StClair Station

 
  62440 Chief Commissioner

This is a new station on the Outer Harbour line by the shopping centre serving the development on the old Cheltenham Rasecourse. It is located across Cheltenham Road from the old Racecourse special events platforms.
The line was straightened for the station as part of Racecourse demolition.
Construction has started on site with excavation for services.
One suspects it will be opened before the next State election.

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  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

This is a new station on the Outer Harbour line by the shopping centre serving the development on the old Cheltenham Rasecourse. It is located across Cheltenham Road from the old Racecourse special events platforms.
The line was straightened for the station as part of Racecourse demolition.
Construction has started on site with excavation for services.
One suspects it will be opened before the next State election.
62440

Designed without allowance for future electrification!

Don't ask how I know.Sad
  62440 Chief Commissioner

A couple of shots from the back of scruffy Jumbo 2112. Progress below ground so far but with concrete in we can expect to see more action soon.





Standing on the rail, naughty!
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Designed without allowance for future electrification!

Don't ask how I know.Sad
steam4ian
Its public knowledge to anyone that read that set of parliamentary notices. The opposition raised the issue in parliament.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It's also quite decent, given that the chance of Outer Harbour getting electrified in the near-medium future is about the same as Richie Porte winning the Tour de France. Possible, but extremely unlikely.

IF the line ever gets electrified, the shelter can simply be replaced with a new electrification-compatible structure. The first one could then be relocated for use at a bus interchange somewhere.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

Standing on the rail, naughty!
"62440"


I have noticed Stop boards on the tracks whilst work is being done along with a PTS employee usually stationed on the western side of the Cheltenham Pde crossing. I did hear (a while back) that the intention was to pilot trains passed the work site whilst it was active, Not sure if this is the case though.

Interesting to notice that the entry to the south side platform work site is through a private cark park.

Edit: both Google Maps and Street View are that far out of date they both still show the old Racecourse Platform still intact!
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

It's also quite decent, given that the chance of Outer Harbour getting electrified in the near-medium future is about the same as Richie Porte winning the Tour de France. Possible, but extremely unlikely.

IF the line ever gets electrified, the shelter can simply be replaced with a new electrification-compatible structure. The first one could then be relocated for use at a bus interchange somewhere.
justapassenger

It would need to be electrified if the line becomes light rail compatible wouldn't it?
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
It would need to be electrified if the line becomes light rail compatible wouldn't it?
Milkomeda
Correct, trams still need some structures to be earthed, mostly fences near the rail.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It would need to be electrified if the line becomes light rail compatible wouldn't it?
Milkomeda
IF that were to happen then it would, but rebuilding all the platforms (or raising the tracks) would make the modification of station structures a rounding error on the project cost. But the chance of it getting either a light rail conversion or electrification for commuter rail in the next ten years is so small (see above comment about Richie Porte winning the yellow jersey in two weeks' time) it wouldn't be worth worrying about in the near-medium term.

It has been suggested on here that light rail electrification would allow some station structures incompatible with 25 kV AC electrification to be used with minimal or no modification. But given all the other crap that has been posted on here by people who have lived their whole lives in SA and hence have no expertise relating to AC electrified railways, I'd avoid taking it too seriously until it's confirmed by an interstate/international consultant who knows what they're talking about.

Regardless, I don't think that avoiding the need to modify a couple of station shelters is an appropriate basis for spending $$$$$$$ on taking away commuter trains and chucking around the commuters on trams instead.
  Station_Mutt Locomotive Fireman

Location: Near the Cafeteria of the Adelaide Parklands Terminal!
Wearing an orange track suit top, not the jacket with the reflective vest, day&night one, and also appears not to be wearing a hard hat either...., indeed... no WOH&S in mind there.

Granted the pix is not that clear....

And granted I am no expert either.

But still, it does pose a q as to what is appropriate wear and behaviour.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

It's also quite decent, given that the chance of Outer Harbour getting electrified in the near-medium future is about the same as Richie Porte winning the Tour de France. Possible, but extremely unlikely.

IF the line ever gets electrified, the shelter can simply be replaced with a new electrification-compatible structure. The first one could then be relocated for use at a bus interchange somewhere.
justapassenger

The issue is a bit more than the shelter.

If it was "public knowledge" why didn't the design supervisors know?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The issue is a bit more than the shelter.

If it was "public knowledge" why didn't the design supervisors know?
"steam4ian"

It's public knowledge that the station impedes electrification, the design supervisors probably did/do know this, but were probably presented with a brief that did not mention electrification. Small indeed is the impediment of St Clair in comparison with the issues on the rest of the line.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

I have noticed Stop boards on the tracks whilst work is being done along with a PTS employee usually stationed on the western side of the Cheltenham Pde crossing. I did hear (a while back) that the intention was to pilot trains passed the work site whilst it was active, Not sure if this is the case though.

Interesting to notice that the entry to the south side platform work site is through a private cark park.

Edit: both Google Maps and Street View are that far out of date they both still show the old Racecourse Platform still intact!
Pressman
There are stop boards in place which are removed as the train approaches and replaced immediately after passing
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  sr1180 Locomotive Fireman

Correct, trams still need some structures to be earthed, mostly fences near the rail.
fabricator

Most of them around here are not - because somebody has flogged the cables.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
One good thing for me anyway will be that I can get to Bunnings or Hardly Normal without have to take a cut lunch and a water bottle for the trek from Woodville Station. This trip is a swine in wet or hot weather, be much quicker now though. Tis really a pity they never considered putting in another platform on the Grange line though closer to Port Road probably on the Southern side as their is plenty of room there.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
Tis really a pity they never considered putting in another platform on the Grange line though closer to Port Road probably on the Southern side as their is plenty of room there.
David Peters

There's an idea!  They could call it - let me see - Holdens.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Yeah but Holdens would not be a good name for it really. There used to be a Holdens station where the loop is at Woodville, but now that that area has developed a lot more another station almost on Port Road would enable a lot better connection to Port Road Buses for a start as well as local residents and workers. The next nearest station to this place other than Woodville is Albert Park also a fair distance away as well. The level crossing would have to be rigged like the Park Terrace one at Bowden only when the train starts to move in the platform do the barriers come down, so that the level crossing is not a big impediment to road traffic.

I assume the level crossing on Cheltenham Parade will also have to have this done to it so as not to hold up traffic for too long on a major road.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me

I assume the level crossing on Cheltenham Parade will also have to have this done to it so as not to hold up traffic for too long on a major road.
"David Peters"

The Cheltenham Pde crossing is (and has always been) a total pain in the rear!!
UP trains trigger the crossing before they stop at the Cheltenham Station, so you wait and wait for it to pass. I have timed it in excess of 2 minutes some mornings. (And the former TSR through the old Racecourse platform made it even worse!)
For DOWN trains the wait is far less.
The addition of a stop on the east side for Down trains within the trigger zone will only increase the wait for DOWN trains!

As for the Grange line crossing at Port road .......... don't start me !!!!!!
You get massive congestion there, often with traffic banked up back beyond Findon Road.
Although to be fair, it's not the crossing that is the prime cause, it's the West Lakes Blvd, Port Rd intersection at fault. An absolute nightmare, even on weekends!
Poorly thought out entry and exits from Bunnings and Hardy Normal cark park doesn't help either!

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  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Yes that is a swine of an intersection at the best of times and I also have to agree about the car park entrances from their car parks to Port Road. The devil would love that place.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
Yes that is a swine of an intersection at the best of times and I also have to agree about the car park entrances from their car parks to Port Road. The devil would love that place.
David Peters

Looks like the Devil has installed a frightening looking catchpoint in the railway on the Down side of the LX  Smile

http://goo.gl/maps/IUwPN
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Looks like the Devil has installed a frightening looking catchpoint in the railway on the Down side of the LX  Smile

http://goo.gl/maps/IUwPN
Calgully
Not so bad. All the driver has to do is get all the passengers to sit on the right of the train (or left on the Adelaide bound) as they go over it. That way, it lifts the wheel over the slight gap.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Looks like the Devil has installed a frightening looking catchpoint in the railway on the Down side of the LX  Smile

http://goo.gl/maps/IUwPN
Calgully
Well as a Catchpoint that is going to do the job nicely. However I think you will find that is where two photographs overlap and are out a bit, just before Heath Loxton asks why would they put a catchpoint there!Smile
  62440 Chief Commissioner

These were from the rear window of Jumbo 2003, the photographer preferred unit usually but the front window was totally obscured.

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Definitely taking shape on the down side

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I guess the concrete box is a control room of some sort
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Yes it is.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Yes it is.

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