An uncertain future - Seymour Railway Heritage Centre (SRHC)

 

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  ed31880 Train Controller

QUBE would be my guess since they have already hired Streamrail loco's and X31 for the Deni service.
DounutCereal
QUBE already a number of higher horse power later model units on standard gauge. They have G515 on broad gauge and also have G512 and VL362 being converted to broad gauge atm.

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  Taitset Chief Commissioner

Location: Eltham, (former) vintage safeworking capital of Melbourne
Its possible in theory, the XYZ set was operational on the mainline roughly a decade ago, although I think it is no longer permitted on the mainline (screw coupling and fixed wheels an issue I think? Please correct me if wrong).
VBAndy
The last time screw couplings would have been used on the mainline was the last Elecrail tour in early 2004. Fixed wheel vehicles have moved in reasonably recent times (Y112 ran to Maryborough with a 4-wheel water gin in 2005, and a GY wagon was part of a transfer from Ballarat to Newport in 2004) but quite possibly the rules might be different for a passenger car. But as you say, it would make a lot more sense to have them sent to a tourist railway.
  BJ Titsengolf That's Numberwang!

Location: Right here, right now, right here, right now...
Only issue i ever heard of with the veteran set was the star wheel centres.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Interesting to note that pretty much all of the locos owned, or cared for by the SRHC are back in Seymour now.

Nothing is on their blog reporting as to why they have returned, only that they are back home for some attention...Yeah right. If rumours are to be believed; EZ owe the SRHC, and quite a few other companies/groups a lot of money for the hiring of locos (VGR have reported that they haven't seen any pay for T333 in over 9 months, despite it's regular use - the loco's hire is supposedly 'managed' by the SRHC), and this is the reason they have been pulled from service. EZ have been wound up (covered in another thread), so the rear-end has pretty much fallen out of the hire market. Poor old GM36 is stuck down at Portland, missing a wheelset from one of it's bogies, and God knows what else is wrong with it. Apparently it will go back to Seymour on a truck. Who is paying for this, I wonder?

You'd think that once bitten, twice shy - maybe for most people...

Rumours have been circulating elsewhere on the internet, that the head of EZ has formed another company (not RPE), and B74 is to go on hire to them for the Warrnambool goods. One would think that given the track record of EZ, and that fact there is still monies owed; that the SRHC would have learned a valuable lesson in dealing with certain people/companies, and avoided this like the proverbial plague. One can only guess that with the the now high overhead's (employing more people; purchasing loco parts etc.) that the SRHC has to keep existing, that the money they have is starting to dwindle at an alarming rate, and they are starting to get desperate for any cash they can muster to stay afloat.

One now has to ask: how long can the SRHC remain solvent - or are they even still solvent?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
To repeat a phrase I have used several times . . . "Well run hire companies ". . .  do not deal with someone who owes large sums, regardless of whether that person in in his original guise or another one altogether.

And; one would hope that SRHC is still solvent; I'm not a lawyer but I believe it is illegal to keep an entity trading if it is insolvent.
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
I notice on the SRHC blog that B74 turned 60. 10 years ago for the 50th there was a railfan tour to Maryborough to celebrate, this year all we get is a photo of a cake on a blog.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I notice on the SRHC blog that B74 turned 60. 10 years ago for the 50th there was a railfan tour to Maryborough to celebrate, this year all we get is a photo of a cake on a blog.
"VRfan"


Ah yes; but that was when SRHC was a genuine heritage railway group, catering for both volunteers and the public who enjoyed a day out on an "old" train.  Those days have gone, and I don't know if we'll ever see them again.

P.S. I wonder who got the cake ?
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
I notice on the SRHC blog that B74 turned 60. 10 years ago for the 50th there was a railfan tour to Maryborough to celebrate, this year all we get is a photo of a cake on a blog.
VRfan

Geez, by the way SRHC has treated their volunteers recently, you were lucky to get even that! Laughing
  ssaunders Train Controller

Geez, by the way SRHC has treated their volunteers recently, you were lucky to get even that! Laughing
xxxxlbear

After reading the demise of El Zorro thread SRHC management might be askign for donations to cover the short fall in income of a $1M. What's scary is while the income wasn't coming in maintance workshops would have still been doing the services so it might be more money to go out as well.

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  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
After the dishonouring of the trip behind C501 to it's donators, and the fact that their annoyance that nothing has occured to rectify this in the last 10 years that it's been in service, has been made public by quite a few of them. I'd find it very hard to imagine that anyone would make any sort of donation to the SRHC  knowing this.

I also find it very hard to imagine anyone wanting to donate to a group which alienated it's volunteers so it could pretend to be some sort of commercial enterprise, by taking on payed employees instead (many of whom I understand have no qualifications for the tasks they perform).

Perhaps if the executive committee members who led the group to this disgraceful, and precarious position were to publically resign and hand in their membership, things might be looked at in a more favourable light. I can't see that ever happening though, as I doubt they would even consider that they have seriously jeopodised the group's very existence with the course their egos forced the group to go in.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Memo to SRHC: Don't even bother floating the idea, much less asking for donations. The current, ego-driven, committee turned the place into a commercial operation, and it can sink or swim by itself - like any other commercial group; El Zorro for example.

I made a donation to SRHC once when it was the "old style" group.  It took years and lot of correspondence before I even got a receipt, let alone any acknowledgement.
I'm in the same boat as those who donated to C501. . . you make that mistake once, and only once.
  VBAndy Chief Commissioner

I also find it very hard to imagine anyone wanting to donate to a group which alienated it's volunteers so it could pretend to be some sort of commercial enterprise, by taking on payed employees instead (many of whom I understand have no qualifications for the tasks they perform).
Barrington Womble
I wonder just how long the SRHC can continue to employ these folks given the very evident lack of funds to sustain their income.
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
Memo to SRHC: Don't even bother floating the idea, much less asking for donations. The current, ego-driven, committee turned the place into a commercial operation, and it can sink or swim by itself - like any other commercial group; El Zorro for example.
I made a donation to SRHC once when it was the "old style" group.  It took years and lot of correspondence before I even got a receipt, let alone any acknowledgement.
I'm in the same boat as those who donated to C501. . . you make that mistake once, and only once.
Valvegear

Exactly....I have even thought of a saying with reflects SRHCs current status - 'You live by the sword, and you die by the sword'. As you stated, they turned their organisation into a commercial operation, and they reap the benefits when things go well for them; but if things turn sour (as they have with El Zorro), then too bad if they go belly up.
That is the risk of being a commercial entity.
That's life.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The end of the financial year is upon us - SRHC's financial report should make interesting reading.

I wonder what "Provision for Bad Debts" will look like.
  JGS Moderator Well. We'll see about THAT!

Location: Junee NSW
I know that some people enjoy scripture. I enjoy the Mormon translation of Galatians 6:7...

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

Or in other words, 'what goes around, comes around'. The way in which members of the SRHC were treated, isolated, alienated and belittled to ensure that those currently in power could get their way was deliberate and callous. The focus was turned from preservation to commercial loco hire. They got what they wanted.

Now it appears to have come back to bite them on the bum. How much are they owed by El Zorro? Why did they let it grow to such a figure? Why should they be allowed to remain in charge? Who's going to pick up the pieces at Seymour?

Best laugh I've had in ages!

Cheers,
Matt
  bpjudd Station Staff

So SRHC are only owed $1,000,000 by El Zorro. And from the article linked below owe Victorian Goldfields Railway $78,000 under the managing agreement for leasing VGR's T333 on their behalf...... !  Its only a cool MILLION+ owed to them. Small change. What POOR Management decisions by SRHC led to that amount in arrears..... ! That Commitee should be disolved into obscurity for that level of apparent incompetence.

http://www.newspaperhouse.com.au/index.php/news/item/912-debt-blow-for-railway
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Quotation from the Tours section of the SRHC website; " The Seymour Railway Heritage Centre operates several tours throughout the year to the best destinations in Victoria."

Oh yeah?  What destinations have this year's tours gone to?
  xxxxlbear Token Booking Clerk

Location: Geelong
SRHC does not tell us once, but twice, that they operate so called 'tours' throughout the year.

Apart from the 1 quotation above, on another page, under the Heritage Rail link within their web site, they say:
The SRHC operates heritage rail tours in Victoria for the benefit of the community and most of its trains feature a kiosk with liquor licence with a choice of steel air conditioned carriages and older wooden non air conditioned carriages with fares to suit all potential travellers.
SRHC
Link: SRHC Heritage Rail Tours
I also wonder what tours SRHC have run thus far this year, and what tours they propose running for the remaining 6 months of 2013 Confused
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I understand that SRHC has a Marketing Manager.

Just what is he/she marketing?
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
I understand that SRHC has a Marketing Manager.

Just what is he/she marketing?
Valvegear
Dunno.

But he/she might want to start marketing some new tours to generate money to pay for all those employees that the SRHC has taken on (him/herself included).
  Ballast_Plough Chief Commissioner

Location: Lilydale, Vic
Quotation from the Tours section of the SRHC website; " The Seymour Railway Heritage Centre operates several tours throughout the year to the best destinations in Victoria."

Oh yeah?  What destinations have this year's tours gone to?
Valvegear

Tocumwal a few nights per week???
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Tocumwal a few nights per week???
"Ballast_Plough"


I have it on good authority that passenger comfort was rudimentary at best - those flat wagons and containers aren't noted for their creature comforts. Very Happy
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I wonder what's happened the SRHC Blog, where we are invited to go for all the latest news. The last one posted was 25th June.  I can't believe there's been nothing newsworthy from Seymour for 3 weeks. I would have thought there would be lot to report, like how the place is coping now that a million's gone down the gurgler.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
I wonder what's happened the SRHC Blog, where we are invited to go for all the latest news. The last one posted was 25th June.  I can't believe there's been nothing newsworthy from Seymour for 3 weeks. I would have thought there would be lot to report, like how the place is coping now that a million's gone down the gurgler.
Valvegear
I think that's a little petty. In their defence they have posted a lot more commentary than other organisations, and as for reporting about a million dollar shortfall in income perhaps there's simply nothing to say at this point? There's hardly been a flood of information from other organisations owed money.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
You think it's petty?

This mob has effectively wrecked a once perfectly good heritage rail group, and I will feel quite free to rub their noses in it.
Sure, they've posted commentary - the vast majority of it about a commercial business  that they had no idea how to operate.
How much commentary have they posted about the public tours they run?  Nil. Why? Because there haven't been any.
The web site alone is downright misleading - where are these tours which they purport to run?

And; there has certainly been commentary about money owed, or haven't you been following VGR?

Ask the former members of SRHC who were locked out and/or disenfranchised whether they think it's petty.

Petty shmetty !

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