Suitable Bogies for Lima Overland/Southern Aurora/Vinelander Sleepers

 
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
I've recently acquired a few Lima coaches that are missing their bogies and was hoping somebody could point me in the right direction for suitable replacements. Ideally I'd like something to suit the Overland or Vinelander, but I also don't require it to be exact.

I tried one of the Powerline Commonwealth Bogies I had on hand and found they don't clip in correctly (clearly different ride height to the Lima ones), so they can't be used regardless of whether they were correct or not.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to get some suitable bogies and how to mount them?

Thanks.

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  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
I used a Powerline Commonwealth bogie on a Lima car with a minor modification - I got a narrow KFC straw (the ones from Maccas/HJ's are way too big), melted one end to form a lip and put it through the underframe (you need the roof off to do this), then cut it to size and bent the straw around the original Powerline clip. Basically, once you've got the straw inside the Lima bogie bolster, fold the straw in half so you have a "B" shape, this makes the holes just big enough for the bogie's clip to fit inside but not fall out when you lift it up. To get the correct height, I simply used some small hex nuts I had lying around (make sure the hole is large enough to go over the straw), 5-6mm wide nuts gave me the right height IIRC.

Personally though, I'd ditch the Powerline wheelsets for some better quality ones (e.g. SEM disc wheels or whichever brand you prefer), as not only do they make carriages roll like a cheap Tyco model and wobble around, the metal coating on the wheels flaked off my ones within a month or two of use. In fact, the cheap plastic Lima wheelsets even roll better in the Powerline bogies than their own metal wheelsets (although the Lima wheels are either 40" diameter or OO scale, one or the other).
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
You might and I did say might be able to get them as spare parts from Hornby as the later IP/Ghan cars released have the proper bogie on them now. You might also try dealers in spare parts both here in Australia and overseas to see if they have any of these in stock. The IP /Ghan type cars were sold in both America and Canada but painted up for local railroad company's in each place.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I still have original Lima Overland carraiges,I was lucky enough to come across a second hand carraige at my local hobby shop, Hornby did do a limited re-release a few years back, but trhe quality was not as good asthe originals. Try the Rail Hobby shops u may just be lucky, as I was........................
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for the suggestions so far. I'll contact the hobby shops I know and see if any of them can help me.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
If you can't get them then some styrene blocks glued securely over the old clip in holes in the floor and add a bogie that would pass for it screwed into the block. It is simple enough to do. The styrene should be available from any good hobby shop in the Evergreen range of styrene, you may have to laminate it up though. The bogies can be anything that will pass for IP type bogies possibly some American Brand. Walthers come's to mind here. The Kadee couplers can then be body mounted on the ends using the same method as the bogies to get them the right height.

Check out Walthers website, Google, Walthers Model trains and it should locate the Walthers website for you.
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
If you can't get them then some styrene blocks glued securely over the old clip in holes in the floor and add a bogie that would pass for it screwed into the block. It is simple enough to do. The styrene should be available from any good hobby shop in the Evergreen range of styrene, you may have to laminate it up though. The bogies can be anything that will pass for IP type bogies possibly some American Brand. Walthers come's to mind here. The Kadee couplers can then be body mounted on the ends using the same method as the bogies to get them the right height.

Check out Walthers website, Google, Walthers Model trains and it should locate the Walthers website for you.
David Peters
Thanks David. I've already converted the coaches I have that still have their bogies to Kadees and my intention was to do so with these once I had located some bogies to go under them.

I've had a response from Casula and Joe said they weren't available, so my guess is the other hobby shops I've contacted/will contact will say the same.

I've put a post in the Wanted thread in the hopes that somebody might have some second-hand. Can't hurt to cast a wide net.
  CR_Sandfly Beginner

Location: North of Adelaide
not sure of these but check End Of The Line Hobbies web site item 2580 "Bruce Overland Bogies Kit"
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Thanks David. I've already converted the coaches I have that still have their bogies to Kadees and my intention was to do so with these once I had located some bogies to go under them.

I've had a response from Casula and Joe said they weren't available, so my guess is the other hobby shops I've contacted/will contact will say the same.

I've put a post in the Wanted thread in the hopes that somebody might have some second-hand. Can't hurt to cast a wide net.
TheMeddlingMonk
Just as a bit of a heads up and no disrespect to any shop here but just because one shop says they cannot get them does not mean they are not available. Years back I wanted something and got told by one shop they were no longer made, went to another shop and got told the same, so ended up going to a third shop and the owner said no problems and I had them 2 weeks later. So it pays at times to shop around a bit. Mine was a plastic kit made by Heljan, but the principle is still the same.
  Captain Underpants Train Controller

I've recently acquired a few Lima coaches that are missing their bogies and was hoping somebody could point me in the right direction for suitable replacements. Ideally I'd like something to suit the Overland or Vinelander, but I also don't require it to be exact.

I tried one of the Powerline Commonwealth Bogies I had on hand and found they don't clip in correctly (clearly different ride height to the Lima ones), so they can't be used regardless of whether they were correct or not.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to get some suitable bogies and how to mount them?

Thanks.
TheMeddlingMonk
Hey Monk, try here http://www.traintrader.com.au/ . I've been lucky enough to get spares over the years from here.
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Hey Monk, try here http://www.traintrader.com.au/ . I've been lucky enough to get spares over the years from here.
Captain Underpants

Thanks for the suggestion - tried them and they actually said to let them know if I found a source, since they were chasing them as well!
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
From my enquiries, the information I've been given is that the Lima coaches are no longer in production and are out of stock at the Australian supplier. There are no spare parts available for them, so whatever coaches are left at hobby stores are it. Otherwise one must look to second-hand sources.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
From my enquiries, the information I've been given is that the Lima coaches are no longer in production and are out of stock at the Australian supplier. There are no spare parts available for them, so whatever coaches are left at hobby stores are it. Otherwise one must look to second-hand sources.
TheMeddlingMonk
Yes that could well be so as they are no longer listed on Hornby International website under Lima. They list all the rest but no Australian models. Well they were not listed on them the last time I was on there a couple of weeks back.

Most probably poor sellers due to the high prices they were asking for these models. Sixty dollars or more for a basic IP/Ghan coach was  way over the top. If they had upgraded them at all then maybe but a straight reissue of the former boxes on wheels as they have been described and at a very inflated cost was not going to sell them to many.

One other Idea is to keep an eye out at exhibitions on second hand stalls as well for a fraction of the cost you get the bogies and another car you can make into whatever you like really.
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Yes that could well be so as they are no longer listed on Hornby International website under Lima. They list all the rest but no Australian models. Well they were not listed on them the last time I was on there a couple of weeks back.

Most probably poor sellers due to the high prices they were asking for these models. Sixty dollars or more for a basic IP/Ghan coach was  way over the top. If they had upgraded them at all then maybe but a straight reissue of the former boxes on wheels as they have been described and at a very inflated cost was not going to sell them to many.

One other Idea is to keep an eye out at exhibitions on second hand stalls as well for a fraction of the cost you get the bogies and another car you can make into whatever you like really.
David Peters

Mm. Had the price not been so high, I would have been tempted to buy some from my local hobby shop (which I know still has quite a number).

The Caulfield Exhibition was the next place I would look, had I not sourced any by then. Thanks to some Railpage members, I've had some offers of second-hand ones, so it looks like my needs have been met. Hopefully the information in this thread will be of use to others seeking the bogies in future or alternatives.

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