CFCLA "CM Class" locomotives

 
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
It's interesting to see these leasing mobs buying all sorts of different power, I'd have thought it'd make more sense to standardise.
GT46C-ACe
Da!

Good call comrade - just like the good all old days back in the USSR.

Who says communism is dead?

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  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
So aside from calling me a communist you're also saying that BHPBIO, RTIO, Aurizon, etc are communists?

Isn't there a thread on politics elsewhere?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
So aside from calling me a communist you're also saying that BHPBIO, RTIO, Aurizon, etc are communists?

Isn't there a thread on politics elsewhere?
GT46C-ACe
I think he was kidding!
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I think he was kidding!
Raichase

viable operators will ditch old junkers ASAP. It is obviuse some posters dont mind spending other peoples money.
  JGS Moderator Well. We'll see about THAT!

Location: Junee NSW
Relax. It was clearly a joke. Y'know, a satirical reference to the Soviet practice of standardisation.

Enough with the sooking, please. Lighten up, people.

Cheers,
Matt
  M636C Minister for Railways

To return to the point, Motive Power, the builder of the CM class, told me that their locomotive was directly competing with the NREC 1100 class for both the QUBE and Watco orders. The MP locomotive cost more to buy but the predicted fuel consumption would give a lower overall cost through life.

Clearly the WA people bought the MP units while QUBE bought the NREC units. There is some concern that the better fuel consumption of the Cummins engine is accompanied by higher maintenance costs, compared to the established but older EMD 645E3C.

The two companies took their choices based on their judgements of what will make them most money.

In the case of CFCLA, they have bought both United (CF class) and MP (CM class) for different jobs.

M636C
  ssaunders Train Controller

Call from a mate said the CM passed his place at Wollongong tonight under to tow by FL220, heading up to Moss Vale.

ss
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Espee Railroad Services used FL220 to deliver CM3301 yesterday from Port Kembla Inner Harbour to Goulburn. The consist was FL220/CM3301/ROGF5251, running as train 2971. They departed Inner Harbour on time at 1700.

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  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Espee Railroad Services used FL220 to deliver CM3301 yesterday from Port Kembla Inner Harbour to Goulburn. The consist was FL220/CM3301/ROGF5251, running as train 2971. They departed Inner Harbour on time at 1700.

 
Raichase
Out of curiosity, who are Espee Rail Services? Had to look twice to see the gondola. No brakes on CM3301?
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
Had to look twice to see the gondola. No brakes on CM3301?
nswtrains
No, I believe the brakes were operating, just that all the shipping timbers and the like had to be removed from the port.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Out of curiosity, who are Espee Rail Services?
nswtrains

Seriously, did you ever think of trying google? Rolling Eyes
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Seriously, did you ever think of trying google? Rolling Eyes
Poath Junction
Seriously from someone with a stupid star wars hat on their internet puppet or whatever you call the stupid things. Very surprised to see ACT ARHS Division using an almost rip off of the Southern Pacific logo. Union Pacific is very litigious about protecting the trade marks it owns of both current and the former railroads it has absorbed.
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Out of curiosity, who are Espee Rail Services? Had to look twice to see the gondola. No brakes on CM3301?
nswtrains
You're correct in your later post that they are a commercial arm of ARHS ACT. They currently have a contract with CFCL Australia for locomotive and wagon transfers.
  Barrington Womble Photo Nazi

Location: Banned
Seriously from someone with a stupid star wars hat on their internet puppet or whatever you call the stupid things. Very surprised to see ACT ARHS Division using an almost rip off of the Southern Pacific logo. Union Pacific is very litigious about protecting the trade marks it owns of both current and the former railroads it has absorbed.
nswtrains
That depends if it's a worldwide trademark. If it's not, then UP haven't got a hope in hell.

By the way. Don't go there with the attack on people's choice of avatar. That sort of thing doesn't go well with the gatekeepers.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
You're correct in your later post that they are a commercial arm of ARHS ACT. They currently have a contract with CFCL Australia for locomotive and wagon transfers.
Raichase

http://canberraheritagerail.org.au/about/espee/
  nic Chief Train Controller

Location: Brisbane, QLD
Any news on Additional Deliveries or on-track testing/accreditation runs?
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
Any news on Additional Deliveries or on-track testing/accreditation runs?
nic
I believe CM3301 is testing today from Goulburn to Canberra?
  Jajb94 Deputy Commissioner

Location: In a BAM
I believe CM3301 is testing today from Goulburn to Canberra?
Raichase
That would be correct, it is sitting about 50 metres from where I post this. I caught a photo or two of it tonight "red handed" as it were. and I will grab a few in the morning and post them when I can upload them to my photobucket.
The 2nd day of testing is tomorrow, ex CBR about 0730 from what I have heard, but don't quote me.
  M636C Minister for Railways

CM3301 was sitting outside the Goulburn Workshops yesterday,17 August.

At 12:15 it was idling. The cab end LED marker lights showed white and the hood end lights were showing red.

Later in the afternoon it was shut down but remained in place. It could easily be photographed from the road on the west side of the workshops.

Since I always ask this question, it's my turn to answer.

The builder's plate is the current version of the old brass Morrison Knudsen plates applied to the CLF, CLP and ALF units, held in place by the same screws with flat heads with two holes.

The date is June 2013
Model: MP33C
Weight: 133,800 kg
Serial No: 2432-01
Order No: 2432
Horsepower 3300

An engraved steel plate reading 2432-01 is welded to the frame just ahead of the builder's plate.

On the rear end there is a warning sign  suggesting that operators be aware of 25kV overhead wiring.
I would have thought other voltages, like 1500 V DC would be more likely...

M636C
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
CM3301 was sitting outside the Goulburn Workshops yesterday,17 August.

On the rear end there is a warning sign  suggesting that operators be aware of 25kV overhead wiring.
I would have thought other voltages, like 1500 V DC would be more likely...

M636C
"M636C"


G'day M636C,
With the posibility of the Locos running in Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane on lines adjacent to lines with a 25kV overhead, the higher voltage warning is more appropriate.
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
G'day M636C,
With the posibility of the Locos running in Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane on lines adjacent to lines with a 25kV overhead, the higher voltage warning is more appropriate.
Pressman

If operated in Brisbane between Acacia Ridge and Fishermans Island, (Port of Brisbane) they would operate under 25kv on the dual gauge.
  M636C Minister for Railways

If operated in Brisbane between Acacia Ridge and Fishermans Island, (Port of Brisbane) they would operate under 25kv on the dual gauge.
Mufreight

While I agree that there are areas where the 25 kV will cross the freight lines in Brisbane, most of the dual gauge on the line to Fisherman Islands is not electrified, and not many lines in Acacia Ridge used by standard gauge trains are electrified. I don't think I've seen any SG trains at Fisherman Islands for at least ten years, although I don't get there that often. Equally in Perth the freight lines are generally separated from the overhead catenary, and only standard gauge passenger trains regularly operate under catenary in Perth, freight trains of either gauge fairly rarely.

I am surprised that any voltage was specified at all on the sign, which I assume was applied in the USA. The sign could be read as suggesting that you need not worry about overhead voltages less than 25 kV which I'm sure wasn't the intention. I assume the locomotive has already run under 1500 V DC, although not under its own power. I would expect that the class will be seen regularly under DC catenary in Sydney and Melbourne.

M636C
  Raichase Captain Rant!

Location: Sydney, NSW
I am surprised that any voltage was specified at all on the sign, which I assume was applied in the USA. The sign could be read as suggesting that you need not worry about overhead voltages less than 25 kV which I'm sure wasn't the intention.
M636C
One would assume that the sign is intended for trained workers climbing on the locomotive who understand the risks of overhead wiring, and would apply appropriate risk management strategies, regardless of the voltage.
  M636C Minister for Railways

One would assume that the sign is intended for trained workers climbing on the locomotive who understand the risks of overhead wiring, and would apply appropriate risk management strategies, regardless of the voltage.
Raichase

I am reminded of an occasion many years ago when I was attending an exhibition at BR's Derby Workshops. The then brand new HST power car 43002 and the prototype electric 87101 were on display, but difficult to photograph. I realised that the best view was on top of a double deck automobile carrier and half way up the steps I thought "while the main line isn't electrified here, I wonder if they have wired any of the workshops yard". They hadn't, and I got my photos. 43002 was still largely black and yellow, the black being replaced by standard blue before it entered service. At that time I was a working railway engineer and was being treated as a VIP, being seated with VR Commissioner George Brown in the train from London. We left from St Pancras, and he suggested loudly that the overall roof should be torn down as "old fashioned".

Having been in the UK again nearly 40 years later, I checked their overhead warnings in my photos which just read "danger - high voltage overhead wires". The shots in Washington DC show "danger - high voltage keep clear" on an AEM-7AC.

I guess I'm surprised that a voltage is quoted, and one that is not the most likely overhead voltage to be encountered.

M636C
  LCurley Beginner

I saw CM3301 out the back of Thirlmere today.

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