Outer Harbour line double/single track

 
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Tony

In days of yore the down track used to cross Lady Ruthen Drive twice.
The first crossing was at the north end of the short northern straight before the bend to head towards the harbour and be parallel with LR Drive.
The down track to the pax platform then turned north and cross LR Drive again. Look closely at the Google map and you can see a reservation just south of LR Drive

There was a facing junction about where South Australia One Drive is located for tracks leading to the wharf. Boat trains used these tracks and later stock trains. The junction was protected by an Outlying Switch Lock and a two arm, one light absolute semaphore. There was a country privy type phone hut which probably had the selector for releasing the signal.
The junction disappeared with the redevelopment of Outer Harbour access some years before the marina development when the down track was shifted north of LR Drive.

The up track had a trailing siding running into what is now the golf course to serve what I think was a concrete pipe plant. There were other trailing connections including that returning from the wharf. Each had a disk starter type signal controlling movements from the siding and an OSL locking the points. All mainline signals except at the junction I mentioned were permissive.

Regards
Ian
"steam4ian"


G'day Ian

I remember the track being on the south of Lady Ruthen Drive (although the road name was different back then). There was also a connection from the northern end of the wharves that crossed Victoria Road near the Yacht Squadron that connected back onto the loop line.
The siding you mention would have gone into the property just east of the golf course where a business called "SteelMains" was located. I believe they made large steel pipes (maybe for the then E&WS for the mid north pipelines - Morgan to Whyalla)
I can remember seeing a few the stock trains on the wharf in the very late 70's when I worked for a company that did repair work on the sheep carriers. Yes the sheep for live export were bought in via train! However I only saw this on maybe two occassions before the sheep were bought in via semis.
I can also remember at least one stock train at Berth 11 (inner harbour) as the smaller sheep carriers would use Berth 11/12

Damn! that was only 35 years ago!!!

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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Interesting.

Would that be this track visible in Google Street View (dated 2009)?

http://goo.gl/maps/LgDTG
Calgully
It would be. I'm guessing that subdivision with the corner sticking out was built some time after the track rationalisation happened.

You can see it on the satellite photo view as well, in which it is a lot more obvious that it lines up with the rail corridor to the east and the useless shared path to the west.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Looking at the cadastre (land parcels) overlay in the Google map and delving into the more distant realms of my mind you can see the railway once approached the Outer Harbor wharf from the south from the southern side of Lady Ruthven Drive and rejoined the  main line to the south of the RSAYS, running either side of the wharf sheds.    
You can also see where the railway crossed back over Lady Ruthven Drive to the Outer Harbor station - there is a diagonal patch in the bitumen just west of the junction of Lady Ruthven Drive and South Australia One Drive and this leads through a gap in the Norfolk Island pines.
The connections from the Outer Harbor loop were severed after the line via Pelican Point was built - this became the access to the wharf.
This connection is now no longer either stopping a little short of Coghlin Road.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
There is a drawing of Outer Harbour in all its forms in "Rails through Swamp and Sand " on page 85 it shows the original Outer Harbour station as well as the current one too. It also shows the loop in full and the siding off, of the loop as well. This drawing is for 1908-1974 and shows the 1974 deviation that is still used. I would scan it and put it up only I cannot get it to work on here.
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
wouldnt it be good if rail services could run every 15 minutes due to dual track until just past north haven!
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
wouldnt it be good if rail services could run every 15 minutes due to dual track until just past north haven!
Heath Loxton
Who the heck would use it, go there off peak and hardly anyone really uses it, you get some but not a lot. Might not get too many during peak as well. That is one reason it was done the way it is loadings are very light at that end of the line, but are better as you get closer towards Adelaide. It would be a waste of time, money and fuel running a empty or near empty railcar there every 15 minutes. Something has to be carried to make even a trip possible. The Public Transport system and train in particular are really no longer a run every so often because two people want it, it runs to cater now for the masses like it or loathe it.
  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
wouldnt it be good if rail services could run every 15 minutes due to dual track until just past north haven!
Heath Loxton

Heath, what is in anyway "good" about needlessly wasting my tax dollars and very likely pushing up the cost of public transport fares?  

Richard.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Quite frankly, is there even a need for the service to run passed North Haven Station at all?

It's not as though the Outer Harbor platform is a huge collection point for regular passengers.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
Quite frankly, is there even a need for the service to run passed North Haven Station at all?

It's not as though the Outer Harbor platform is a huge collection point for regular passengers.
Pressman

That occurred to me too.  I doubt that anyone commutes from OH.  Maybe you get a couple of day trippers with fishing lines or something - but I cant imagine there's much at all.

Might be better to re-instate a station at the site of Yerlo and terminate all trains there - at least that would be near houses.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Quite frankly, is there even a need for the service to run passed North Haven Station at all?

It's not as though the Outer Harbor platform is a huge collection point for regular passengers.
Pressman
There certainly isn't the need to run the trains that far and duplicate the service with the 333 bus route. One or the other please, not both.
  tonyp Chief Commissioner

Location: Shoalhaven
This is the closest thread I can find for my question. Does anybody know what year the Outer Harbour balloon loop was built? TIA
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
This is the closest thread I can find for my question. Does anybody know what year the Outer Harbour balloon loop was built? TIA
tonyp
Try this link for some info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Harbor_railway_station

It says the current station was opened in 1926
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

The book "Australian Railway Routes" indicates the "Outer Harbor extension" was opened in March 1910. This appears to be the balloon loop, closed in 1990.
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

Quite frankly, is there even a need for the service to run passed North Haven Station at all?

It's not as though the Outer Harbor platform is a huge collection point for regular passengers.

That occurred to me too.  I doubt that anyone commutes from OH.  
Calgully

I have seen the line very busy full-looking 3-car trains when cruise ships are at Outer Harbour. It's a pity the line can only support half-hourly services at its extremity.

When waiting for an uncle and aunt who were on a cruise back in April, there was a steady stream of cruise ship passengers going to the train station.  Only a few were met by tour buses or local residents. The majority appeared to take the train into the city. If there were not the train service, cruise ships would probably be serviced by a direct express bus to the city.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Quite frankly, is there even a need for the service to run passed North Haven Station at all?

It's not as though the Outer Harbor platform is a huge collection point for regular passengers.

That occurred to me too.  I doubt that anyone commutes from OH.  

I have seen the line very busy full-looking 3-car trains when cruise ships are at Outer Harbour. It's a pity the line can only support half-hourly services at its extremity.

When waiting for an uncle and aunt who were on a cruise back in April, there was a steady stream of cruise ship passengers going to the train station.  Only a few were met by tour buses or local residents. The majority appeared to take the train into the city. If there were not the train service, cruise ships would probably be serviced by a direct express bus to the city.
mm42
Rather on wasting money to duplicate infrastrue that is most likely not viable in the first place. When a Crusie ship is in a DMU cpuld make its way out there inbetween services and part at the far end of the platform or off the platform and provide an addition service or two between the usual during the peak arriving time of the pax off the ship. 2 x DMU's could run out together then provide a 15min service for 1hr as the ship unloads. Then maybe a few specials at departure time.

Old station north of North Haven is barely 450m away and on on edge of suburbia so no need to bring back to life, the current one is better located.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
The book "Australian Railway Routes" indicates the "Outer Harbor extension" was opened in March 1910. This appears to be the balloon loop, closed in 1990.
duttonbay
In the book "Rails through Swamp and Sand" there is a diagram on page 85 of the Outer Harbour loops. The original station from 1908 - 1925 was located almost on the wharf, but later was replaced with one in the present location around 1926. The later move of the railway station required that the railway line cross Lady Gowrie Drive twice so in 1974 a deviation was built on the opposite side of Lady Gowrie Drive and so eliminated the level crossings on this Drive. The only level crossing then was on the Outer Harbor Road. The history of both stations is also written up on page 87 of the same book for those interested in it! There are histories for just about all the stations on the Outer Harbour and Henley beach lines in this book including the line to Hendon.

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