Terminating services at intermediate stations

 
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
hi, i was wondering out of the stations on the adelaide metro network with intermediate terminating facilities; (dry creek, salisbury, elizabeth, gawler, glanville, brighton and blackwood) why do trains no longer terminate at dry creek and salisbury on the gawler line and glanville on the outer harbor line as per before?

i understand gawler and brighton are still used as terminating stations and that elizabeth may be used in the future and blackwood will definitely be used in the future due to the new belair line timetable!

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  defman Station Master

Hi Heath,

We still terminate at Salisbury... one in the morning peak. As far as Glanville is concerned... I think Glanville has gone due to operational flexibility, but I might be wrong. We will still make use of the turnback facilities for sure though.

As for Dry Creek.. It's not exactly a thriving metropolis (was it ever..?) and again.. the way the sets (timetables) are worked.. it just doesn't suit their needs.
  Jumbo2001 Junior Train Controller

Hi Heath,

We still terminate at Salisbury... one in the morning peak. As far as Glanville is concerned... I think Glanville has gone due to operational flexibility, but I might be wrong. We will still make use of the turnback facilities for sure though.

As for Dry Creek.. It's not exactly a thriving metropolis (was it ever..?) and again.. the way the sets (timetables) are worked.. it just doesn't suit their needs.
defman

Also don't forget, there is no way to get to the UP North Main from the DOWN North Main at Dry Creek unless you shunt back towards the western gate at Dry Creek Yard.

But as has been stated, all these intermediate terminii come and go as changes to timetables and demands occur. Blackwood hasn't been used as a terminus for a long time, so things as always can and will change.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
hi, i was wondering out of the stations on the adelaide metro network with intermediate terminating facilities; (dry creek, salisbury, elizabeth, gawler, glanville, brighton and blackwood) why do trains no longer terminate at dry creek and salisbury on the gawler line and glanville on the outer harbor line as per before.

i understand gawler and brighton are still used as terminating stations and that elizabeth may be used in the future and blackwood will definitely be used in the future due to the new belair line timetable!
Heath Loxton
Pictures in "Transit Australia" might reveal the answer to this good question.

One might ask the same question re Sydney's NWRL.

The SWRL has only two stations for now, and perhaps needs no intermediate turnback, though one a Glenfield might be useful.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Glanville turnbacks are now extended to Osborne giving a much improved peak service to the LeFevre. It is my understanding that the curvy up platform at Glanville is to go, and the current dead end will become the up road with the crossover removed. Note there is a crossing facility at Port Adelaide Junction as well as at Woodville.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
why did trains terminate at dry creek for so long on the west side of the island platform?
  xdford Chief Train Controller

why did trains terminate at dry creek for so long on the west side of the island platform?
Heath Loxton
When the Northfield line was closed, the service was truncated to Dry Creek and Northfield schedule trains terminated there.

Trevor
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

It could work in Adelaide, we do it over here in Perth during peak periods at Whitfords, Cockburn central, Shenton Park, Rockingham & occasionally Bassendean & Joondalup, services are well patronised and frequent and it works well here in Perth, it allows for trains servicing the outer regions to form an express service eg, "all stations from Clarkson to Stirling then express to Perth then all stations from Perth to Mandurah" (a C pattern from Clarkson to Perth) another service is the "D pattern" shuttle to Shenton Park, all stations from Perth to Shenton Park terminating at Shenton Park (6km from Perth). provided services are frequent I could see it working in Adelaide.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9nRdhIrA8M

A D pattern shuttle from Perth to Shenton Park, it's quite a popular service it's full of school students heading off to nearby Shenton College and office workers who work in Subiaco.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

It could work in Adelaide, we do it over here in Perth during peak periods at Whitfords, Cockburn central, Shenton Park, Rockingham & occasionally Bassendean & Joondalup, services are well patronised and frequent and it works well here in Perth, it allows for trains servicing the outer regions to form an express service eg, "all stations from Clarkson to Stirling then express to Perth then all stations from Perth to Mandurah" (a C pattern from Clarkson to Perth) another service is the "D pattern" shuttle to Shenton Park, all stations from Perth to Shenton Park terminating at Shenton Park (6km from Perth). provided services are frequent I could see it working in Adelaide.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9nRdhIrA8M

A D pattern shuttle from Perth to Shenton Park, it's quite a popular service it's full of school students heading off to nearby Shenton College and office workers who work in Subiaco.
thewaratahtrain

Have you been to Dry Creek?
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

I haven't been to Dry Creek, I take it it's not thriving?
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
well if it was not thriving why did services continue to terminate at dry creek up until 20 years after that lines closure?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

well if it was not thriving why did services continue to terminate at dry creek up until 20 years after that lines closure?
Heath Loxton
A combination of operational convenience (they could so they did) and inertia (the railway world is often very slow to change with the times) most likely. It only stopped when they did a complete timetable recast and stopped just tinkering around with the old timetable, but unfortunately the result was the silly skip-stop operation and the "high frequency stations."

I haven't been to Dry Creek, I take it it's not thriving?
thewaratahtrain

It's a desolate spot in the middle of an ex-industrial wasteland which is why they could plonk the new train depot there. Access to the station is now compromised by making any potential members of the public using the station take a detour around the southern end of the depot to reach the station. Staff from the depot, of course, have a dedicated gate leading straight there.

  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
First point to turn back to Adelaide on the Gawler Line. Operated as an hourly all stoppers for North Adeliade to Dry Creek. Allowed the Gawler and Gawler Central trains to run express to Dry Creek or Greenfields.

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