A-City trains

 
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Article and some pics

http://dpti.sa.gov.au/newconnections/article?item=310
Arelex
It does look nice lit up.

Does anyone have a guestimated schedule? I will have the oppourtunity of being in the city this week, and would relish the chance to see them, even if it is just on the back of a truck.

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  62440 Chief Commissioner

I hear eta Seaford Friday lunchtime. It is obvious to me that it will go via the Southern Expressway as it will be closed to general traffic. Take your sandwiches in case. This will be a major event so expect heaps of publicity and jostling for the best shots. Follow any news cars you see. Sounds like overnight from Melbourne, bulletins from Vic people welcome.
  yoyoman Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
I would have thought the best course of action would have been to transport the railcars through the city suburbs during the night time when the roads are clearer and cause less disruption.  

If I put on a political hat then I can understand they want to milk the arrival for as much marketing exposure as possible.  Maybe the politicians don't like to work nights Wink
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I hear eta Seaford Friday lunchtime. It is obvious to me that it will go via the Southern Expressway as it will be closed to general traffic.
62440
The Southern Expressway has been closed to traffic between the peaks on every weekday for over a month as part of the Southern Expressway construction work, it's a fairly large leap of imagination to take the continuation of those closures on Friday as a sign to camp out there to watch an EMU car get delivered. In any case, the transport of a single oversize load on the expressway wouldn't need any special closure, it would just run through during the mid-day changeover time.


I doubt that it will be used for a publicity exercise, given that the new trams had no fanfare attached to their delivery. You'll be "jostling" with enough people to count on two hands.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Very exciting times for Adelaide's rail network but as others have observed I don't think you'll find any politicians getting out of bed in the middle of the night to greet it. It's more likely that they'll be there for the first run of the first three-car unit from Seaford to Noarlunga... which shouldn't be too long.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Article and some pics

http://dpti.sa.gov.au/newconnections/article?item=310
Arelex
Curious how the railcar shown has the trailer attached, and is hence the two that get delivered next week, but the one almost out of sight in the background is the one arriving on Friday.

Anyone heard if any more of these railcars are under construction ?
  Adelaide Metro Beginner

hi everyone

I'm looking forward to the new A  City trains, being a train nut I look for forums such as this.

I have some technical data on the new trains if anyone is interested.

During my spare time I make 3d models from paper of Adelaide Metro transportation vehicles.

A few weeks ago I found a website called Transit Graphics, there they have models from right around Australia including the A City trains.
  sas85 Chief Commissioner

Location: V1
Who will be out at Seaford tonight for the first arrival? I'm giving thought to following its journey through the suburbs.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Who will be out at Seaford tonight for the first arrival? I'm giving thought to following its journey through the suburbs.
sas85

That's keen!
  rail_road_runner Station Staff

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Who will be out at Seaford tonight for the first arrival? I'm giving thought to following its journey through the suburbs.
sas85
deeply considering it..

just a thought that the only area it will enter will be via Griffiths Rd........
  yoyoman Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
Depot is off Seaford Road, there is a bitumen pad on the east side of the main yard building (according to google earth) - always assumed it would be unloaded there?

PS - it's that windy down here this afternoon that it'll blow off the 'back' of the truck Laughing
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
There are 2 ways to approach the depot: via Jarod Road off Commercial Road to the west and Seaford Road to McMillan Road then left into Railway Road (always assuming adequate clearances) to the east.

The former has any number of roundabouts; the other tight turns.   Either allows the load to be brought in via Mt Barker, Echunga, Meadows and Willunga (B34 and A13) - the only potential impediment is the overbridge at McLaren Vale.

Having said that we'll wait and see!
  Tonsley213 Assistant Commissioner
  DrJames Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
Great pics! thanks for sharing them.
  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia
Thanks for sharing, certainly wouldn't want one of them to fall off the back of a truck:)
  trainznbuses Train Controller

Location: Seacliff Park, SA
Went through Coonalpyn at about 4pm. I would suggest that it will be laying up at Tailem Bend overnight as Oversize loads like this generally have to be off the road between sunset and sunrise.

If this is the case then it would leave Tailem around 7:30 and arrive at Seaford around 11ish by my estimation.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Thanks for posting Tonsley, great catch.

When the Trams were trucked over, they layed over at the Mount Barker Truck Bay on the SE Freeway.
  yoyoman Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
Went through Coonalpyn at about 4pm. I would suggest that it will be laying up at Tailem Bend overnight as Oversize loads like this generally have to be off the road between sunset and sunrise.

If this is the case then it would leave Tailem around 7:30 and arrive at Seaford around 11ish by my estimation.
trainznbuses
Trams were delivered during the night according to this thread only 12 months ago - http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11358917.htm

I don't know but I'd suggest any layover time might be a mandatory stop for fatigue management for the driver and support crew?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The route from Keith to the Seaford Meadows site via Echunga, Meadows and Willunga Hill (the most direct route according to Google Maps - and I agree) is about 256 kilometres long. At 60 km/h that works out to just over four hours, for an earliest arrival some time after 7pm, nicely timed to avoid obstructing peak traffic.

I would be amazed if the overpass at McLaren Vale turned out to be any worse than any of the bridges on the South-Eastern Freeway, given it's a gold-plated monument to overengineering that was built over the main freight route to the south coast - a route which sees oversize loads on a regular basis. Even if it was a problem it would be easily dealt with by switching the route between Willunga Hill and Seaford to go across to Aldinga and north along the Old Coach Road - a route they may well choose anyway to reduce the number of roundabouts. Alternately, they could also avoid it by going from Meadows through Kangarilla and McLaren Flat instead of up to Willunga Hill.

I doubt there will be a long overnight stop anywhere, probably better to substitute a fresh crew and leave the first crew in a motel overnight to perform the same substitute duty the next day. That could well have happened already at somewhere like Bordertown.

Escorted oversize loads are not a problem at night, indeed it is often preferred to do it that way to minimise obstructions to the vast majority of people who don't give a rat's about new trains and just want to go about their daily business.
  SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

Awesome shots Tonsley, thanks for putting them up. I know that the oversize load times in the city and suburbs on week days is 0900 hrs until 1600hrs, weekends is sunrise to sunset. Not sure whether its different on week days outside the city/suburb areas.
  Seldom_21 Junior Train Controller

Location: South Australia
From experience, that route (via Echunga) is quite a tricky one, and especially tricky for a truck with a load like that on it. Plus, from memory there is a load limit on that route + any drivers caught behind that load would have no chance of overtaking; double lines most of the way and lots of deceptive corners. I reckon they'll stop about Tailem or there about and leave about 3 or 4 and go down via the freeway. Just my thoughts thoigh
  trainznbuses Train Controller

Location: Seacliff Park, SA
Trams were delivered during the night according to this thread only 12 months ago - http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11358917.htm

I don't know but I'd suggest any layover time might be a mandatory stop for fatigue management for the driver and support crew?
yoyoman

Hmmm...well does anyone know where the truck is hiding at the moment?

I was just having a look through Transport SA's website regarding OD (Over Dimension) loads at http://www.sa.gov.au/subject/Transport%2C+travel+and+motoring/Motoring/Heavy+vehicles/Operating+a+heavy+vehicle/Permits+for+oversize+or+overmass+heavy+vehicles/Do+you+need+a+permit?+ and came across this pdf: http://www.sa.gov.au/upload/franchise/Transport,travel and motoring/Heavy vehicles and freight/MR624.pdf.

It mentions about night travellind and indeed it can be done in the Metropolitan area (Dual Carriageways only) and arterial roads.
Metropolitan area is as specified in the following document: http://sa.gov.au/upload/franchise/Transport, travel and motoring/Heavy vehicles and freight/Gazette Notices/Low Loader COP with a GCM up to 59_5t.PDF - Have a look at the map on page 18. I think that most likely the truck will lay up at either Tailem Bend or Mount Barker depending on the route it is going to take to Seaford. My money would be to go straight up the Freeway then South Road to Seaford Road. I assume that the South Road bridge over the Onkaparinga is rated to take this sort of load otherwise I guess that they will be going Meadows - Echunga way. To get to the depot from Seaford Road, well I don't know if there is access to the depot from the car park for Seaford Meadows station as I haven't had a close enough look so it will most likely be the back way behind the council depot.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
The ramps are setup. The 3000 class that have been stranded at Pt Stanvac are safely tucked away in the Seaford Depot. At 8pm, the gates to the recreation park were still open which will allow you a reasonable view of the unloading.
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
It does look nice lit up.

Does anyone have a guestimated schedule? I will have the oppourtunity of being in the city this week, and would relish the chance to see them, even if it is just on the back of a truck.
"witsend"


The first car spent the night at Tailem Bend and will arrive (fingers crossed by many) mid morning at Seaford via Meadow, Echunga (exact route unknown), not via the Freeway and Expressway (so I am told).
It will be unloaded (rolled off onto ramp) and the truck will head straight back for the second part, I believe the car will be parked out in the open but exact location is also unknown, I am not in that loop! The other cars arrive next week and if we are lucky we will be able to see them from a secure vantage point.
I imagine security will be tight so don't do anything stupid down there.
And no Heath, it will not move under its own power and you can not ride in it until it stops at Millswood.

Wayne
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Thanks for sharing, nice shots indeed.

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