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  a6et Minister for Railways

My non-query was clearly related to VR - do you have any VR documents you can refer to?  The 1953 GA refers to "Brake Vans" but I am sure various employees had their own nicknames.

Mark
LaidlayM
Sorry Mark, no documentation especially on VR.

The 2 terms in many ways were interchangeable at least in NSW, in certain areas such as the HV coal fields that operated non air trains, they were generally referred to as brake vans, but for most other areas the Guards van application was applied.  These would often be shown in WTT's & on branch line trains that would show goods train with Passenger accommodation, referring to certain classes of Guards vans where no carriage was attached.

When the vans were removed & trains became WB, that referred to "Without Brakevan" thus the term Guards van was not in the vocab of the day, in all aspects of the change.

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  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
For those with an aversion to facebook.... this was just posted: "Auscision Models If we get enough people to like this livery we will consider making a special run of N468 along with more V/Line Passenger Series 3 "Cheeseburger" livery locos to run with your N Sets.". They also note the N passenger carriage sets arrive next week at which time the prices will increase to $450 per pack.

  VN18 Junior Train Controller

Location: Central Highlands
For those with an aversion to facebook.... this was just posted: "Auscision Models If we get enough people to like this livery we will consider making a special run of N468 along with more V/Line Passenger Series 3 "Cheeseburger" livery locos to run with your N Sets.". They also note the N passenger carriage sets arrive next week at which time the prices will increase to $450 per pack.

"Poath Junction"



Sounds good to me! But what of VLP2 with white strip and yellow pilot tips? Wonder if they'll make the marker lights flush (without the lens box) as they all are now with LEDs

http://www.flickr.com/photos/notinservice/8605193794/
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Auscision have put up loco numbers and paint schemes on 45 class page on website,spoilt for choice 23 different locos being done !
  wat700 Junior Train Controller

Location: Richmond, NSW
Sadly no mention of the SAR/ANR/AN 600 Class to compliment the 45 Class release as yet.

Fingers crossed this will change in time.

Cheers,
  a6et Minister for Railways

Just a couple of corrections re the details on the 45cl.  The listing of the 35cl being the engines that were modified for the purpose of lifting union bans while correct, the first 45's to be affected by the modifications that allowed their use on Bank Engine working over the Ardglen range, & then extended to include local services to Ardglen quarry 5612/5613 & to Tamworth if spare, were in fact 4512, 17, 19, & 22. They were all in Candy, & cab mods carried out at WCK by the fitting staff there, each of these engines were fitted with the new tinted side windows.  A further 2 were modified, & added to the fleet, from memory they were 10 & 20, which allowed 2 to be released for testing on the NCL & out of Lithgow on Mugee line coal services.

The sand box filling relocation was hodge podge from around 1968 onwards owing to problems in some depots sand filling hoses not be able to fill the boxes at the front.

Another modification not mention in the scree was the replacement of the drop down side window that was the one closest to the access doors on many of them, rather than the aluminium channel frame & poor fitting spring clips on the top, many had them replaced by the same permanently rubber sealed types as found on the front of the drivers side windows on both sides.

The original door handles were also replaced with old carriage handles owing the doors flying open when in transit, just like the drop windows would progressively drop down.  The reason for the union bans, were the result of enginemen getting sick of the freezing cabins with excessive drafts coming into the cabs & various depots especially those in the Northern areas, proposed the ban for winter time, as they started to wear out, while rigid in ride they were becoming excessively rough especially on Exp goods, & the ban was discussed at the NSW AFULE Divisional council with notice given to the SRA following a unanimous vote by the state delegates that they be removed from lead engine working, unless cab conditions especially were fixed as well as the riding of them was also improved.

Generally speaking that primarily affected the NCL, where the term North Coast Jumbo's was determined for the pony & horse, or horse & cart arrangement of a 48cl to lead 45cl on trains, with the general removal of the jumbo's from the line, except on certain express goods & the passenger trains.

Except for the pathetic cab conditions, almost all enginemen actually liked the 45cl owing to their overall reliability.

PS. I was the driver & delegate at WCK who was responsible for both selling the idea of the 45cl being tested on the bankers with the modifications, do the testing & okaying of them for 3 week tests for all feedback prior to final acceptance.
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Great cross section of 45 class on offer there.
If I have my way a remortgage on the house is inevitable!!

Really hope the 600 class follows at some point also.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
C44ACI product page now exists. Lots of pretty colours to choose from Smile
http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/C44ACI%20Locomotive.htm
  Chipps Chief Train Controller

Location: NSW
Great cross section of 45 class on offer there.

5711
I'll second that!!!


Am stoked these are finally a reality. Definitely looking at the Tuscan & Red terror. The Marlborough scheme is also very tempting.


Just curious, at $295.00 each, the C44ACI is the same price, I would have thought the 45 would have been a fraction cheaper, as the 73 was.


Guess size doesn't matter after all Razz




Cam
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Just curious, at $295.00 each, the C44ACI is the same price, I would have thought the 45 would have been a fraction cheaper, as the 73 was.


Cam
Chipps
No not really. Both the C44 and 45 are 6-axle locos and the overall cost of production (design, tooling and actual manufacture) would be much the same for both the body and mechanism. The 73 is a 4-axle loco and so would have saved a little on the mechanism. Plus it was priced (ie announced) some time ago when things were cheaper.

Tony
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
.....Plus it was priced (ie announced) some time ago when things were cheaper.

Tony
With the Aussy dollar readjusting to a more sensible level, with probably further to go, watch for increased prices.  Simple sums really.  Chinese manufacturers don't want Australian dollars so look at how many US dollars you would get a month or two back for one Aussy and look again now.  All for the good of the country so please do not whinge about prices going up!

Best regards,
John
  Chipps Chief Train Controller

Location: NSW
Thanks for that explanation Brissm, makes sense.

Not complaining about prices John. In fact it's good to see quality locos at these prices. Was just asking why the prices are the same and now have a better understanding.

All's good & hope that didn't sound abrasive Wink


Cheers
Cam
  2LaGrange Train Controller

All very true,with the Aussie dollar being high for so long we have been shielded to some extent from chinese factory production and tooling cost rises.
Locos are currently $295.00 if deposit paid but I think it will not be long until we see locos break the $300 mark from Australian manufacturers if the Aussie dollar keeps heading south.
Also Auscisions GT46,C43/44Aci,46 and 86 class locos can all be ordered for $250.00 paid in full which is a very good price for the quality of loco they produce.
I would say when the 45 order forms come out the same $250.00 deal will apply.
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)

I would say when the 45 order forms come out the same $250.00 deal will apply.
2LaGrange
They've already said the price will be $295-....

Are you suggesting they will have an early-bird deal @ $250- if paid by a certain date (ie: well in advance of delivery)?

Roachie
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
... Not complaining about prices John. In fact it's good to see quality locos at these prices.
Chipps
Sorry Cam.  The wording came out a bit different to what I intended.  That was a general plea, not directed at you. Laughing
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
If they're not doing the 600 class, then it just looks like I will have to "settle" for 4x 45 class: 4507, 4508 (in reverse), 4520 (as restored, but I can't see any differences just by looking at the pic on their page) and 4531.

Funny thing about the pics shown on the 45 page is that some of them have the sand box fillers shown as being on the side, whereas other don't show the filler hatches at all (seeming to indicate they are on the ends. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to which ones are which. I'm sure it's just the fact they are just drawings and not the final design/product......it was just an observation.

Roachie
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Yes Roachie and if you look at their C43/43 or 46 class page for example the price is $295.00 but on the order forms it has a price of $250.00 if paid in full rather than paying a deposit.

Seeing as their is no 45 class order form yet I am suggesting that the same $250.00 paid in full deal may apply when order forms are released but we will have to wait and see.

There is no mention of 600 class so I would suggest their not going to happen in the first production run.

When you have a close look at the differences between 45s and 600s there are quite a few tooling changes that would be needed to produce an accurate 600 class.

Different horn locations,sand boxes,modified dynamic brake grilles,cab windows,cab roof,body side grilles,extra body door panels,pilots(no buffers),MU brackets,no staff exchanger,handrails ect and I proberbly missed a few others.
When you add all these changes up the tooling modifications would not be cheap.

I for one hope they do eventually do 600s as even though I mainly model NSW they did run in NSW over the years and Mustard Pot 600s would look great.
  SA_trains Deputy Commissioner

Location: ACT
I for one hope they do eventually do 600s as even though I mainly model NSW they did run in NSW over the years and Mustard Pot 600s would look great.
2LaGrange

YES PLEASE... bring on the SAR 600-class!!!! Mustard Pot or Maroon & silver, I'd be happy with either!

Smile

Please hear us Auscision!
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Credit cards being raided yesterday and today for Walkers...
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

CF4412?
  Chipps Chief Train Controller

Location: NSW
then it just looks like I will have to "settle" for 4x 45 class: 4507, 4508 (in reverse), 4520 (as restored, but I can't see any differences just by looking at the pic on their page) and 4531.


Roachie
The Indian Red's  seem to change hue between each group.

But as you say, most likely just sample shots with more accurate details given later.


Cheers
Cam


ETA: Disregard, its just my screen. They are all the same when in the center Laughing
  2LaGrange Train Controller

CF4412 may be an unannounced loco that turns up with the C43/44 run.
They have some form with doing this,extra unannounced wagon packs in the past and 7320 in tuscan wasnt announced and i think i read somewhere there may be an extra PN AN loco when they arrive.
Personally after seeing CF4412 in the flesh i wanted to vomit but thats just my view others may like it.
Its funny sometimes a real loco may not look that good in a particular livery but then when you see the model for some reason they look better.
Maybe this will be the case with CF4412 if produced.
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

An earlybird price of $250 for these loco's represents incredible value especially when considered with the current and projected performance of the AUD

Auscision remains one of the very few (and quite possibly only) I would trust with such a forward commitment to purchase, and that's regardless of any financial rewards for doing so

A discount is always welcome, but what cost do you put on having to negotiate consumer law to recover your outlay if there's a change of heart?

Quite happy to discuss further via Private Message if you're curious to know more...
  Roachie Chief Commissioner

Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
An earlybird price of $250 for these loco's represents incredible value especially when considered with the current and projected performance of the AUD

Auscision remains one of the very few (and quite possibly only) I would trust with such a forward commitment to purchase, and that's regardless of any financial rewards for doing so

A discount is always welcome, but what cost do you put on having to negotiate consumer law to recover your outlay if there's a change of heart?

Quite happy to discuss further via Private Message if you're curious to know more...
gw0071
If you want to pay up front and take advantage of the early-bird price discount (but are concerned your money might not ultimately be "safe"), then just make sure you pay by credit card. That way you are protected by the bank that the relevant importer uses for their Merchant Services.  I used to work for the NAB and in the dim past, when Ansett Airlines went belly-up, NAB (which was Ansett's Merchant provider) had to fork-out refunds to all those people who had paid for tickets they could no longer use. Cost the "poor" buggars millions!!! No wonder credit card interest rates and fee structures are so high!!!

So, order and pay in advance with complete safety.

Roachie
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

Great advice Roachie however, during the notoriously long delivery timeframe of products within this industry much can occur. People change jobs, move house, etc all major contributors towards financial institution mobility

Without wishing to sound cynical, try requesting a bank you employed in the past to go into bat for what they consistently describe as a trivial amount

Maybe Visa would be willing/able to step up to the challenge of 'Keeping the Bastards Honest'

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