RUB Cars for the Griffith Service

 
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
Thanks for that 42101

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  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

[For those interested about the current disposition of the surviving PHA vans,
PHA 2392 - RTM Broadmeadow
PHA 2393 - ARHS ACT
PHA 2394 - RTM
PHA 2395 - Chullora
PHA 2396 - RTM[/quote]

Where abouts at Chullora do you reckon that PHA 2395 is located?
  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

Where abouts at Chullora do you reckon that PHA 2395 is located?
"hunslet1915"

I suspect that NSWRTM123 has taken this from the NSWRcars spreadsheet.
The last location I had for 2395 was Chullora, supposedly on its way to storage for SETS. If you can tell me where it is now that would be great.
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

Where abouts at Chullora do you reckon that PHA 2395 is located?
"hunslet1915"

I suspect that NSWRTM123 has taken this from the NSWRcars spreadsheet.
The last location I had for 2395 was Chullora, supposedly on its way to storage for SETS. If you can tell me where it is now that would be great.
"NSWRcars"


PHA 2395 has been located within the Heritage Store since its relocation from Acdep in 2001.   It was temporarily relocated to Chullora during preparations for, and the shooting of, several scenes for the last of "The Matrix" films.

The car has NEVER been allocated to SETS who would have no use for a vehicle of this type.
  NSWRcars Chief Train Controller

PHA 2395 has been located within the Heritage Store since its relocation from Acdep in 2001
"hunslet1915"

Thanks for the update.
  wongm GEEWONG

Location: Geelong, Victoria
As to the door comment, the cars had a fall down plate covering the entire handle, warning that the doors were not to be opened while in transit, as they could not be locked.
"aussieloco"
Spotted this in one of the ARHS ACT carriages (a TDS?)
http://railgallery.wongm.com/arhs-act/E101_1960.jpg.html
"wongm"

but if you look above you can also see a lock fitted standard square key
im not sure if this was fitted after ARHS ACT aquiring the carridge. but it is proof that they could be locked (with modifications??)
"Jajb94"

I know down in Victoria on our heritage trains a square key lock isn't be used to keep a door closed in motion, only to keep people out of the train once stabled (revenue stock usually have a 'proper' key these days as well).

Back on the V/Line carriage stock the power door locking systems keep the door locked whenever power is applied, and if the power drops out batteries keep the doors locked. There is also emergency release inside and outside the train, they cut the circuit so the door becomes unlocked. If you just locked a door with a square key there is no way to escape in an emergency.
  244hseriesalco Chief Train Controller

I believe the other PHA? power van in the hands of the RTM has had the blurred L7's and new numbering applied, I dont know why exactly but it looks interesting.
"42209"


The PHA you quote as having Blurred L7 logo is 2396, it was overhauled for the 3801ltd failed commissioner's train, it was bi-carb grit blasted at work (MainTrain) and cityrail's current decals were used in place of the original NSWGR/PTC/TD/SRA shadow types and fibre glass end piece's painted grey and underframe black. A new fire retarding system was also installed as well as new wheels, water tanks. When it was first used by RTM the No.2 motor would not sequence with the others and various other issues which I participated in repairing (including getting No2 donk to run and sequence with the others) Currently it goes ok and is used as a back up to 2394.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
What's this 3801 Limited Commissioner's Train?

I remember the Commissioner's Carriages being displayed at Mount Victoria for the 125th anniversary in 1993. Would that have been the same thing?
  244hseriesalco Chief Train Controller

What's this 3801 Limited Commissioner's Train?

I remember the Commissioner's Carriages being displayed at Mount Victoria for the 125th anniversary in 1993. Would that have been the same thing?
"GeoffreyHansen"


The commissioner's train as I understand it was to be a promotional train for 3801ltd in an attempt to get in on the market of premier dinner trains, like the Southern Aurora, it included the complete rebuild of ABS 2304 at eveliegh, overhaul of PHA 2396, upgrade of BCS 2357, upgrade of the original commissioner's car AAH19.

I don't think it ever operated as a commercial concern, i remember a trial down the Illawarra with a 44class and the said cars above, this all happened approx 5 years ago. May be someone from 01ltd can give some more detail as thats all know. The cars now are all with RTM as they are all RailCorp heritage vehicles.
  cooky2304 Train Controller

Location: Newcastle
G'day All,
Was wonderng if anybody could put up a approx timetable that the Griffith Express ran?

Thanks Guys!

Cheers
Billy
(Cooky2304)
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

[quoteThe commissioner's train as I understand it was to be a promotional train for 3801ltd in an attempt to get in on the market of premier dinner trains, like the Southern Aurora, it included the complete rebuild of ABS 2304 at eveliegh, overhaul of PHA 2396, upgrade of BCS 2357, upgrade of the original commissioner's car AAH19.

I don't think it ever operated as a commercial concern, i remember a trial down the Illawarra with a 44class and the said cars above, this all happened approx 5 years ago. The cars now are all with RTM as they are all RailCorp heritage vehicles.[/quote]


The cars forming the Commissioner's Train (AAH7/8/9/19 SG PAM) were overhauled for the Office of Rail Heritage by 3801 Limited and subsequently trialled to Wollongong.   They never went into service with 3801 Limited, although the RTM was given approval to run some of the cars as part of the 150th Celebrations in 2005.

The SG & PAM ere in the Heritage Collection at Redfern under lock & key.

One of the Commissioner's Train cars was recently transferred to Broadmeadow for secure storage.

I'm not sure where the other cars are - possibly in the Large Erecting Shop.   Others may be able to advise!
  Comeng Chief Train Controller

I've just been reading an article in the January 2012 edition of The Railway News, regarding movement of heritage stock to Broadmeadow from Eveleigh and Thirlmere

Within the article, it mentions that PHA 2395 is a (I assume still?) non core item that is stored at Eveleigh Carriage Works and that preservation groups are not interested in taking it.

Does anyone know why they are not interested? Is it in poor condition? Is it stripped of parts? Or is it just that each of the larger heritage operation groups already have one or more and do not want another?

I would have thought a modern power van like these would be easy to give away!!!

Any information readers can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any information provided:)

Comeng
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

[quote="Comeng"]I've just been reading an article in the January 2012 edition of The Railway News, regarding movement of heritage stock to Broadmeadow from Eveleigh and Thirlmere Within the article, it mentions that PHA 2395 is a (I assume still?) non core item that is stored at Eveleigh Carriage Works and that preservation groups are not interested in taking it./quote]

From my reading of that particular report, what you say is not my interpretation of what was written.

To quote ... "... and stainless steel power van PHN2395 - still officially unallocated following offers to the various preservation groups a couple of years ago."

It does NOT say that no preservation group was interested in taking it.
  Comeng Chief Train Controller

[quote="hunslet1915"][quote="Comeng"]I've just been reading an article in the January 2012 edition of The Railway News, regarding movement of heritage stock to Broadmeadow from Eveleigh and Thirlmere Within the article, it mentions that PHA 2395 is a (I assume still?) non core item that is stored at Eveleigh Carriage Works and that preservation groups are not interested in taking it./quote]

From my reading of that particular report, what you say is not my interpretation of what was written.

To quote ... "... and stainless steel power van PHN2395 - still officially unallocated following offers to the various preservation groups a couple of years ago."

It does NOT say that no preservation group was interested in taking it.[/quote]

It quite clearly states "PHA.2395" on page 34, right side column approx halfway through the last paragraph above the sub heading "Broadmeadow Roundhouse".
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

[quote="Comeng"][quote="hunslet1915"][quote="Comeng"]I've just been reading an article in the January 2012 edition of The Railway News, regarding movement of heritage stock to Broadmeadow from Eveleigh and Thirlmere Within the article, it mentions that PHA 2395 is a (I assume still?) non core item that is stored at Eveleigh Carriage Works and that preservation groups are not interested in taking it./quote]

From my reading of that particular report, what you say is not my interpretation of what was written.

To quote ... "... and stainless steel power van PHN2395 - still officially unallocated following offers to the various preservation groups a couple of years ago."

It does NOT say that no preservation group was interested in taking it.[/quote] It quite clearly states "PHA.2395" on page 34, right side column approx halfway through the last paragraph above the sub heading "Broadmeadow Roundhouse".[/quote]


Fight - fight - fight!    Not in my copy.   There is nothing under Broadmeadow Roundhouse title relating to PHA2395.   I quoted from line 8 to 11 of the prior paragraph.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
One person said PHN and the other said PHA fo the same fleet number. My copy of the magazine [P. 34] said PHA and it is ABOVE, not below, the  sub heading "Broadmeadow Roundhouse".

Now the original question refers to its eventual use, preserved or not?





  244hseriesalco Chief Train Controller

PHA 2395 is located at Broadmeadow as is a number of ex Aurora/RUB/HUB cars, the condition of 2395 is poor with (for memory) some of the brake rigging to one bogie missing, engine control/starter motors/turbo's?/and other sundry items. The last time i saw 2395 was many years ago when it and  PHA 2396, 2393, RDH???? & TDS???? were stored at MainTrain after the services to Broken Hill/Griffith were replaced by Xplorer cars, 7301 delivered the 5 cars, with the HUB/RUB cars going into a storage shed located between the down yard boundry fence and the old Railway Ammenities block (big brown brick building),and it was a squeece to get them in with gangways pushing against the roller doors, the PHA's were stored out the front of the shed. PHA2396 was the first to go in preperation for above mentioned commisioners train.

The other cars were moved sometime later prior to site works for the Waratah AMF work shop.

In configuration 2392, 2394, 2395, 2396 are fairly well the same as in having three large capacity engines/alternator (x3 Detroits), however, 2393 was modified by having two of its large engines removed and replaced with two smaller output capacity engine/alterator sets, retaining the original Detroit third position engine. This was done to run the Broken Hill/Griffith train as the two small engines suited the significantly less electrical load than say a 14 car Aurora consist. PHA's or any power vans, dont like running with low electrical demand, hence why a 'load box' was used at ACDEP to load the vans up particularly in winter when the loads were lower than in summer (this was told to me by a former boss of mine who did his time there) The five PHA vans had different engine control system between them and each is unique to say the least.  In the scheme of things there is no real need for either 2392 or 95, with both missing similar amounts of the same or similar parts.   
  hunslet1915 Chief Train Controller

[To quote ... "... and stainless steel power van PHN2395 - still officially unallocated following offers to the various preservation groups a couple of years ago."
.
"hunslet1915"


Confirming ... my quote above should have referred to the code as  PHA and not PHN.   Sorry abut that - my fingers work faster than the brain when on the computer's keyboard.

PHA2395 is still at Redfern.
  244hseriesalco Chief Train Controller

[To quote ... "... and stainless steel power van PHN2395 - still officially unallocated following offers to the various preservation groups a couple of years ago."
.
"hunslet1915"


Confirming ... my quote above should have referred to the code as  PHA and not PHN.   Sorry abut that - my fingers work faster than the brain when on the computer's keyboard.

PHA2395 is still at Redfern.
"hunslet1915"


Thanks for the confirmation, I could have sworn it went up there with other HUB/RUB cars and MHN Aurora brake van.

On that note does any body know what is left at Redfern/Carriage Works?
  Southern Aurora Locomotive Driver

Hi.. this is my record of the trip I made to Griffith in April 1997..

SL15 SYDNEY-GRIFFITH PASSENGER
Saturday 27th April 1996
42220
NDS 2285
NDS 2282
RDH 2233 BUFFET
PHA 2395 POWER VAN
Station
Station side
Line Note
Scheduled Time
Actual Time
SYDNEY
Left/Right
Stn Building


GOULBURN
Left/Right
Stn Building
1120
1117/1125
GUNNING
Left
Whitton built

1205*
JERAWA

Station sign

1220*
YASS JUNCTION
Left/Right
Stn Building
1236
1237/1238
BOWNING
Right
Stn Building

1248*
BINALONG
Left
Stn Building

1308*
GALONG
Right
Stn Building

1318*
HARDEN
Left
Stn Building

1333*
DEMONDRILLE

Signal Box; junction for Cowra, Blayney

1339*
WALLENDBEEN
Left
Stn Building

1351*
WALLENDBEEN-COOTAMUNDRA

Section

1404*
*Cross Olympic Spirit XPT
COOTAMUNDRA
Right
Stn Building
1405
1407-1408
COOTAMUNDRA YARD



1409-1411
FRAMPTON
Left/Right
Platform

1423*
BETHUNGRA
Right
Stn abolished

1430*
ILLABO
Left
Stn abolished

1437*
MARINNA

Stn abolished

1442*
JUNNE
Left/Right
Stn Building
1445-1500
1447-1503
OLD JUNEE
Left
Signal Box

1512-1514
MARRAR

Platform

1526*
COOLAMON
Left
Whitton built
1535
1537-1541
BRUSHWOOD
Right
Station sign

1550*
GANMAIN
Left
Stn abolished

1554*
MATONG

Platform

1600*
GRONG GRONG
Left
Platform, sign

1608*
NARRANDERA
Left
Whitton built
1620
1622-1625
YANCO
Right
Signal Box
1645
1650-1655
LEETON
Left
Stn building
1655
1701-1703
YOOGALI

Stn abolished

1733*
GRIFFITH
Left
Stn building
1730
1736
Forms
SL16 SYD
Sun. 28-4-1996
0800 GRF


SL16 GRIFFITH-SYDNEY PASSENGER
Sunday 28th April 1996
42220
NDS 2285
NDS 2282
RDH 2233 BUFFET
PHA 2395 POWER VAN
Station
Station side
Line Note
Scheduled Time
Actual Time
GRIFFITH
Right
Stn Building
0800
0801
MURRAMI

Stn abolished

0821*
KOONADAN

Station sign

0827*
LEETON
Right
Stn Building
0836
0835-0839
YANCO
Left
Signal Box
0845
0847-0850
NARRANDERA
Right
Whitton built
0909
0913-0919
GRONG GRONG
Right
Platform, sign

0932*
MATONG

Platform

0940*
GANMAIN
Right
Stn abolished

0947*
BRUSHWOOD
Left
Station sign

0950*
COOLAMON
Right
Whitton built
0956
0959-1004
MARRAR
Right
Platform

1016*
OLD JUNEE
Right
Signal Box

1026-1033
JUNEE
Left/Right
Stn Building
1036
1040-1053
MARRINA

Stn abolished


ILLABO
Right
Stn abolished

1106*
BETHUNGRA
Left
Stn abolished

1113*
FRAMPTON
Left/Right
Platform

1124*
COOTAMUNDRA
Left
Stn Building
1137
1138-1139
YASS JUNCTION
Left/Right
Stn Building


GOULBURN
Left/Right
Stn Building


SYDNEY
Left/Right
Stn Building


Forms
WL      OAG
Tue 30-4-1996
1553

  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Excellent photos Shed_Rat! I wish I had got some photos of the RUB/HUB carriages when they were in Countrylink service.

Was TDS 2250 used on the Broken Hill and Griffith services?
  M636C Minister for Railways

Excellent photos Shed_Rat! I wish I had got some photos of the RUB/HUB carriages when they were in Countrylink service.

Was TDS 2250 used on the Broken Hill and Griffith services?
GeoffreyHansen
I never saw TDS 2250 on any Countrylink service.

All six cars (4 NDS, 2 RDH) were used on a Canberra special train run for the trade unions shortly after election of the Howard government, called the "Spirit of Protest", along with a number of MFS cars. If 2250 had been available, I'm sure it would have been used.

While checking out those cars in Canberra, I noted the additional non matching luggage racks visible in the photo above of NDS 2268. Since these were not in any other NDS, I believe they date from its return to SFS (minus compartment) from SFR in the 1960s.

I don't have any references with me in Washington DC so I can't give further details.

M636C

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