Metro Trains Melbourne drivers

 
  Skipdaddyo Chief Train Controller

Location: Living the dream
I was told the course is much harder than any university course and it will be the hardest thing you ever do.  This came from a current train driver who also has a uni degree.
Winnie45
It's not harder than a uni degree, just very intense.  You learn a lot very quickly.  Very few elements of the course are difficult on their lonesome.  Unlike University, you don't need to be an analytical or critical thinker, raw intelligence and dedication is enough to get you through.

The key to it is to study, study, and then study some more.  Reading and re-reading is useless.  Make your own notes, draw, acronyms...  On average a class will lose one member, so 11/12ths of those who start become drivers...

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  mrbump Junior Train Controller

Location: Hotel California
Has anyone got any ideas of when the next recruitment plan will be?
sunny_2day

they told us in the info sessions, that the merit list was to fill all recruitment up to and including the end of next year. So one might guess nothing untill early 2015 perhaps...
  sunny_2day Locomotive Driver

they told us in the info sessions, that the merit list was to fill all recruitment up to and including the end of next year. So one might guess nothing untill early 2015 perhaps...
mrbump
splendid! -.- Best keep hunting for a more secure job whilst I wait.
  MichyDee Station Master

Location: Coimadai, Victoria, Australia
Any phone calls yet? Smile
  GabRoo Station Master

Any phone calls yet? Smile
MichyDee
Your smile says you have received one!
  MichyDee Station Master

Location: Coimadai, Victoria, Australia
No no but I'm hoping soon!!! Surely they will have the next round soon. Smile
  mrbump Junior Train Controller

Location: Hotel California
No no but I'm hoping soon!!! Surely they will have the next round soon. Smile
MichyDee
yes hopefully real soon:)
  Huck Station Staff

yes hopefully real soon:)
mrbump
Do you know something Mr Bump?
Have you had an assessment centre?
  mrbump Junior Train Controller

Location: Hotel California
Do you know something Mr Bump?
Have you had an assessment centre?
Huck
Unfortunatly I don't know anything, I just fiugre that they will be starting to contact people soon, for assessment centre's for the August and September classes.

That is of course, unless they are holding off due to all of the dramas being put forward with the new training regime.

Who knows?? I'm just eagerly awaiting a call to attend an assessment centre too.
  Huck Station Staff

Unfortunatly I don't know anything, I just fiugre that they will be starting to contact people soon, for assessment centre's for the August and September classes.

That is of course, unless they are holding off due to all of the dramas being put forward with the new training regime.

Who knows?? I'm just eagerly awaiting a call to attend an assessment centre too.
mrbump
Can someone expand on the "dramas being put forward with the new training regime" theme please?
What are the dramas?
Have they stopped new courses?
What about courses already underway? How are these being affected by the dramas?
Thanks
  MichyDee Station Master

Location: Coimadai, Victoria, Australia
Can someone expand on the "dramas being put forward with the new training regime" theme please?
What are the dramas?
Have they stopped new courses?
What about courses already underway? How are these being affected by the dramas?
Thanks
Huck
As far as I know they had the training regime to run around 72 weeks straight then learn to drive the 4 fleet trains at the end, now they are splitting them into two 36 week lots I believe? Where you learn to drive 2 fleet trains after 36 weeks, then learn the other 2 in the next 36 week stint.

They haven't stopped new courses, they are still running them.

That is all I know but if anyone else can shed some light, that would be good.
  GvhftrKijl Locomotive Driver

Location: ERD
As far as I know they had the training regime to run around 72 weeks straight then learn to drive the 4 fleet trains at the end, now they are splitting them into two 36 week lots I believe? Where you learn to drive 2 fleet trains after 36 weeks, then learn the other 2 in the next 36 week stint.

They haven't stopped new courses, they are still running them.

That is all I know but if anyone else can shed some light, that would be good.
MichyDee
The former Driver Training Scheme was 73 weeks, which would make a Driver conversant with all lines, and all four forms of traction.

The current scheme was originally 38 weeks, where trainees would learn half the network, and the traction relevant to that half (i.e. Comeng, and either Siemens for Caulfield/Northern or X'Trapolis for Burnley/Clifton Hill). After this 38 weeks, Drivers would be on restricted operation based on what they had learned for 35 weeks. After this period, they would then undertake training for a further 26 weeks on the other half of the network and the traction that they didn't cover in the initial 38 weeks. At this point, they would be as qualified as a Driver who went through the 73 week scheme.

What has happened however is that the 38-week course has now blown out to 40+ weeks. There have been a few issues which has resulted in delayed assessments but I believe they are back on track and as far as I'm aware they are pushing through with the new training scheme.
  Skipdaddyo Chief Train Controller

Location: Living the dream
^ woteeawwshesed

They obviously feel the bumps have been ironed out, and will be banging out the classes in quick succession in the near future.
  Skipdaddyo Chief Train Controller

Location: Living the dream
they told us in the info sessions, that the merit list was to fill all recruitment up to and including the end of next year. So one might guess nothing untill early 2015 perhaps...
mrbump
Presumably this is a typo... 2014 may be true, 2015 is absolutely positively wrong...
  mrbump Junior Train Controller

Location: Hotel California
Presumably this is a typo... 2014 may be true, 2015 is absolutely positively wrong...
Skipdaddyo
No, as per the information given at the information sessions, the current merit list is enough for all expected traineeship positions until December 2014, hence making the next round of applications, one can only reason, the begining of 2015, although I am open to the idea they may start the ball rolling in late 2014. So unfortuantly I cannot see why you think its "absolutely positively wrong..." when there is a very fair chance of it falling that way.

Did you attend an information session this year? If you did, you absolutly positively didn't pay attention....
  mrbump Junior Train Controller

Location: Hotel California
The former Driver Training Scheme was 73 weeks, which would make a Driver conversant with all lines, and all four forms of traction.

The current scheme was originally 38 weeks, where trainees would learn half the network, and the traction relevant to that half (i.e. Comeng, and either Siemens for Caulfield/Northern or X'Trapolis for Burnley/Clifton Hill). After this 38 weeks, Drivers would be on restricted operation based on what they had learned for 35 weeks. After this period, they would then undertake training for a further 26 weeks on the other half of the network and the traction that they didn't cover in the initial 38 weeks. At this point, they would be as qualified as a Driver who went through the 73 week scheme.

What has happened however is that the 38-week course has now blown out to 40+ weeks. There have been a few issues which has resulted in delayed assessments but I believe they are back on track and as far as I'm aware they are pushing through with the new training scheme.
GvhftrKijl
chatting to somebody i know, they have only just got the first batch of people through assessments. the new course looks to be around 50 weeks (but he hasn't confirmed if it is a formal change), then hitting the rails to learn as a probationary driver.there have been several issues, and they are working through them. in my opinion, the new course will evolve over the next few courses.
  MichyDee Station Master

Location: Coimadai, Victoria, Australia
Presumably this is a typo... 2014 may be true, 2015 is absolutely positively wrong...
Skipdaddyo
mrbump is right, well at least according to the Information Sessions this year.
They will not be holding another recruitment until early 2015.
  Skipdaddyo Chief Train Controller

Location: Living the dream
No, as per the information given at the information sessions, the current merit list is enough for all expected traineeship positions until December 2014, hence making the next round of applications, one can only reason, the begining of 2015, although I am open to the idea they may start the ball rolling in late 2014. So unfortuantly I cannot see why you think its "absolutely positively wrong..." when there is a very fair chance of it falling that way.

Did you attend an information session this year? If you did, you absolutly positively didn't pay attention....
mrbump
I drive them for a living...
  mrbump Junior Train Controller

Location: Hotel California
It's all well and good to drive for them champ, I know 3 drivers, 2 of which are on the job trainers and what metro told us in the info sessions, wasn't anything they were told. Perhaps all employees in ANY company are not across what the recruitment plans are? I know I've never been involved with any of my employers future recruitment plans. That's why they have hr people.
  Skipdaddyo Chief Train Controller

Location: Living the dream
It's all well and good to drive for them champ, I know 3 drivers, 2 of which are on the job trainers and what metro told us in the info sessions, wasn't anything they were told. Perhaps all employees in ANY company are not across what the recruitment plans are? I know I've never been involved with any of my employers future recruitment plans. That's why they have hr people.
mrbump
Righto...

I've got nothing further to say to you at this point in time.
  wn514 Chief Commissioner

Location: at a skyhooks concert living in the 70's
Righto...

I've got nothing further to say to you at this point in time.
Skipdaddyo

ignore them skip. the fact that you have been through the info sessions, training and now drive them obviously means nothing to them. mr bump thinks he knows lots because he knows somebody on the job.Rolling Eyes
  mrbump Junior Train Controller

Location: Hotel California
ignore them skip. the fact that you have been through the info sessions, training and now drive them obviously means nothing to them. mr bump thinks he knows lots because he knows somebody on the job.Rolling Eyes
wn514
I don’t think I know allot because I know people, and with other topics on this post, I've always been open to discussion. I do however get annoyed when people try to tell me that I’m absolutely positively wrong, when in fact I am only relaying information that the said people obviously were not privy to.

I was only trying to point out to Skipdaddyo, that being a driver does not mean that you know what hr have planned, and that what I said earlier, was what they told us.

Skipdadddyo can give a lot of incite in the job, and we all look forward to what he can provide to others.. the training has changed, and will continue to change, but you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
  frezno Junior Train Controller

Righto...

I've got nothing further to say to you at this point in time.
Skipdaddyo

It's ok Skipdaddyo, you have to have faith that the recruitment process weeds out the know-it-alls and the 'I'll pass because I know someone who knows someone'.

First rule of applying for a prospective workplace: Don't make enemies with people who may one day be your workmates.
At least that's how it works in my industry anyway.
  GvhftrKijl Locomotive Driver

Location: ERD
It's ok Skipdaddyo, you have to have faith that the recruitment process weeds out the know-it-alls and the 'I'll pass because I know someone who knows someone'.

First rule of applying for a prospective workplace: Don't make enemies with people who may one day be your workmates.
At least that's how it works in my industry anyway.
frezno
It certainly does in the railways too.

Getting into Driver Training and indeed, becoming a qualified Driver is certainly not a foregone conclusion.

If the recruitment process doesn't weed out the above character types, then Driver Training will - some of the most spectacular wash-outs from what I've heard have come from those who knew someone on the job already.

As for the know-it-alls, if you rub the wrong person up the wrong way, you'll be in for a world of pain during your training, because word spreads and you get a reputation that can become very difficult to shake off even if you do make it as a Driver.

It's been said before, and I'll say it again - even Management/HR types do read this forum, and it doesn't take too much sleuthing for them (or anyone else who may care to find out) to possibly identify a poster, even if you have taken reasonable steps to conceal your identity.
  MichyDee Station Master

Location: Coimadai, Victoria, Australia
I was at the information session and yes we were told the next recruitment would be at the start of 2015.
I am just relaying what I was told, perhaps it is wrong information, but I am only going off what I was told.
Who knows this batch could have a lot of duds haha and then they will have to recruit earlier then they think, especially considering they are refining the course constantly.

I believe they will end up recruiting earlier, but who knows? Smile maybe you guys have heard things I haven't, I am not a driver, but thanks for the information guys - obviously if you are hearing the same things they must be spot in, considering the information sessions were months ago. Apologies if I have offended anyone, didn't mean to peeve anyone off or come off as a know it all.

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