is wrong. Only the Saturday train connected

Ian
  2001 Moderator The Snow Lord

Location: The road jump at Charlotte Pass. Paxman Valenta on two planks.
Read the time tables Mr 2001 Moderator. They, not me, will tell you your assertion is wrong. Only the Saturday train connected

Ian
steam4ian
1967 SAR TT.

FRDAY . Depart Adelaide 6:10 PM for Victor.  Arrive Stratalbyn 8:07 PM.  Railcar to Milang Depart  8:30 PM

Seems we're both wrong.

I've Left half the humble pie for yourself.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

1967 SAR TT.

FRDAY . Depart Adelaide 6:10 PM for Victor.  Arrive Stratalbyn 8:07 PM.  Railcar to Milang Depart  8:30 PM

Seems we're both wrong.

I've Left half the humble pie for yourself.
2001

I'll have while it is still warm. Smile
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Driver

Does anybody have information on the stations AN trains stopped at on the Victor Harbour line prior to the withdrawal of services in 1984? (ie last timetable between Adelaide & Victor?)

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