Noarlunga Line Shutdown

 
  1S47 Assistant Commissioner

Location: On the Down Fast
Two new signals have been installed at the Millswood loop.  They are not lit yet.
One signal is for the up direction, the other for the down.  
Both are on the main line and are simple 3-aspect LED types.
There are no signals on the loop line yet, and no junction signals in either direction which would control entry to the loop.

Unless there is significant installation in the next few days, it looks like the Belair line might be re-opened with the Millswood crossing loop inoperative and all trains using the main line.

Incidentally, signal NR4 on the ARTC line which used to protect Goodwood Junction (and has been in use through the rebuild so far) has now been removed.  Not surprising, because I can't imagine the circumstances when a SG train would now be stopped at this signal.

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  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
NR3 also being removed as part of project
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
Two new signals have been installed at the Millswood loop.  They are not lit yet.
One signal is for the up direction, the other for the down.  
Both are on the main line and are simple 3-aspect LED types.
There are no signals on the loop line yet, and no junction signals in either direction which would control entry to the loop.

Unless there is significant installation in the next few days, it looks like the Belair line might be re-opened with the Millswood crossing loop inoperative and all trains using the main line.

Incidentally, signal NR4 on the ARTC line which used to protect Goodwood Junction (and has been in use through the rebuild so far) has now been removed.  Not surprising, because I can't imagine the circumstances when a SG train would now be stopped at this signal.
1S47
Over the past few days LED signal heads have been appearing along the Belair line from Mile End right through to Millswood including new signals at Keswick, Wayville Stn and Goodwood Stn.  The new down signal 511 at the south end of Goodwood Stn will be the junction signal controlling the entry to the Millswood loop.  The points at the north end of the loop were being wired up this afternoon.  The old signal gantry complete with signal 439 from the old Down Noarlunga line at the south end of the Showground has now appeared at the trackside at the south entry to the Millswood loop, where a concrete foundation has been poured.  A quick look at the Belair temporary timetable seems to indicate that no crossings are scheduled for Millswood at present.

AlexC
  62430 Chief Train Controller

Location: Metro Adelaide
The photos below taken on Monday give new meaning to change of gauge!  RIP Gaol Loop.  Gantry footings have appeared in the trackbed.

S from Port Road bridge



N from Port Road bridge
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

That should get the "reopen the Gaol loop" crowd to pipe down.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
That should get the "reopen the Gaol loop" crowd to pipe down.
"justapassenger"

Yes, but what about the 'variable gauge trains' mob?
  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
Yes, but what about the 'variable gauge trains' mob?
Aaron
And that gauge certainly is variable!

Richard
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
We're getting Narrow Gauge as well?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Are they portal footings or signal footings? I suppose they are probably for both.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Love it! Laughing

But the gaol loop can begin closer to ARS?

The recent Belair Time Table shows that the early trains 0510 ex ARS could be eliminated with express running of an empty train from DCD via the Gaol loop to Belair.

Never let a good argument die.

Regards
Ian
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Shame about the loop, but obviously this was their solution to needing more clearance between the main line and the overhead structures. In hindsight it would have been better to move all 5 tracks over about 4 foot, there is enough room under the bridge due to the removal of the depot yard lead.
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

I saw some masts erected near Daws road bridge today and I also saw a hole dug near the footpath behind the station at Oaklands which appears to be where a portal structure will be placed for overhead wires.
  Top Cat Assistant Commissioner

Location: Under Hilton Bridge
There is still plenty of room for the Goal Loop to be reconnected "one day" where the Up Suburban and Gaol Loop have parallel straight track, (a key requirement) a couple hundred metres north of Port Road...8)
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
I went past Tonsley Junction today (Sunday 7th July): it is an understandingly muddy hole with a trench across it where the reconstructed junction was even a couple of weeks ago.

The trackwork for the junction is sitting on the track to the north of the hole.

Track machines were also working on the down track just before Oaklands.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

A couple of update shots around Leader St

Kesville South crossover



Track approaching Goodwood



Goodwood station
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
That last shot helps you appreciate why 'no interchange' between the Glenelg tram and the railway lines is so silly; there should be a light rail station on top of Goodwood station.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

That last shot helps you appreciate why 'no interchange' between the Glenelg tram and the railway lines is so silly; there should be a light rail station on top of Goodwood station.
don_dunstan

Don

Even as far away as Melbourne it is obvious!

A lost opportunity. Goodwood will have almost no traffic if Belair trains also stop at Kesville (Waywick).

Ian
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Don

Even as far away as Melbourne it is obvious!

A lost opportunity. Goodwood will have almost no traffic if Belair trains also stop at Kesville (Waywick).

Ian
steam4ian
I think you'll find there are virtually no houses closer to Waywick than Goodwood, the Leader Street flats are borderline. For people using it as a destination, it is likely to be the former Keswick users.
To create an interchange to current standards, you need lifts and stairs between both sides of the tram track and both islands, four in all. Cheapest is allowing pedestrians crossing the tracks and two long ramps. The bridge structure is fairly light so the usual gold plated massive structure (see the Oaklands proposal) would present loading issues.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I think you'll find there are virtually no houses closer to Waywick than Goodwood, the Leader Street flats are borderline. For people using it as a destination, it is likely to be the former Keswick users.
To create an interchange to current standards, you need lifts and stairs between both sides of the tram track and both islands, four in all. Cheapest is allowing pedestrians crossing the tracks and two long ramps. The bridge structure is fairly light so the usual gold plated massive structure (see the Oaklands proposal) would present loading issues.
62440

If (for example) you were going from Belair/Tonsley/Seaford and wanted a destination south of Vic Square, it would be ideal for you to change at Goodwood for the tram.  I recall being on a train once that stopped at Goodwood and the driver announced a car had crashed onto the tracks ahead at Clarence Park so we couldn't go any further; it was a really long walk to the tram stop.  An interchange would be to allow some redundancy in the operation of both southern trains/Glenelg trams, not really aimed at local access.

Agree with you that it would probably be quite expensive for a modern interchange to be constructed; in an ideal world it would happen.
  SAR526 Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, South Australia.
I think you'll find there are virtually no houses closer to Waywick than Goodwood, the Leader Street flats are borderline. For people using it as a destination, it is likely to be the former Keswick users.
To create an interchange to current standards, you need lifts and stairs between both sides of the tram track and both islands, four in all. Cheapest is allowing pedestrians crossing the tracks and two long ramps. The bridge structure is fairly light so the usual gold plated massive structure (see the Oaklands proposal) would present loading issues.
62440
In my predictably doomed attempt to keep a rebuilt Keswick (with direct access to Adelaide Parkway terminal and access under Anzac Highway to the show grounds), I pointed out, as Bill has said, that the permanent population distribution in the foreseeable future favours Goodwood, and also the need for a tram/train interchange. Having been a very frequent user of Goodwood in the past, and having walked with one gammy leg between the Highway bridge and Goodwood while photographing the rail site works a couple of weeks ago, I am still sure that the retention of Goodwood and the building of an interchange is necessary.

It doesn't need to consist of more than relatively light weight structures capable of carrying a load of up to 50 people (school excursions) cantilevered out from the overpass with simple tram shelters on them and maybe a couple of support columns plus lifts to the platforms. They could even offer much better shelter than the wind and rain swept megastructure at South Road (have you waited there on a rainy day, as I have?).

Over engineering is killing off all sorts of necessary improvements to our railway systems. In Melbourne the cost of a couple of kilometres of rail extension on a former rail route and a new railway station or two is astronomical. Former Victorian Railways officials must be spinning in their graves at the expense.

Here, and much closer to home, I and other Oaklands LOCAL residents want the present very convenient ground level station retained. There is a huge amount of open space available to allow gently graded ramps to take the roads over the station area and free us from the need to climb long flights of stairs or wait for lifts while the train leaves. Ask the commuters of Mawson Lakes what they think of their terminal and having to be bused to Green Fields.

I am pretty sure that the palatial station in the sky at Oaklands will be pie in the sky. It would cost a fortune to build, and future governments will do what they have done now for forty of fifty years and perpetuate the Oaklands bottleneck long past my lifetime and perhaps yours as well.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
If (for example) you were going from Belair/Tonsley/Seaford and wanted a destination south of Vic Square, it would be ideal for you to change at Goodwood for the tram.  I recall being on a train once that stopped at Goodwood and the driver announced a car had crashed onto the tracks ahead at Clarence Park so we couldn't go any further; it was a really long walk to the tram stop.  An interchange would be to allow some redundancy in the operation of both southern trains/Glenelg trams, not really aimed at local access.

Agree with you that it would probably be quite expensive for a modern interchange to be constructed; in an ideal world it would happen.
don_dunstan
It's probably not even a quarter mile to the tram stop...

You were on a down service, in which case the walk to the tram is the least of your worries because a down tram was always going to drop you more than a quarter mile further from your train stop anyway.

Goodwood train station is closer to the tram line than ARS is to the main CBD, only marginally further on my reckoning than Rundle Mall. ARS to Rundle Mall may even be about the same distance as tram to Goodwood RS.
  mclaren2007 Assistant Commissioner

Location: recharging my myki
They should have built when the original bridge was done. We don't need the line closed any more thankyou.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

It's probably not even a quarter mile to the tram stop...

You were on a down service, in which case the walk to the tram is the least of your worries because a down tram was always going to drop you more than a quarter mile further from your train stop anyway.

Goodwood train station is closer to the tram line than ARS is to the main CBD, only marginally further on my reckoning than Rundle Mall. ARS to Rundle Mall may even be about the same distance as tram to Goodwood RS.
Aaron

Aaron

It is all about perception and apparent convenience and connectivity.

There is no cover from rail or sun along the route.

There is no mention in time tables that such a walked connection is possible.

As such some elevated platforms for the tram would not need a very elaborate structure but would need at least 2 lifts, preferably 4.

Ian
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It is all about perception and apparent convenience and connectivity.

There is no cover from rail or sun along the route.
steam4ian
Then as always, it's perception that is to blame. There is seldom cover between ARS and the CBD, save for some awnings either...
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
It doesn't need to consist of more than relatively light weight structures capable of carrying a load of up to 50 people (school excursions) cantilevered out from the overpass with simple tram shelters on them and maybe a couple of support columns plus lifts to the platforms. They could even offer much better shelter than the wind and rain swept megastructure at South Road (have you waited there on a rainy day, as I have?).
SAR526
If it was constructed as a platform on either side, rather than a central platform, it would not only be better protected from the elements, but may be able to use ramps and steps on on platform, thus saving the cost of 2 lifts.

To be honest the entire overpass probably does need a rebuild, a new one with 2 tram platforms, a bike/walking trail, would work well I think. However it really should be constructed as a covered bridge (at least for the portion over the tracks), this would solve issues with weather hitting the platform and prevent contact with 25Kv below. No sapol approved wire mesh nonsense either, glass or steel sheeting or don't bother.

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