Got a response from PTV regarding the off-peak fare rule. Here is what they said:

Apologies if this has been discussed.

What would happen if I board an Intercity service with First Class at Bendigo after touching on.
I then sit in the first class carriage.

Presumably the conductor will use his scanner to see that I have touched on, but not paid for the first class upgrade.

Firstly, am I fined for fare evasion, or will I be able to upgrade on the spot?

XXXXlbear
Link: V/Line and Myki
Paper ticehts will be available for some time, as the last paragraph says.

And paper tickets will need to be bought for Intercity services such as Albury and Warrnambool.

Thanks guys
Mark

You did not read the Transport (Compliance and Miscellaneous) Act 1983 CONDITIONS UNDER SECTION 220D

Quote- Transport (Compliance and Miscellaneous) Act 1983

CONDITIONS UNDER SECTION 220D

I, Jim Betts, Secretary to the Department of Transport, pursuant to section 220D of the Transport (Compliance and Miscellaneous) Act 1983, hereby determine and publish in the Government Gazette the following conditions (the 2013 Miscellaneous Amending Conditions – Myki) which amend the conditions under section 220D of the Transport (Compliance and Miscellaneous) Act 1983 contained in the Victorian Fares and Ticketing Manual (myki) (effective 1 January 2013) published in the Victoria Government Gazette No. S 450 dated Friday 21 December 2012.

The 2013 Miscellaneous Amending Conditions – Myki take effect from and including 22 March 2013.

Dated 22 March 2013

In Chapter 3 of the Myki Manual, under the heading ‘Automatic fare calculation’, in the first paragraph under the heading ‘Off-peak discounts’ delete ‘on V/Line services’ " - http://www.gazette.vic.gov.au/gazette/Gazettes2013/GG2013S103.pdf

MYKI does not care if you travel on V/Line or another service, for example if Metro run  a service to Geelong and you travel on Metro service  from Melbourne and then you should get charge a off-peak fare.

Look at the fare table. Where does it say off-peak fare apply to metropolitan services?

It says later on, after the fares table, that off peak fares apply for travel in more than two zones.  Doesn't say regional or metropolitan, just more than two zones, i.e. 3+.

MYKI does not care if you travel on V/Line or another service, for example if Metro run  a service to Geelong and you travel on Metro service  from Melbourne and then you should get charge a off-peak fare.

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It appears I got mixed up when I said that the off-peak fare only applies to certain legs of your trip. If your trip includes travel on V/Line, the metro/regional town bus travel will be included in the fare like what happens now.

melbtrip, please check your facts before you post next time. I still think you're assuming that 'delete on V/Line services' means that the off-peak discount applies to all trips covering 3 zones or more.

I'm putting my case to rest before I repeat myself.

There is a table for both metropolitan and regional services.



Scratch what I just said regarding the quote above. myki knows which modes you used and where/which services you touched on and off. As proof, here is some of my transaction history. Pay particular attention to what is listed in the "Service" and "Description" columns.

Date	Time	Transaction Type	Service	Zone	Description
14/06/2013	08:05:15	Touch off	Tram	1	Melbourne City,Route 70down
14/06/2013	08:00:20	Touch on	Tram	1	Melbourne City,Route 70down
14/06/2013	07:58:11	Touch off*	Train	1	Flinders Street Station
14/06/2013	06:50:52	Touch on	Train	2	Sunbury Station

Here is official rule of off-peak for myki: - Victorian Fares and Ticketing Manual (myki) gazette

Off-peak discounts page 22 of the  Victorian fares and ticketing manual (myki)
Fares for all journeys in more than two zones receive an off-peak discount, except where touch off
occurs within Zone 1 before 9am on a business day or touch on occurs within Zone 1 between 4pm
and 6pm on a business day.

The discount for off-peak travel is 30 per cent (this is applied after any concession discount).
Customers who do not touch on and off correctly will be charged a peak fare.
For customers travelling off-peak, the equivalent peak fare contributes toward the Daily cap, even
though they are paying a reduced fare. For example when a full fare customer travels three zones
off-peak, 100 per cent of the standard fare will be counted towards the Daily cap even though only
70 per cent of the standard fare has been paid.

Here is official rule of off-peak for myki - Victorian Fares and Ticketing Manual (myki) gazette

Off-peak discounts page 22 of the  Victorian fares and ticketing manual (myki)
Fares for all journeys in more than two zones receive an off-peak discount, except where touch off
occurs within Zone 1 before 9am on a business day or touch on occurs within Zone 1 between 4pm
and 6pm on a business day.

The discount for off-peak travel is 30 per cent (this is applied after any concession discount).
Customers who do not touch on and off correctly will be charged a peak fare.
For customers travelling off-peak, the equivalent peak fare contributes toward the Daily cap, even
though they are paying a reduced fare. For example when a full fare customer travels three zones
off-peak, 100 per cent of the standard fare will be counted towards the Daily cap even though only
70 per cent of the standard fare has been paid.

I will not argue any more as I will just be repeating myself. You believe what you want to believe.

I will believe what PTV has told me, and what it says on the website.

If it's false, so be it. It's their problem, not ours.

This infomation also on thier website too - http://ptv.vic.gov.au/tickets/victorian-fares-and-ticketing-manual/

It is interesting to note that Myki zones 1/2 fares are NOT published as peak/off peak fares

Is there a special fare for a left arm bowler with red hair,  operating around the wicket at the Kirkstall Lane end, to two slips, a gully, and a right hand Presbyterian batsman?
It's as simple as a lot of other parts of the Myki fiasco.

But more importantly we have the second Touch off and on at Seymour Station at 8:14 and 8:16:27. They weren't at Seymour Station; They were on the Conductors Handheld; the train had already left, and I was most certainly on it.

I didn't mention this previously but when he first checked my card he said it wasn't touched on (all he did was hold the card to his reader) but I definitely touched on at the platform reader (at 7:54:42, after realising the entire town of Seymour was closed), and got on the train to await it's departure at 8:12AM since the train was way warmer than outside. He then manually touched my card on at 8:16:27, I saw him push the "Touch on" button on his screen.

Unless he wasn't in the right screen or mode, but it's actually a tad scary that the hand held can touch you OFF without anyone realising it's doing so.
Guess it was first day teething problems. Find it interesting that the Hand Held can touch you both OFF and ON, and that it says "Seymour Station". Does it get this location from GPS? Or does the Conductor set it?

Earlybird only applies to Metro trips.  A V/line trip will charge for all zones travelled through at any time.