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      JimYarin Chief Commissioner

    Location: Adelaide, South Australia
    Live blog: Labor leadership turmoil

    [b]Related Story:[/b] Kevin Rudd's supporters circulate petition to oust Julia Gillard

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    The ABC understands that supporters of former prime minister Kevin Rudd have been circulating a petition to call a special Caucus meeting to hold a ballot on the Labor leadership.
    It is believed the petition to remove Julia Gillard as leader has been gathering signatures since just before midday, amid ongoing tensions within the party.
    This week is the last sitting week for federal Parliament before the election, and therefore the final chance for Labor MPs to decide the leadership question.
    Mr Rudd would need 52 votes to seize back the leadership, however one of his stated conditions of a comeback was to secure a convincing win.
    Read the full story here, and follow our live blog below for updates as they happen.
    Posted: 26 Jun 2013 13:54

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      RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

    Location: Dubai UAE
    Live blog: Labor leadership turmoil

    [b]Related Story:[/b] Kevin Rudd's supporters circulate petition to oust Julia Gillard

    [b]Related Story:[/b] Timeline: Prime Minister Julia Gillard

    [b]Map: [/b] Australia


    The ABC understands that supporters of former prime minister Kevin Rudd have been circulating a petition to call a special Caucus meeting to hold a ballot on the Labor leadership.
    It is believed the petition to remove Julia Gillard as leader has been gathering signatures since just before midday, amid ongoing tensions within the party.
    This week is the last sitting week for federal Parliament before the election, and therefore the final chance for Labor MPs to decide the leadership question.
    Mr Rudd would need 52 votes to seize back the leadership, however one of his stated conditions of a comeback was to secure a convincing win.
    Read the full story here, and follow our live blog below for updates as they happen.
    JimYarin

    And this is the party the believes it deserves to continue to run the country.

    I also note today the Independents that supported our current govt to power have decided to "retire", or is it they would rather not face the white wash from their local electrates.
    Posted: 26 Jun 2013 14:18
      bevans Site Admin

    Location: Melbourne, Australia
    Looks like it has started!

    Kevin Rudd's supporters have started circulating a caucus petition to allow a challenge to Julia Gillard for the prime ministership.
    Rudd's forces have launched the process in the confident expectation that Mr Rudd is prepared to stand, and that he has a majority.
    Kevin Rudd: will he oust Julia GIllard? Photo: Andrew Meares


    To convene a meeting where the vote can take place, one-third of the caucus members need to sign a petition requesting a special caucus meeting.
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    This will prove a formality. It is then at the discretion of the caucus secretary, Labor backbencher Chris Hayes, to decide the timing.
    Parliament is due to rise on Thursday night so the meeting is likely to be on Wednesday or Thursday at the latest.
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    43rd ParliamentIndependent MPs Rob Oakeshott L and Tony Windsor declared their support for a Gillard government during a press conference at Parliament House Canberra on Tuesday 7 2010. Photo: Andrew Meares


      It is the last ready opportunity for a challenge before the scheduled September 14 election.
      Labor sources have told Fairfax Media that the reason the Rudd camp had the confidence to move was because Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten has shifted his support from Ms Gillard to Mr Rudd.
      However, a spokesman for Mr Shorten said his position has not changed and he will not add to speculation on the leadership issue.
      Ms Gillard may choose to bring on the ballot by stepping aside for a vote - "spilling" the leadership as she did in March. Or the caucus can declare the position vacant to allow a ballot.
      The leader is traditionally chosen by a simple majority selected by a secret ballot of the caucus, which currently has 102 members.
      Several of Ms Gillard's supporters in the past two days have demanded that if Mr Rudd wants the job, he should bring on a ballot.
      The Prime Minister's office has been contacted for comment.
      There have been reports that a special caucus meeting has been called for Thursday. A spokesman for caucus chair Gavin Marshall could not confirm this, saying he would not comment on the matter.
      Resources Minister Gary Gray - and Gillard support - told reporters on Tuesday that he supported the Prime Minister.
      "The Prime Minister is a terrific woman. The right person to be the Prime Minister. And everyone knows I support the Prime Minister in all circumstances."
      Mr Gray last week called on Mr Rudd and his supporters to "[color=#15317d][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]put up or shut up" on the subject the leadership.[/font][/color]
      More to come


      Read more: [color=#003399][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/rudd-supporters-move-to-force-leadership-vote-20130626-2owgx.html#ixzz2XIFbBYh0[/font][/color]
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 14:29

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        michaelgm Chief Commissioner

      Julia Gillard will be PM at the next election.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 14:32
        Braddo Deputy Commissioner

      Location: Narre Warren
      Julia Gillard will be PM at the next election.
      michaelgm
      I believe she will be, unfortunately. I am sick of people voting in Liberal or Labor, both of these parties have f..ked this country over time and time again. It's about time someone else was given a go, possibly One Nation or the Australian Sex Party. Surely they couldn't do any worse.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 14:45
        michaelgm Chief Commissioner

      Clive Palmer?
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 14:51
        RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

      Location: Dubai UAE
      Julia Gillard will be PM at the next election.
      michaelgm
      Who would want to lead a toxic govt to the next election? She wanted the job, she stabbed him in the back to get it, she has fought multiple attempts to be kicked out, she has refused to step down from leading the Titanic to give their party half a chance of a reasonable loss. Any half decent PM would have seen the writing on the wall and when they annouced there was 9mths to the election, at same time stepped down and acknowledge they were not the right person for the job and the party.

      The election is lost, its now only about backbenchers trying to save their seats. Watch the lack of ALP branding at many an electorate with MP's usingtheir own banners. I say let her be tagged with one of the worst if not worst electrol defeats for any Australian Prime Minister and hopefully this sticks to her CV and impacts on private sector and/or UN type options going forward.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 15:46
        Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

      Location: Norda Fittazroy
      Agreed - Julia wanted the job and played Brutus to Kevin Rudd's Julius Caesar.
      She wanted it, she got it, now she can be judged on how she's handled it.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 16:10
        Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

      Location: University of Adelaide SA
      I and many Australians will be severely annoyed if Labor change leader before the election now, we may not have voted her in, but we are sure as hell going to vote her out! Bring on blue tie day.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 16:30
        RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

      Location: Dubai UAE
      I and many Australians will be severely annoyed if Labor change leader before the election now, we may not have voted her in, but we are sure as hell going to vote her out! Bring on blue tie day.
      Aaron
      +1, I want to see her up their conceeding defeat, loosing now gives her an easy out and she will probably pull her selection for her seat and resign immediately from the house.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 17:05
        Donald Chief Commissioner

      Location: Donald. Duck country.
      Looks like showdown at 7 pm.  (not state of origin).

      Why would you want to take the helm of the Titanic after the iceberg has been hit?
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 17:48
        Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

      Location: Norda Fittazroy
      Revenge is a strong motivator for some people.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 18:58
        RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

      Location: Dubai UAE
      Revenge is a strong motivator for some people.
      Valvegear
      I'd rather watch her get fried by the people. I'm sure Rudd's loss speech in Sept will pull no punches.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 19:26
        QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 19:49
        VRfan Moderator

      Location: In front of my computer :-p
      Hes not PM yet. He's only the leader of the federal labour party
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 19:58
        VRfan Moderator

      Location: In front of my computer :-p
      Hes not PM yet. He's only the leader of the federal labour party
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 19:58
        lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

      Location: Somewhere you're not
      Ballot was won 57-45 In Rudd's favour
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 20:00
        Albert Chief Commissioner

      Hes not PM yet. He's only the leader of the federal labour party
      VRfan

      He is now, Wilkie has given him support, keeping Labor in power.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 20:27
        Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

      Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
      He isn't the PM yet, some finer details to go through involving the Independents. Julia Gillard is still the PM until the Governer-General says otherwise.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 20:32
        Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

      Location: University of Adelaide SA
      He isn't the PM yet, some finer details to go through involving the Independents. Julia Gillard is still the PM until the Governer-General says otherwise.
      "Gman_86"

      Correct, no one is ever PM until the GG signs to say so.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 21:05
        gippslander Chief Commissioner

      Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
      Correct, no one is ever PM until the GG signs to say so.
      "Aaron"


      Rudd will have to convince the GG that he has the confidence of the House of Reps. If he has the numbers (and I suspect his supporters would have stitched up the Independents in advance of tonight's vote), then the GG will swear him in.
      At least we will have a contest, otherwise there would have been a massive coalition victory that would have ensured there would have been no effective opposition. That would not have been good for democracy.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 21:11
        Donald Chief Commissioner

      Location: Donald. Duck country.
      When TA puts the no confidence motion tomorrow, it will be up to Oakeshott & Windsor to decide if they will can Rudd.   Their Labor allegiance was with Gillard only.

      PM Tony by tomorrow night?
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 21:14
        RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

      Location: Dubai UAE
      When TA puts the no confidence motion tomorrow, it will be up to Oakeshott & Windsor to decide if they will can Rudd.   Their Labor allegiance was with Gillard only.

      PM Tony by tomorrow night?
      Donald
      Election may go early then? These two independents may side with Rudd knowing it matters little. If election is called immediately, thats about 3rd week of July or on current plan mid Sept. 7-8 weeks difference without the house sitting, diffeernce, minimal.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 21:47
        RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

      Location: Dubai UAE
      Rudd will have to convince the GG that he has the confidence of the House of Reps. If he has the numbers (and I suspect his supporters would have stitched up the Independents in advance of tonight's vote), then the GG will swear him in.
      At least we will have a contest, otherwise there would have been a massive coalition victory that would have ensured there would have been no effective opposition. That would not have been good for democracy.
      gippslander
      Issue is Rudd is hardly clean himself. He has a history, more liked by some ALP but not by all, but I doubt the tide will change much as I suspect much of the damage is done, maybe a few seats.

      The next leader of the ALP and next PM from Labour has just moved into the Deputy position. Rudd is just keeping the seat warm, he will not lead ALP to the next term of govt.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 21:50
        Speed Minister for Railways

      With these past couple of changes in leader of the Federal Labor Party, I have thought of former German Chancellor, Gerhardt Schroeder. The trade-unions with which his Social-democratic Party was affilliated became disaffected with him. He was ousted as leader but remained Chancellor into the next election. After the election, the Social Democratic party formed government in a coalition with the Christian Democratic Union and the combined parties had the choice to vote for him as Chancellor for yet another term. They chose Angela Merkel instead.

      If I were Gillard right now, I'd ask the Governor-General to dissolve Parliament on Thursday. I'd then travel to Indonesia as Prime Minister and announce my retirement from Jakarta. When the member for Warringah screamed that I was supposed to be "in care-taker mode", I'd point out that he's been screaming that since February.

      According to Albert, Rudd has the numbers to win a no-confidence motion, should a no-confidence motion be raised tomorrow. This means that the member for Warringah won't be asked to form a care-taker government this week. Even if the Government lost a no-confidence motion, there isn't a clear reason other than party political-allegiances for him rather than the incumbent Prime Minister to be a care-taker.

      On another note, I heard some time between nine and ten this morning that Windsor has cleared the way for Barnaby Joyce to lead the Nationals in the House of Representatives. With Oakeshott announcing his retirement earlier, it seems that both have suffered with the venomous ranting and drivel of people like 2301.
      Posted: 26 Jun 2013 21:56

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