Springvale Road, Springvale grade separation update

 
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
This is the original.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bAn8rMKF38
jdekorte
I wonder about some of the people making these videos for Vicroads.  

Why are there people floating in the cutting before the train gets to the platform?   (0:18 - 0:20)
They clearly aren't watching what they are producing.

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  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
I wonder about some of the people making these videos for Vicroads.  

Why are there people floating in the cutting before the train gets to the platform?   (0:18 - 0:20)
They clearly aren't watching what they are producing.
lkernan
Not to mention the X'Trap, and the (now obsolete) Grenda's bus livery, and the leads to the Westall sidings...? Obviously we are not privy to all parts of the design of the project, and they are probably focusing more of the facilities for the travelling public, but a bit of accuracy over more little things would be nice.
  TedHanson Junior Train Controller

And it would appear that it has been deliberately designed to ensure no third track in the future. At least at Nunawading with an island platform, there was a slight possibility.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
And it would appear that it has been deliberately designed to ensure no third track in the future. At least at Nunawading with an island platform, there was a slight possibility.
TedHanson
I'm not so sure that they haven't planned for extra tracks. The station/cutting is being built immediately north of the main running lines. The area that was the original station & tracks now appears to be a plaza of sorts, I'd imagine that this plaza area will be engineered so that extra tracks could be built in the future - maybe there might be some additional foundations or piles put in - who knows? There is talk about Regional Rail Link East, it would be silly to do a project like this and not plan for it. Even Westall station when it was rebuilt has an extra footbridge span on the south side that appears to be the right width for an additional single track.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Got to love artist's impressions.

1. Steps going to nowhere on the edge of the platform. Slight OH&S/Darwin Award risk there.
2. Like every other new station project, no provision for an exit on the other end of the platform for those not wanting Springvale Rd (see #1). Unless lifts are supposed to be here.
3. X'Traps at Springvale with tram-like pantos on each car and only one car numbered. Of all the trains on the network, they are the only ones you won't see going to Pakenham or Cranbourne unless their speed restriction is lifted.
4. Grenda's has apparently made a comeback and took over the PTV's buses. I guess you won't need that orange crinkle-wrap livery after all.
5. Those god-awful cattle-herding barriers in place of strategically placed Myki readers. Metcard is gone, we don't need barriers any more since all they do is waste time and cause congestion.
6. Cranbourne still has a pathetic daytime frequency according to the PIDs. I guess that will be the last thing to ever change in Victoria, public transport timetables.
  BR BILL Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
Why are there people floating in the cutting before the train gets to the platform?   (0:18 - 0:20)
They clearly aren't watching what they are producing.
lkernan
The way I see it - judging by the transparent platform outline - is that the platform can be extended should 9-car sets be introduced to the network.
  ChoooChoo Chief Train Controller

I can confirm a third and fourth track provision has been put in place, but yes the video doesn't seem to be showing this. Provision has obviously been considered when we note that DoT has openly acknowledged looking into a freight track being built on this line.

I assume the X'Trapolis has been used only because it is the most current livery on the system, and it wouldn't look good using older trains on an animation for the future Razz

I think it looks to be a great station design, especially the plaza space provided to the south of the station.

Would have liked to see new screens though instead of the orange text on the black screen! It would be a good opportunity to slowly begin to replace these, but then again it is just an artists impression.

I quiet like the way the myki gates have been placed? It's quiet spacious and in the open.

We have to wait and see I guess Smile
  andrewdho1994 Beginner

Mod Note: Do not reply to other peoples queries by posting the same video over, and over. Posting the video once is all that is necessary. Anymore posts like the above, and they will be deleted and warnings issued.

There guys, the video Vicroads sent to me, I uploaded it on my account. Enjoy and it will be completed by June 2014; design may vary, but underground platform and railway tracks are 100%.

The reason as to why there is no island platform like Nunawading is because there will most likely be a potential investment for future tracks. So more construction will be going.

Here is the link for Springvale Road, Springvale grade separation (level crossing removal). There will be road bridge overpass which it will be impossible to see if driving cause there are pine trees, oak tress, garden and redesigning and engineering of roads. Enjoy!!!


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7x5iOJwwIs
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
Quite an impressive video, although I'm sure what is actually built will not look anywhere as nice as that.

The only problem I have with the new station is that you'll have to walk up and down big stairways or use the lift to access the platforms. In my opinion this makes the new station far less usable than the one that is currently there.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Also, too many Aussies in the rendering, Springvale is a little bit more "multicultural" than that. Smile

I am starting to think that's the entire plot of building every new station in Victoria, make it as inconvenient as possible to access coupled with infrequent services to make people jump back in their cars.

It's not a new thing either. For example, why is it that after 30 years, Box Hill's station platforms are still hidden from all other forms of transport, with a long walk to or from the closest interchange? It doesn't matter whether it's a tram, bus or even your own car in the parking area (which is also not free, unlike most suburban train stations), there's a good 5 minute walk through the shopping centre as soon as you have got off the bus or parked. The tram terminus on the other hand is in the middle of Maroondah Highway (Whitehorse Rd), which is not close to trains either (although no worse than the Glen Iris terminus), not to mention the city-bound main road is between the tram stop and the shopping centre precinct. Additionally, when the shopping centre is closed, anyone leaving a bus with a wheelchair or mobility scooter is forced to find their own way out of the bus bay because the lifts are closed and that part of the shopping centre is locked, forcing people to either (illegally) go down the main ramp or go out the back way to Carrington Rd as the escalators cannot take wheelchairs or mobility scooters. It's not like you can get off the bus at the previous stop either, as they made sure that there were no other bus stops in the entire district, dare they interfere with road traffic.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

Quite an impressive video, although I'm sure what is actually built will not look anywhere as nice as that.

The only problem I have with the new station is that you'll have to walk up and down big stairways or use the lift to access the platforms. In my opinion this makes the new station far less usable than the one that is currently there.
"Braddo"

I didn't see anything about a lift in that video, only stairs and ramps, as in the Mitcham design. At the information session the guy I spoke to said that they are no longer able to have lifts as the only disabled access, given the lift failures at some other stations (Hoppers Crossing perhaps)?  The design at Mitcham has room for lifts (i.e., a nice vertical space clear of any obstructions) so they can be installed, but they are not going in to start with.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
I've been travelling through Springvale up and down the last couple of days observing the start of major work.

Huge areas up and down from the station have been fenced off - up - right up to the concrete footbridge in between Westall & Springvale and down to the works compound near Sandown Park station.  The old works building on the down side of Springvale next to the old substation has been demolished.  The north carpark has been completely taken over by some very big trucks & drills that are drilling down through the carpark for the piles. Pedestrian access is being maintained by the use of a pathway to the street. The new platform two access point guarded by two Myki posts has been closed - one questions the wisdom here of building this access in the first place knowing the station was due to be demolished (the same wisdom obviously extended to providing a PSO box on the up platform). I haven't had much of a chance to observe any activity on the south side of the line but no doubt it is taking place as the majority of signalling ducts & pipes were relocated to the south side of the existing line. The north carpark, as far as I can obvserve from a train, is gradually being stripped back and will probably contain some very large holes very soon. Closer to Westall, as I mentioned a large part of the north side of the line has been fenced off and I've seen teams of workers alongside the line.

That's about all I can report as I'm not stopping off to look at proceedings, merely condensing my observations from my trips down the line in the morning, and back up the line in the afternoon.

I'm wondering how the track layout is going to look given the almost immediate points on the upside of the crossing leading to the Westall yards?
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
Lots more work has been happening at Springvale in recent weeks.

From what I've observed passing on trains during the week; the pile 'shell' of the cutting adjacent to the existing station is nearing completion with the tops of the piles now exposed for the concrete caps to be poured.  I observed pile drilling machines at work today on the eastern side of Springvale Road in the old carpark. Bases for temporary overhead stanchions have been poured next to existing stanchions on the south side of the line with new overhead structures being installed - I'm not clear as to why there are temporary structures being installed but I'm sure there must be a good reason. New stanchions are being constructed in front of the substation on the down side of Springvale station. I also observed today a footbridge being constructed that will connect the down platform to the street. Obviously this is being installed so that station customers can access the down platform over the cutting - this also means that the down platform building may not be lasting that much longer as it is in the way of new piles for the shell.
  jdekorte Deputy Commissioner

Location: Near Caulfield Station
The line was shut down between Oakleigh & Dandenong over the last weekend officially for works on the Hanover Street bridge in Oakleigh, but obviously work was undertaken at Springvale to take advantage of no trains. Work on the overhead structures was basically completed around Springvale station as the old stanchions are probably going to be removed soon. Cables connecting the overhead to the substation were installed over the worksite. More importantly, a footbridge over the worksite was opened towards the down end of platform two. A basic shelter has been provided, and signs pointing to the direction of the platform exit have been hung on the fencing that runs the length of the platform (the signs are written in four languages). Four MyKi readers on poles are on the platform end of the footbridge. The station building and old exists on platform two have been fenced off and demolition has commenced - one might hope the buildings could be moved basically intact as they have some heritage value - perhaps to a heritage railway? Piling continues on both sides of Springvale Road and preparations are being made to place piles through the road surface to support the bridge abutments. Further towards Westall near the pedestrian overpass, work continues to relocate a water main.

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