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  David Peters Dr Beeching

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  ssaunders Train Controller

A business plan is a long way from a train running. But good luck to them.

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  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
A business plan is a long way from a train running. But good luck to them.

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ssaunders
True but at least it is a start to something, you have to start somewhere.
  locojoe67 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Gen X purgatory/urban Joh-land
Wasn't it GMR that installed a bunch of faulty concrete seconds sleepers? Weren't they subsequently condemned and in need of replacing?
  tezza Chief Commissioner

They were reject sleepers with no engineering certification, those responsible for the installation had little understanding at the time of Accreditation procedure.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

They were reject sleepers with no engineering certification, those responsible for the installation had little understanding at the time of Accreditation procedure.
tezza
I thought that a number of heritage operators were using reject concrete sleepers without problems. Was this an actual problem up at GMR or just something made up by a trouble maker. It is not as though 3000 tonne freights are going to operate on their track.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

They were reject sleepers with no engineering certification, those responsible for the installation had little understanding at the time of Accreditation procedure.
tezza
What do they actually do to certify new wooden sleepers? Check they are made out of suitable timber and are the right dimensions and a quick visual. I would imagine even a reject concrete sleeper is at least strong as new wooden one. If any body (who knows what they talking about) can explain to me how a concrete sleeper can be so defective it is unusable,especially under the light conditions they will experience at GMR, I am all ears.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
What do they actually do to certify new wooden sleepers? Check they are made out of suitable timber and are the right dimensions and a quick visual. I would imagine even a reject concrete sleeper is at least strong as new wooden one. If any body (who knows what they talking about) can explain to me how a concrete sleeper can be so defective it is unusable,especially under the light conditions they will experience at GMR, I am all ears.
nswtrains
The only thing that I, as a layperson, could think of is fractures - ie the possibility that the sleeper will fail. One sleeper alone wouldn't make much of a problem, but if you had a situation of extreme heat or extreme cold that caused the track to exert forces onto the sleeper beyond what it is capable of (but within that which it could be expected to tolerate), you could end up with large track buckles? I imagine the legislation is uniform across all railways, so that regardless of how much traffic is expected, one must adhere to the same conditions. Especially when talking about passenger trains, legislation is rather inflexible for obvious reasons. Maybe it sounds over the top, but I'm sure the views would be reversed if it was too lax and an accident happened on a tourist railway in remote, inaccessible territory that required emergency services access. It might sound remote, but better we prevent such a thing happening altogether.
  michaelgreenhill Administrator That's Numberwang!

Location: Melbourne
What do they actually do to certify new wooden sleepers? Check they are made out of suitable timber and are the right dimensions and a quick visual. I would imagine even a reject concrete sleeper is at least strong as new wooden one. If any body (who knows what they talking about) can explain to me how a concrete sleeper can be so defective it is unusable,especially under the light conditions they will experience at GMR, I am all ears.
nswtrains
I imagine that concrete cancer would be just one thing they'd have to tick off. When you've got something that's designed to stay in the ground for the next 100 years you'd want to make sure it was cast properly.
  Albert Chief Commissioner

Concrete, wood or steel you must prove they are fit for purpose. They could use the concrete 2nd's if they can prove they will do the job.
  jd4980 Chief Commissioner

Location: Grafton
As Tezza said, a whole bunch on people with little concept of what lies behind and beyond playing trains. Regarding the sleepers, there is a significant difference between a "seconds" concrete sleeper and "reject" concrete sleepers, which by my sources was spelt out by Rocla when their generous deal was done.

To the OP, if they can get that show off the ground a second time, business plan or not, professional or not, it will be a miracle with the empire builders having for the most part alienated anyone that ever set foot near the place with any real railway experience, knowledge and background into not wanting any involvement in the place again. It was the best thing to happen to the region for a long time, the community thrived and support was strong but ego's, ignorance and incompetence prevailed. Hopefully lessons were learnt !
  worldtraveller Locomotive Driver

That's why the 19 class would be better off being given to Oberon and the GMR group closed down.  Given the state of the NSW heritage scene and Gladys' recent botched enquiry which is trying to get rid of 3801Ltd and the RTM,  closure is the most likely outcome.  I don't think trains will run at GMR for a long time as they have only just got infrastructure accreditation.  The ghosts of the past will linger for a long time there.  The regulators will be all over them big time.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

That's why the 19 class would be better off being given to Oberon and the GMR group closed down.  Given the state of the NSW heritage scene and Gladys' recent botched enquiry which is trying to get rid of 3801Ltd and the RTM,  closure is the most likely outcome.  I don't think trains will run at GMR for a long time as they have only just got infrastructure accreditation.  The ghosts of the past will linger for a long time there.  The regulators will be all over them big time.
worldtraveller
Tell us you are not being serious. No mention of the mob up the hill. I would have thought the regulators had something better to do than make life hard for a group trying to achieve something for their community rather than the what the arm chair experts do here. SFA.
  coastguy Beginner

Rocla do not grade sleepers as seconds or rejects, they are either pass or fail.A sleeper can fail qa for many reasons, some of these are, but not limited to, chips, cracks, incorrect re-enforcement wire placement and failed concrete stress testing.

To test and grade failed sleepers would require qualified examination and testing of each individual sleeper, something that is not financially viable compared to purchasing sleepers that are passed from the factory.

Obviously whoever chose to use failed sleepers from rocla did not have a grasp of the regulations.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I worry about the Consultants being written up as an "award-winning" firm.
Every second commercial on TV or radio has something which is "award-winning". It is surely the most overused and meaningless phrase in the adman's lexicon.
  The Man in Blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: Trackside in Baiyin NW China!
I have heard that the 2nds concrete sleepers have been removed and sold off to landscaping companies, the money to be used to buy new timber sleepers.
  TrainboyEH Locomotive Fireman

Location: Sydney
Sorry to wake up this thread.... however.. What progress has been made in the last few months since the last report was put out ?
  tezza Chief Commissioner

Further rollingstock scrappings, railcruiser operation, steam loco operation over 3km every two months. Thats the future for GMR
  fred59 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Boonah
what plans does gmr have to reopen the dorrigo line from Glenreagh to Lowanna, now that bridge at the creek was washed away a couple of years ago and the bridge towards glenreagh station need expensive repairs

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