PIDS going bonkers

 
  frezno Junior Train Controller

Thank you for the excellent and lucid explanation.  The driver did make a very clear announcement at Richmond (as did the station staff), but I guess did not do the "disable" bit.  My only remaining question is:  Richmond direct to Flinders Street is obviously a known stopping pattern, so could the driver have reset the TD number on becoming aware of the change, or is it locked in?
Lad_Porter

Question: Do you want to sit at Richmond all day while the driver announces the stopping conditions then fluffs around with a computer and a book, working out the numbers to change the stopping conditions for ONE stop, or do you just want to get to that ONE stop.
I'd just want to get to that stop. One announcement should be more than sufficient for that kind of altered running.

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  ChoooChoo Chief Train Controller

Just wondering, for the PIDS at train station (the ones with the orange text) why do they sometimes go out of order?

I often notice the one at Springvale tends to mix up between a Pakenham and or Cranbourne train, despite no service being swapped over or cancelled.

Yet, the other stations before/after often show the correct one.

Whose role is it to correct those signs, is it at another location (and hence it doesn't get fixed).

And what causes it? Is it a software fault?

It really does disrupt a lot of people's journey when the train actually goes to the opposite destination, because once on the train it doesn't always flash up what bound train it is, just tends to read "now arriving at....." and normally you don't keep your eyes glued to it since you'd think it's safe to assume the screen on the platform is correct!
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
I heard this recorded message at Richmond today.
The 11:59am Cranbourne service will run express from South Yarra to Caulfield, stop all stations to Springvale, and then run express to Merinda Park...
Last night's rain must have been much heavier than I thought.
  712M Chief Commissioner

Trains were running express Springvale to NOBLE Park for a few hours yesterday due to flooding in the subway at Sandown Park.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
Whenever we have heavy rain it always amazes me how the subways flood. How could they have not realised that adequate drainage needed to be installed?

They are an absolutely pathetic design and most of them should be rebuilt.
  Z181 Chief Train Controller

Location: Mernda
Don't if right place to mention this but EDI Comeng 501M has a new LED Desto on the front seen at Southern Cross
  Plan B Junior Train Controller

Don't if right place to mention this but EDI Comeng 501M has a new LED Desto on the front seen at Southern Cross
Z181

Have they upgraded the internal displays as well?  Will they use the same software as the XTraps?
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
I noticed recently that on the large PIDs at Southern Cross ( the ones that display all Vline departures) that as well as the destination, platform number and departure time the display also had the type of train e.g. Velocity and number e.g. VLxx. Maybe I haven't been observant enough, but I hadn't noticed this feature before. I guess, though, that the average non gunzel traveler wouldn't take much notice of this extra information.Very Happy
  XAM2175 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Glasgow
I don't believe it's a feature per se but rather a comment manually added by the supervising staff - usually when two trains are sharing a platform or where one train will be dividing somewhere down the line. You'll also see things like "SPRINTERS 7002 and 7009", "TRAIN PAST THE BRIDGE", and "VIA PLATFORM 2" for a train on Pl 1.

They've been doing it for years, as best I can recall.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Have they upgraded the internal displays as well?  Will they use the same software as the XTraps?
Plan B
They will not be using the same software as X'Traps, unless you want to close down the Caulfield and Northern groups and only run sparks on the "Connex" side of the network (you're free to take the last Hitachi sets if you so wish). Smile

I hope the new desto is easy to read (orange LEDs are much better than illuminated flip-disc displays), the EDI destos are shocking at night, especially when there is a heap of carbon gunk over the front (which happens when a car has been a centre motor for some time). Does anyone think that the Alstom sets should have the top part cut out (where the Connex logo used to be) and a new desto fitted, instead of where the current one is? The two-line Alstom display in the window is redundant anyway, with the bottom line not used. I hope Yarra Trams takes heed, as the Citadis/B2/Z1-2 destos are just as bad.
  Calgully Deputy Commissioner

Location:
I noticed recently that on the large PIDs at Southern Cross ( the ones that display all Vline departures) that as well as the destination, platform number and departure time the display also had the type of train e.g. Velocity and number e.g. VLxx. Maybe I haven't been observant enough, but I hadn't noticed this feature before. I guess, though, that the average non gunzel traveler wouldn't take much notice of this extra information.Very Happy
L1150

Yeah they've been doing that for some time now.  I find it useful to confirm that I'm on the right train.  But I have often wondered whether the average non-gunzel would know what VL39, or even Vlocity 39 means.  Yes to railfans we know that the last two digits of the road number signifies the set number, but would Mrs average know that a carriage marked 1239 is in fact train number 39?
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Yeah they've been doing that for some time now.  I find it useful to confirm that I'm on the right train.  But I have often wondered whether the average non-gunzel would know what VL39, or even Vlocity 39 means.  Yes to railfans we know that the last two digits of the road number signifies the set number, but would Mrs average know that a carriage marked 1239 is in fact train number 39?
Calgully
By now they might.
  Z181 Chief Train Controller

Location: Mernda
The train numbers are on the screens to help the Platform staff at Southern Cross. VLine change the sets of each service serval times through day due to any reason so when the staff run sheets are printed say 1400 they are old by 1800 and can have wrong train set info. This lets them know if they have the right set on there platform and also when multiple velocities are on the platforms like especially 7/8 on a weekend.
  michaeljordan Station Master

Location: traveller
I wish these Vlocity 160 trains to be present all around the world. With their classy look and transportation facilities, i agree that Australia is one of most reliable and highly technologically equipped countries in these type of railway projects. Here are some images of Vlocity 160. I assume that Vlocity 160: number represents 160kmph?
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
The new PIDs at Footscray platform 4 show that the old errors have not been corrected plus a few new ones.
The 11.24 to Bendigo is supposed to stop all stations, so there must be references to Rupertswood and possibly other closed stations.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Yeah they've been doing that for some time now. I find it useful to confirm that I'm on the right train. But I have often wondered whether the average non-gunzel would know what VL39, or even Vlocity 39 means. Yes to railfans we know that the last two digits of the road number signifies the set number, but would Mrs average know that a carriage marked 1239 is in fact train number 39?
Calgully

What about VL00 then? Now I'll have to sit at Southern Cross looking for someone running around trying to find the mysterious train number zero. Laughing
  Plan B Junior Train Controller

I have noticed some changes recently in announcements and PIDS:

Yesterday saw a train (Xtrap) that usually displays "Not In Service" saying "Special"
This morning saw the PIDS on the platform at East Richmond say "Train Approaching Stand Clear" as our train pulled in (it was not an express) - it then reverted to normal display when the train stopped.
Saw an EDI Comeng at Richmond with the orange signage (instead of the yellow version)

Also I have noticed that the announcements of trains arriving at some stations are made when the train is on the platform (rather than 1 minute before it arrives). That change happened a few weeks ago.

Is Metro overhauling its software?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Special and Not in Service are both valid "destinations" in the PID software, although I don't remember if the old (Connex) software had Special as an option. City Loop isn't possible on X'Traps though (either is Metro). Unfortunately I only have one photo of an X'Trap showing Special and it's the internal PID (1636T 10/5/14).

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