A-City trains

 
  poxbox3030 Train Controller

Location: Train Control
Ill put my hand up to be the new voice on the 4000 class Smile

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  Scooter_Guy Chief Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA. Suburb: Redwood Park
The bigger question is who should do the recordings - it should be a local, maybe a newsreader from the ABC, to make sure it's not an interstate accent.
justapassenger
...or perhaps Charlie Sheen or Tim Allen!Razz
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
...or perhaps Charlie Sheen or Tim Allen!Razz
"Scooter_Guy"


Jeff Sunderland, John Dean, Tony Pilkington, Vaughan Harvey.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The bigger question is who should do the recordings - it should be a local, maybe a newsreader from the ABC, to make sure it's not an interstate accent.
justapassenger
Chloe Fox should do them, she could make 'next station Christies' sound like 'Welcome to Springfield, if you don't like the way the lawns are cut we'll shoot the gardener'. It might be made in a fake accent, but at least it's not a Victorian one.
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
Anyway want to have a go at getting a set of detailed photos like witsend's collection of 4001A for the middle carriage ?
Probably have to wait until the next 3 car set comes over, just thought I'd ask now for people who have to plan this sort of thing.

The reason I ask is, there is no way to get close trackside to these sets when they are in operation, so anything below platform height is hard to see.
Wanted to see just how bulky the 25KV transformer actually is, how it's mounted etc. For all the claims about how heavy this transformer is, and how it couldn't be mounted on a light rail vehicle, actually seeing it would be useful.
  yoyoman Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide, SA
My vote:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_Szyslak
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The reason I ask is, there is no way to get close trackside to these sets when they are in operation, so anything below platform height is hard to see.
Wanted to see just how bulky the 25KV transformer actually is, how it's mounted etc. For all the claims about how heavy this transformer is, and how it couldn't be mounted on a light rail vehicle, actually seeing it would be useful.
fabricator
You just need to get a little creative with your chosen spot to have a reasonably close look - i.e. think of spots other than a station platform. Most of the Seaford line stations have island platforms, with the majority having nothing more than a chainlink or metal palisade fence between the line and footpath of the adjacent street.

Clarence Park is a perfect spot, having a relatively recent metal palisade fence instead of the standard chainlink job. It's easily wide enough to get a camera lens poking through for a close shot without a fence in the way...



I also wouldn't be surprised if there is an open day at the new Seaford Meadows station and depot with a unit out on that hardstand track to sell the finished product to the long-suffering locals.
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Get Yoda to do them...
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

There was just a channel nine news report on these trains got to see a quick glimpse of the inside of the train the interior reminds me of the Alstom trams
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Get Yoda to do them...
"Halo"
Adelaide, train to, this is ?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I would hope that the layout takes a lead from the Alstom trams. The current 3000/3100 class layout has the total capacity compromised by seating wasting too much space for commuter rail, the layout could be improved by removing the nearest sets of seats to each door, to be replaced by wall-mounted flip-up seats and grab poles for standees.
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Tens News Adelaide story from tonight about the Government media show off day today.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj6uQIisllg

The Ten News story states that "diesel trains will run to Tonsley and Seaford via Noarlunga from September".
  Milkomeda Chief Train Controller

Is that an error on their part or has DPTI decided to really run diesel train services to Seaford in September?
  fabricator Chief Commissioner

Location: Gawler
I would hope that the layout takes a lead from the Alstom trams. The current 3000/3100 class layout has the total capacity compromised by seating wasting too much space for commuter rail, the layout could be improved by removing the nearest sets of seats to each door, to be replaced by wall-mounted flip-up seats and grab poles for standees.
justapassenger
Why not just remove all the seats, people can sit on the floor!
The 3000's used to have that setup, that it was chosen to rip it all out indicates what was thought of that design. The fold up seats had some minor safety issues, and besides that tended to take a lot of damage. Just what is the point of fold up seats, when 95% of the time they aren't needed, and when it is crowded people aren't going to give up a seat anyway ?

There is this field of study where people look at passenger movements as a sort of liquid, comes in handy for designing things like fire escapes and entrances to buildings. I'd expect any seating design has been tested in a computer to see how virtual passengers use it, in this case I choose the computer over some random complainer.
  witsend Chief Commissioner

Location: Front RH Seat of a School Bus
Is that an error on their part or has DPTI decided to really run diesel train services to Seaford in September?
"Milkomeda"


You did notice that is was the local federal member, Amanda Rishworth, and fed transport minister Anthony Albanese, not Turbo Tom and Chloe Fox announcing the Seaford and Tonsley?

Personally, I'd like to see service to Seaford open at the same time as Noarlunga, although I'm not sure we would have enough rolling stock to service the extra length as a purely diesel service. At least with 2 or 3 full electric sets, a shuttle service between Pt Stanvac and Seaford could run.
  nscaler69 Deputy Commissioner

Location: There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots.
Nine News Adelaide story from tonight about them.



http://youtu.be/fCU85FCkp98

This time with "and promising no repeat of Adelaide tram air-conditioning woes".
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

You did notice that is was the local federal member, Amanda Rishworth, and fed transport minister Anthony Albanese, not Turbo Tom and Chloe Fox announcing the Seaford and Tonsley?
witsend
Albanese is the one signing the cheque for the Seaford line, and that line being electrified from the start is probably the one thing that stopped all electrification being put off yet again. Totally understandable of him to have a tour of his new depot, and very generous to invite Turbo Tom along as well, though the Deputy PM might be annoyed that the local minister was the only one named in the ABC story.

As for Chloe Fox, she's a liability to the government who should be kept away from all involvement with any of the new projects. The best way she can serve the government's interests is to stay out of the news, or maybe put her hand up and resign from the ministry next time something goes wrong with the buses.

Personally, I'd like to see service to Seaford open at the same time as Noarlunga, although I'm not sure we would have enough rolling stock to service the extra length as a purely diesel service. At least with 2 or 3 full electric sets, a shuttle service between Pt Stanvac and Seaford could run.
witsend

I can't see rolling stock being a problem. A temporary timetable (until a full electric service begins) based on the current timetable (maybe minus a couple of peak trains) should be possible to do with the diesel fleet.

To extend the majority of Noarlunga services to Seaford would only require a maximum of two extra consists to be in service at any one time, which is only four cars to find overall. That shouldn't be hard to find, not with Tonsley still out of action (one or two cars), the scope to reduce the number of vehicles not in use on any given day, and plenty of other rosters which could cope with temporarily being shortened by one car.
  Dazzagc Station Master

I think A-City would like an upgrade to first class only for one car, some of passengers would able to pay expensive prices to allow entering into first class to confort their journeys, like UK railways car does, now what about south australia govt do this?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

No suburban commuter rolling stock in the UK has first class accommodation.

Some regional multiple units still have a token 'first class' area in order to satisfy franchise requirements, but it's usually just a handful of rows with different colour seat fabric on the same seats.

In any case, the standing space on our suburban trains is too valuable and the ferals of the outer south have enough trouble paying for a ticket even without adding more expensive options.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
the ferals of the outer south have enough trouble paying for a ticket even without adding more expensive options.
"justapassenger"
Took the words right out on my mouth... A first class set of seating would just be adding another layer of fare evasion to police.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
nscaler69:  Thanks for posting that video; very interesting.  The interior is much like a Siemens train here in Melbourne with no portal doors.  Anthony Albanese looked very pleased with the train, didn't he - I guess because they've got an election to face before the end of the year and they at least have something to show off.
  AFULE Chief Train Controller

Location: South Australia
You did notice that is was the local federal member, Amanda Rishworth, and fed transport minister Anthony Albanese, not Turbo Tom and Chloe Fox announcing the Seaford and Tonsley?

Personally, I'd like to see service to Seaford open at the same time as Noarlunga, although I'm not sure we would have enough rolling stock to service the extra length as a purely diesel service. At least with 2 or 3 full electric sets, a shuttle service between Pt Stanvac and Seaford could run.
witsend
I would expect that the line between Seaford (old Moana Station) will be pretty busy being utilised for driver training and test train running in. I think that as part of the warranty they have to run XX number of kilometers prior to being allowed to go into normal revenue earning service.

I wouldn't rule out that prior to Christmas when they have a few consists that have completed the warranty running in process that they will have a few open days or even weekends showing of the new track, bridge station and new trains with FREE rides back and forth between Noalunga Centre and Seaford so the drivers get a feel driving with a load an board and the public get to have a feel and taste on the new trains and the new track section. Watch this space:)
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I would expect that the line between Seaford (old Moana Station) will be pretty busy being utilised for driver training and test train running in. I think that as part of the warranty they have to run XX number of kilometers prior to being allowed to go into normal revenue earning service.
AFULE
The track can't really be too busy with that though, because the number of EMU pre-service runs (whether for testing, training or mileage accumulation) that can be done is limited by the need to share the track with passenger services between Noarlunga and the first reversing point in the Lonsdale sidings. If they are going to be restricted north of Noarlunga, they may as well apply the same restriction all the way. During the inter-peak and post-peak night periods (when track occupancy south of Brighton is less than a third of what it is during the peak) it should be easy to run a couple of EMUs on Seaford-Lonsdale (or even Seaford-Brighton once a unit has passed initial testing and simply needs to accumulate trouble-free mileage) without affecting passenger services through to Seaford - assuming that the temporary timetable will be an extension of the current full timetable.

I suspect that the real limiting factor is going to be staffing, not track occupancy, now that the EMU delivery and electrification are both running behind schedule and the September 2013 commencement of electric service will be delayed by 5-8 months. If both were a few months closer to being on time for the original September 2013 commencement of electric services, pre-service runs for testing and staff familiarity would have been going for months on the Seaford-Brighton section, with the drivers who have instead been surplus to requirements during the extended shutdown.

I expect that the decision to open to Seaford (the only part of the whole project which is ready anywhere near on time) will be enforced from the top down. It may not be due to Adelaide Metro suddenly abandoning operational convenience after acquiring a customer service ethic, but if making political hay this spring dovetails with the same outcome for passengers I'm not going to be too disappointed.
  flexity103 Station Master

In December the NRM will be running Redhen shuttles from Port Dock to Adelaide RS. Whats the chance of a photo opportunity near the Morphett St bridge of all 4 types side by side (Redhen, 2000 Jumbo, 3000/3100 and 4000 EMU) That would be fantastic.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
In December the NRM will be running Redhen shuttles from Port Dock to Adelaide RS. Whats the chance of a photo opportunity near the Morphett St bridge of all 4 types side by side (Redhen, 2000 Jumbo, 3000/3100 and 4000 EMU) That would be fantastic.
flexity103

There could be an opportunity for a photo shoot there for government promo purposes (showing off the electrification) so perhaps they will organise that?  They might have to park a 2000 class under the wires though - I'd imagine the wires will be over all 4 tracks by then.

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