44's at Minto

 
  alcoworldseries Deputy Commissioner

Location: Auburn
Overlooked with all the rhetoric, 44's etc are near 60 years old, the crap thats come since haven't got a hope in hell of lasting that long, totally different build ethos back then, and a classic case for the KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid), the no tech loco's will at least attempt to keep going when things go wrong, everything built since gives up.

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  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Overlooked with all the rhetoric, 44's etc are near 60 years old, the crap thats come since haven't got a hope in hell of lasting that long, totally different build ethos back then, and a classic case for the KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid), the no tech loco's will at least attempt to keep going when things go wrong, everything built since gives up.
alcoworldseries
I'm sure your theory carries weight in your own mind, but hows about you go tell the companies who are buying new motive power that. You think they're going to slap their forehead and say "oh, of course these new locos we're buying won't last sixty years. How silly of us. Better go refurbish the 44's and lash 'em up to please the train buffs". People need to pull their head out of their backsides and see the economic reality. It doesn't matter if the new locos won't last sixty years, they will last as long as the company needs them to last, at which point they will be replaced.

The important thing to remember here is the locos have not just lasted sixty years off their original construction. They've lasted sixty years because they've been forced to last for sixty years. They're always out of service getting repairs or work done, but they keep fixing them and forcing them back into service. They would have died a long time ago without money and plenty of repairs.

People can come up with whatever silly reasoning they want, old locos should have been scrapped years ago. Make the most of them whilst they're out, rather than coming up with "theories" as to why they'll stick around.
  Showtime Chief Train Controller

I think 44's are purty.....no matter how old they are.Smile
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I think 44's are purty.....no matter how old they are.Smile
Showtime
That's something we can all agree on. I never tire of seeing them hauling the trip trains, which is why I spend so many days off at Mascot. Gotta make the most of it whilst we can!
  2LaGrange Train Controller

I think the point here is 'fit for purpose'.I do not think Qube or whoever will be spending between 3.5 and 6.5 million per loco for shunting locos or trip trains on short runs with very few gradients (minto- botany) for example while they can keep a couple of 44s or 48s running for a lot less money,they are infact easy to maintain being very simple designs as long as spares are still available.SSR also have a large well maintained and reliable fleet of older locos that are perfect for infrastructure trains,they do the job and thats all thats needed why spend big money on new locos for a task where you will take ages to recover investment costs.SSR and Qube have modern locos for coal and long distance container services.While there is still a buck and tasks suitable for older lower HP locos they will be around for awhile yet.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
As expected, a number of surplus 44 Class have been set aside in storage. Qube have stored 4458*, 4461**, 4463, 4477 and 4497 at the CFCLA workshops at Goulburn:

http://www.railpage.com.au/flickr/photo/9258021677

*4458 being the only commercially owned/operated Mk1 44 Class remaining.

**4461 having been in long term storage at Minto awaiting new wheels.

I can't imagine 4483 has long before it is trucked away to be cut up (if it hasn't already), given that IRA originally bought it from CFCL Australia for the wheels...

That just leaves 4471, 4488 and 4498 still possibly in service for Qube. I strongly suspect that 4498 is already in storage at Cooks River with one defect or another however...
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Who knows where they were built?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Who knows where they were built?
Junction box
A.E. Goodwin at St Marys or Auburn, depending on the number of the loco...
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Thanks, where abouts at Auburn, the up side or down side?
  WayneTedrow Junior Train Controller

Thanks, where abouts at Auburn, the up side or down side?
Junction box

A E Goodwin, who had the license to manufacture ALCo loco's, had their Auburn plant on the northern side of Parramatta Rd Auburn, near the intersection with Duck St. All new loco's had to cross Parramatta Rd to get to Clyde yards.
  Nick-The-Great Station Staff

Location: Sydney
Wow! This thread took off in the last few days.

In the last few days, 4461 has vanished from the siding at Minto. Does anyone know if it's off to have new wheels? If so, are they likely to give it a new paint job?
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
44's all going into Storage over the coming weeks/months.

Cheers
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

44's all going into Storage over the coming weeks/months.

Cheers
LowndesJ515
Obviously so. As for simple things they seem to make the simple minded happy. For one they are probably not very OH&S friendly not being air conditioned. Is not QUBE part of P&O which hardly a company skint for cash. Maybe the old clunkers were OK to get things up and running but now they are probably hopelessly inadaquate. Maybe QUBE want to get in early before pollies bring in draconian air pollution laws once they realise this old junk is getting around. I am not a great fan of the 44 class and variants, they are hardly a patch on an ALCO FA in looks. Mind you I like to see a restored RTM etc 44 getting around on a heritage run as much as anybody else but I am not going to cry in my beer if QUBE AMEX them.
  JNSymes Junior Train Controller

Is not QUBE part of P&O which hardly a company skint for cash.
nswtrains
Nope. P&O Trans Australia is the company Corrigan & Co shaped into Qube. P&O itself/Dp world, whatever it is now, is seperate from Qube
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
In the last few days, 4461 has vanished from the siding at Minto. Does anyone know if it's off to have new wheels? If so, are they likely to give it a new paint job?
Nick-The-Great
Hi Nick, check a few posts up - 4461 has been relocated into more permanent storage in Goulburn, along with most of her sisters.

Tonight when passing MIST, I noticed 4488 fired up, and 4471 hiding at the back of "loco" along with an 80 Class and a couple of MZ's. So there's still one operational 44, for now...
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
For those interested in the two remaining operational commercial 44's (who knows how long they have left, perhaps days even?), 4488 and 4471 were lined up behind 4717 at MIST this evening on a container trip to the port. I'd be getting shots whenever possible!
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Perhaps the most obvious gap left by their withdrawl can be seen by standing trackside along the metropolitan goods lines on any given weekday.

On the 16th of May, we photographed 4477, 4458, 4488 and 4463 operating on various trip trains.

On the 19th of July, we instead photographed no 44's, their trains being hauled instead by 442, 80 and 14 class units.

Has anyone sighted 4488 or 4471 in service recently? We were expecting to see one or both of them, but perhaps the axe has fallen on them too?
  Fireman Dave Chief Commissioner

Location: Shh, I'm hiding
I'm not 100% sure about the numbers, but 3 loco's were on their way to Goulburn for storage this arvo. I presume it's 4488, 4471 and possibly 4717. So I'd say that's it for the 44s in commercial service.
  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Not that silver was a good look anyway, never say never for the comeback kings.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I'm not 100% sure about the numbers, but 3 loco's were on their way to Goulburn for storage this arvo. I presume it's 4488, 4471 and possibly 4717. So I'd say that's it for the 44s in commercial service.
Fireman Dave
It could also include 4498, which has been in storage at Cooks River for a while now.

EDIT: My apologies, it has been confirmed elsewhere as 4717.
  jcouch Assistant Commissioner

Location: Asleep on a commuter train
That was a pretty quick end from 6 nominal locos in service to the class being gone. I guess once you get below critical mass for parts the end is swift.
  jl404 Station Staff

4717-4488-4471 ran on T250 as late as Wednesday, July 17th.  Unfortunately, all locos faced the port, so the only pictures with a 44 leading were with the rear cab forward on the return to Minto (T251).
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
4717-4488-4471 ran on T250 as late as Wednesday, July 17th.  Unfortunately, all locos faced the port, so the only pictures with a 44 leading were with the rear cab forward on the return to Minto (T251).
jl404
Thanks for the extra info - I did get shown a photo of the l/e movement to Goulburn, 4488 leading 4471 and 4717, as you say, all backwards.
  petey3801 Chief Commissioner

Location: On the rails
I got a few photos of them around Moss Vale on Monday, will post them when I finish uploading them (and the rest of the Sydney holiday photos) later today.

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