The Ashes

 
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
There is a discussion going on over on RMWeb about whether Broad should have walked or not, with most taking the view that he should have, in the 'Spirit of the Game'. However several still manage to stereotype Australians as being cheats because we don't' walk, saying things like 'it is not in our psyche'.

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  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
I have no problem with Broad not walking if the umpire didn't give him out, but if he watched the replay on the screen and saw how bad the decision was, he should have gone then as it was so obvious.  
What's the betting that Aleem Derrrr doesn't get the next test?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Broad once again demonstrated why the DRS should be taken out of the hands of the players. It's purpose was to eliminate "howlers", and this was the howler to end all.
It must be changed to allow the third umpire to intervene is instances like this.
Aleem Dar has been a respected umpire for some years ( except by Warne, and who cares?), but he did himself no favours with this decision.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

I have no problem with Broad not walking if the umpire didn't give him out, but if he watched the replay on the screen and saw how bad the decision was, he should have gone then as it was so obvious.  
What's the betting that Aleem Derrrr doesn't get the next test?
Donald
Didn't see it live, but on first glance it looked like he's cut it straight to first slip.  On slomo he's edged it to the keepers gloves and then to 21st slip.  The fact the Ump saw it came off the gloves to means it wasn't the real howler painted in the press.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Didn't see it live, but on first glance it looked like he's cut it straight to first slip.  On slomo he's edged it to the keepers gloves and then to 21st slip.  The fact the Ump saw it came off the gloves to means it wasn't the real howler painted in the press.
djf01

How does that change the decision?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
On slomo he's edged it to the keepers gloves and then to 21st slip.  The fact the Ump saw it came off the gloves to means it wasn't the real howler painted in the press.
"djf01"


So if Haddin had hung onto the ball would Dar have ruled not out for a catch behind?  Top class umpires just don't miss thick edges like this one, regardless of what else the ball hits. I repeat; this was the howler to end all.
I can only conclude that Dar just wasn't watching carefully.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There is a discussion going on over on RMWeb about whether Broad should have walked or not, with most taking the view that he should have, in the 'Spirit of the Game'. However several still manage to stereotype Australians as being cheats because we don't' walk, saying things like 'it is not in our psyche'.
"TheBlacksmith"

Ah moral high grounds...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2012/mar/19/graeme-swann-cheat-dilruwain-pererra

After a satisfactory opening match for the tourists, Swann confided afterwards that he "wanted to kill" Dilruwan Perera. He accused the Sri Lankan of cheating and questioning the integrity of the England captain. Perera had stood his ground after Andrew Strauss, at first slip, had claimed a catch off the bowling of Jimmy Anderson in the final innings of the warm-up game in Colombo. The umpire declined to raise his finger, there was no DRS in use, and, according to Swann, Perera "stood right next to me with a smug look on his face". Swann lamented: "We live in an age where cheating is accepted."


Wonder if Swann and Strauss think Broad is a cheat? If the cap fits...

As for the poms claiming walking is not in our psyche, clearly they have no idea and have never heard of one Ricky Ponting, possibly the only batsman to have ever walked on an LBW... His numerous other walks are quite famous, smeg poms, no idea.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
As for the poms claiming walking is not in our psyche, clearly they have no idea and have never heard of one Ricky Ponting, possibly the only batsman to have ever walked on an LBW...
"Aaron"


Purely for academic interest, Ponting isn't the only one. I saw the late and great Peter May play back and get pinged dead in front in a match here in Australia. The appeal went up and May walked off without looking at the umpire. It was widely commented upon at the time.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
And of course there is a famous incident in 2004 where Adam Gilchrist, Jason Gillespie and Michael Kasprowicz - were out to bat-pad catches, and all of them walked. And that was in just one match.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Sainthood for all of them I say..........and Shane Warne wasn't a drug cheat Razz

Meanwhile, suck on these guys.

  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia
One massive howler that comes to mind is Andrew Symonds v India; the infamous game where he went on to score 160? I mean it's a gentleman's game; I've been in the position at lower grade cricket where I walked when I was not out. I think it was good Australia gave it a good contest in the end; but from this we must learn, Ed Cowan must be dropped
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
As a batsman, your job is to score runs. The job of the umpire is to adjudicate the rules of the game. There is a school of thought that says by walking you are eroding the authority of the umpire, in effect saying he cannot make a correct decision.

One pommy twat on RMWeb is now saying that Agar should have walked after his stumping. It may be one thing to nick a ball and know it, another to figure out whether you are in your crease of not, particularly when you are facing the other direction.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
There has never been a fairer or more gentlemanly player than Bill Woodfull. In a Vic v NSW match he snicked one from Alan McGilvray and umpire George Hele gave him not out.
At lunch, Woodfull told Hele that he'd hit it, but didn't walk because it would have embarrassed Hele.  

And -  a point of order for TheBlacksmith - there are no Rules in cricket. . . they are The Laws of Cricket ! ! !Laughing
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Sainthood for all of them I say..........and Shane Warne wasn't a drug cheat Razz

Meanwhile, suck on these guys.

bingley hall
Pardon? Suck on a bunch of green tennis balls? You really are weird....

Unfortunately I could not find a suitable photo to post of what I though you should be sucking......
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

How does that change the decision?
TheBlacksmith
It just means the umpire made an understandable mistake - seeing an edge/deviation in the 0.3m of ball travel between the bat and the gloves is hugely more difficult and problematic than seeing a clear edge to first slip.  It was painted in the press as some sort of outrageous injustice - which it wasn't.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
There has never been a fairer or more gentlemanly player than Bill Woodfull. In a Vic v NSW match he snicked one from Alan McGilvray and umpire George Hele gave him not out.
At lunch, Woodfull told Hele that he'd hit it, but didn't walk because it would have embarrassed Hele.  

And -  a point of order for TheBlacksmith - there are no Rules in cricket. . . they are The Laws of Cricket ! ! !Laughing
Valvegear

Sorry, Laws, not Rules.

Perhaps we should go back to a time when cricket was played by Gentlemen... like W.G.Grace for example Embarassed
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It just means the umpire made an understandable mistake - seeing an edge/deviation in the 0.3m of ball travel between the bat and the gloves is hugely more difficult and problematic than seeing a clear edge to first slip.  It was painted in the press as some sort of outrageous injustice - which it wasn't.
"djf01"


Twaddle.  We are talking about blokes who are meant to be the best umpires in the world. Are you trying to tell us that the umpire neither saw nor heard the snick, and would have given a caught behind appeal not out?  If so, get him off the elite panel now.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Pardon? Suck on a bunch of green tennis balls? You really are weird....

Unfortunately I could not find a suitable photo to post of what I though you should be sucking......
TheBlacksmith
Here are some tennis balls



Here's the link to specsavers

http://www.specsavers.com.au/

and here's a picture of a sore loser

  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Here are some tennis balls



Here's the link to specsavers

http://www.specsavers.com.au/

and here's a picture of a sore loser

bingley hall
That looks more like a picture of Graeme Swann to me....
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
That looks more like a picture of Graeme Swann to me....
TheBlacksmith
No.

Here's the link to specsavers again

[color=#0066cc][size=3][font=Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://www.specsavers.com.au/[/font][/size][/color]
And here's a hint.......

Graeme Swann was on the winning side
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
It is a five test series. You are a bit premature in your gloating.

No, I think it is a picture of Swann, probably taken just a short time after no-one bought him at the IPL in 2012.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
It is a five test series. You are a bit premature in your gloating.

No, I think it is a picture of Swann, probably taken just a short time after no-one bought him at the IPL in 2012.
"TheBlacksmith"

Like!
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
It is a five test series. You are a bit premature in your gloating.

No, I think it is a picture of Swann, probably taken just a short time after no-one bought him at the IPL in 2012.
TheBlacksmith
Gloating. I think not.

Just laughing at Australians playing the victim card as usual when they lose.

I do wish though that someone had told me it was a five test series. I thought we just had to win this one and that was it.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
That's OK Comrade, I guess no-one in Mother Russia bothered to steal the Secrets of Cricket, or you would have known.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I didn't think it was the victim card in play.
The overall umpiring performance was less than satisfactory, but these things have a habit of evening out.
I think England was hard done by when a stumping appeal against Agar was turned down in the Australian first innings.

The one standout thing that put Australia behind the eight ball was the dismal performance of the top order batting in the first innings. Numbers 1 to 4 inclusive contributed 29 runs between them. That does not win Ashes Tests. To make it worse, numbers 7 to 10 could only manage a grand total of 4. If those 8 players could have managed another 15 runs between them, i.e. less than 2 each, it could have been a win.

C'est la vie.

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