Powerline blog / new products

 
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
The Powerline facebook page/blog http://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels has been active lately with various product updates and sample pics. An update has been posted today with details of (some) future releases which I'll quote here for those with an aversion to facebook. (note: you don't need a facebook account to view the info on http://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels , you only need an account if you want to respond there). If you want to see sample pics of the BCH, and n scale X + N class locos there awaiting your visit to facebook.

Anyway, the upcoming products info is:
"

Powerline Models
Having being asked and asked again about future projects. I can confirm Powerline Models are going to produce:
BCH wagons
BWH wagons
S Car carriages
81 Class locomotives
BL Class locomotives
G Class mark 1 locomotives
G Class mark 2 locomotives
GH VR 4 wheel covered grain wagons
H Car carriages
more Victorian wheat hoppers VHGF etc
more Victorian ELX wagons
The Victorian cement hopper VPAX/VPCX
FQX flat wagon
QMX flat wagon
as well as other liveries of the new 48 Class
Plus much more.
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  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
What in this list has not been produced or announced by other manufacturers? Iain
  SAR523 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Chicago, IL
I do enjoy reading the odd Powerline statement.  Nothing like a bit of adversarial commentary to get you going in the morning!
  VN18 Junior Train Controller

Location: Central Highlands
Hmm I wonder how many of them will be any good... H cars! haha that's gonna be fun
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Real fun, considering how many different shapes and sizes the Harris cars have, not to mention if they decide to do the original suburban variants as well.
  73LJWhiteSL Deputy Commissioner

Location: South East Melbourne Surburbs
Considering how many "r u doing the S carz again" (12 year old grammar intended Wink ) comments to be found on the Powerline Facebook page, you would think there is sufficient demand for the to rerun then ASAP.

Just an observation, I clearly have no idea how soon they could rerun them.

Steve
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

I'm really looking forward for their re-run of the 81's etc. New mechs for the old bicentennial models are long overdue and I cant wait to put them back into service seeing no-one is going to release these again......

Also they could speed up the 48 class liveries - I heard candy is the next inline for release.
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
5711 shove a Austrains C class chassis in your 81 class locomotives makes a hell of an improvement and is easy to do as well with just basic skills and tools. Done about 8 or more of them now. You might have to shop around for the complete C class loco's though. And If you don't want the bodies of the C class for conversion into WAGR L class types then you can always sell the bodies and handrails etc on Ebay or something.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Considering how many "r u doing the S carz again" (12 year old grammar intended Wink ) comments to be found on the Powerline Facebook page, you would think there is sufficient demand for the to rerun then ASAP.

Just an observation, I clearly have no idea how soon they could rerun them.

Steve
"73LJWhiteSL"
I guess the urgent demand comes down to how many 12 year olds have the funds to buy them, I'd be waiting until they were 16 and had jobs.
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Pics of the preproduction BWH + BCH have been added to https://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
Didn't they already do a BCH/BWH or have the been coming for so long that I forgot they were.
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Didn't they already do a BCH/BWH or have the been coming for so long that I forgot they were.
Iain

I think you are referring to the Indian-made rubbish they were involved with a couple of years ago now. I suspect haven learnt their lesson the last couple of rolling stock items have been sourced from China with much better results. From memory these Chinese-made BCH/BWHs were announced only last year.

Tony
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Those Indian built cars were just so much smeg that I would not even call them a model. They were a disaster from day one. I had to fix 6 of them up for a mate and as quickly as you fixed one thing on them something else went wrong. I gave up in the end and told him to scrap them or use them for derailment scene or something and buy better quality ones if the were ever done!
  Poath Junction Chief Commissioner

Location: In front of a computer most of the time.
Powerline NSWGR BCH (Bogie Coal Hopper) & NSWGR BWH (Bogie Wheat Hopper) were released this week. Victorian Bulk Bogie Wheat Hoppers (GJF / VHGY) arrived 2 weeks ago.

Improved VR S passenger carriages being worked on, to be followed by Z and then H carriages. Improved run of the NSW passenger carriages also to be done.

Info from https://www.facebook.com/PowerlineModels
  wolfpac Minister for Railways

Location: Over here...
Maybe that's why the H cars dropped off a certain other company website?

Unlikely source, was surprised to see that update, had to re-read it a couple of times to make sure I actually saw H and Z... Very Happy Happy, though, especially how far along they appear to be.

Hopefully they'll be out soon, The S cars have been on the to do list for a while. I was even speaking about them a fair while ago the last time I was at TW, I think there was a few too many people keen to purchase a bunch more S cars, still. Ditto for the BRS cars. Hopefully they don't need too much "adjustment", either detail wise or price wise - like the Lima prices did?

Wolfpac
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Maybe that's why the H cars dropped off a certain other company website?

Unlikely source, was surprised to see that update, had to re-read it a couple of times to make sure I actually saw H and Z... Very Happy Happy, though, especially how far along they appear to be.

Hopefully they'll be out soon, The S cars have been on the to do list for a while. I was even speaking about them a fair while ago the last time I was at TW, I think there was a few too many people keen to purchase a bunch more S cars, still. Ditto for the BRS cars. Hopefully they don't need too much "adjustment", either detail wise or price wise - like the Lima prices did?

Wolfpac
wolfpac

I contacted Powerline in 2010 when I first heard about the S carriage re-run. At the time, they were expecting about $55 per carriage. Given rising costs and the "upgrades", I expect it will be somewhat higher now. Looking forward to the S and Z carriages.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
At the time, they were expecting about $55 per carriage. Given rising costs and the "upgrades", I expect it will be somewhat higher now.
TheMeddlingMonk


Probably, since they were getting that for the damaged tangerine V/Line coaches not that long ago.
  5711 Assistant Commissioner

Some improved BS/FS cars would be welcomed...especially in some candy colours.

Noticed that there was no update on the improved 81/G/BL class . Guess its not the top of the priority table.
Also noticed no mention of another 48 class colour variation.......
  Iain Chief Commissioner

Location: Concord, NSW
You would have to say that they are in a bit of a race with Eureka for the title of the longest projects the S carriages have been happening for many years now.
  a6et Minister for Railways

No doubt, based on the FB photo's that the BCH & BWH models show a very decent upgrade to the originals, but then again that would not have been hard to achieve.  I guess the problem is that if there is anything found wrong with these models, then one would expect that the owners of PL would come out all guns blazing, with put down of the people, also with the response as they did with the 48cl, that being  They do not realise how much research etc etc etc. was put into these models.

While they look not too bad in the photo's, there are aspects of them that I think have been poorly modelled, some may think nit picking but with the way things are & expectations these days I would have though that the factory could have done better if the research & photographic evidence was there for them to work with, of course the thing is what was the base of their research, eg was it again the preserved representation at Thirlmere of the BCH & a roof covering to finish off for a BWH?
From what I can see the end support posts, along with the pipe work, & what should be a triple valve casting is terrible, with no definition & certainly just blocks of plastic rather than trying to even replicate the angle supports on the real wagons.  The brake piston lever rod is also the same, no grade control valve, yet the wagons are decaled as having them.  The blob on the brake gear end, may be supposed to represent the Davies Metcalf Relay valve equipment which certainly were not on the older BCH/BWH, except perhaps a couple of them prior to receiving RB bogies.

The other aspect with them is that the pipe work is also course, as is the ladder.  Seems to me, like many other models from the new era of PL models that they go so far with what they are doing, & likely succumb at the end to get them out quick meaning they fail with the finishing touches.

The big question will be with them is what price will they lump on them?

Sorry, but while I would not have minded a pack of them, I will wait & hope that TOR will do another run of their models.
  br30453 Chief Train Controller

No doubt, based on the FB photo's that the BCH & BWH models show a very decent upgrade to the originals, but then again that would not have been hard to achieve. I guess the problem is that if there is anything found wrong with these models, then one would expect that the owners of PL would come out all guns blazing, with put down of the people, also with the response as they did with the 48cl, that being They do not realise how much research etc etc etc. was put into these models.

While they look not too bad in the photo's, there are aspects of them that I think have been poorly modelled, some may think nit picking but with the way things are & expectations these days I would have though that the factory could have done better if the research & photographic evidence was there for them to work with, of course the thing is what was the base of their research, eg was it again the preserved representation at Thirlmere of the BCH & a roof covering to finish off for a BWH?
From what I can see the end support posts, along with the pipe work, & what should be a triple valve casting is terrible, with no definition & certainly just blocks of plastic rather than trying to even replicate the angle supports on the real wagons. The brake piston lever rod is also the same, no grade control valve, yet the wagons are decaled as having them. The blob on the brake gear end, may be supposed to represent the Davies Metcalf Relay valve equipment which certainly were not on the older BCH/BWH, except perhaps a couple of them prior to receiving RB bogies.

The other aspect with them is that the pipe work is also course, as is the ladder. Seems to me, like many other models from the new era of PL models that they go so far with what they are doing, & likely succumb at the end to get them out quick meaning they fail with the finishing touches.

The big question will be with them is what price will they lump on them?

Sorry, but while I would not have minded a pack of them, I will wait & hope that TOR will do another run of their models.
a6et

Regardless of any other features that are poorly modelled there is one feature of both the Powerline and Trainorama models that is an obvious error.
When looked at from above one can see this.
The shape of the inside of the wagon at the top rail on both models is rectangular and does not follow the contour of outside.
The varying thickness of the wall gives the game away.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Regardless of any other features that are poorly modelled there is one feature of both the Powerline and Trainorama models that is an obvious error.
When looked at from above one can see this.
The shape of the inside of the wagon at the top rail on both models is rectangular and does not follow the contour of outside.
The varying thickness of the wall gives the game away.
br30453

To be fair, the type of tooling used does not allow the correct shape to be made in a one piece moulding, since the inner tool could not be withdrawn from the moulded body as it would be wider than the opening in the body.

A correct shape could only be obtained if the sides were moulded separately as flats and glued together, as is done with many kits. This would increase the cost and reduce the strength and  the joins would be obvious.

But that is a compromise resulting from the technology used and isn't a choice made by the manufacturer.

It isn't a problem with the covered hoppers, the BWH and BRH types, of course.

M636C
  NSWGR1855 Deputy Commissioner

To be fair, the type of tooling used does not allow the correct shape to be made in a one piece moulding, since the inner tool could not be withdrawn from the moulded body as it would be wider than the opening in the body.

A correct shape could only be obtained if the sides were moulded separately as flats and glued together, as is done with many kits. This would increase the cost and reduce the strength and the joins would be obvious.

But that is a compromise resulting from the technology used and isn't a choice made by the manufacturer.

It isn't a problem with the covered hoppers, the BWH and BRH types, of course.

M636C
M636C

The technology used by Trainorama is a multi piece body assembled at the factory, therefore there is no technical or cost reason why the shape of the top edge  of the model could not have bene modeled more accurately. I am not familiar with the new Powerline models, however they are probably the same construction method. There is no technical reason why they could not have got it right. It is consistent with Powerline's low standard of model accuracy compared to some of the better models we see today. Im glad I have some of the more accurate Trainorama BCH,s.

Terry Flynn
  John_Bushell Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Some improved BS/FS cars would be welcomed...especially in some candy colours.
5711

Austrains have done FS & BS.  No idea if they did a candy paint scheme because I bought the red ones.

Still have a few of the old PL ones to "upgrade" when I get around to it.

Regards,
John
  M636C Minister for Railways

Austrains have done FS & BS. No idea if they did a candy paint scheme because I bought the red ones.

Still have a few of the old PL ones to "upgrade" when I get around to it.

Regards,
John
John_Bushell


At the Kaleen exhibition last year, one layout was running a train made up of both Powerline and Austrains S cars.

The only way you could tell that they were different when the train was moving was that the Tuscan and Russet colours were different.

I drew this to John Eassie's attention since he was responsible for both models, the Powerline models being released by John under the Trax label.

This was despite the Austrains models having correct roof ventilators while the Poweline models had only "Half relief" ventilators.

When the train was stopped, it was clear that the Powerline models had recessed window glazing and slightly smaller window openings but as far as could be seen they were both the same overall size and shape.

John is now only offering FS cars as part of the three car mail van pack, although some of these are being offered at exhibitions removed from the packs.

If flush glazing could be added to the Powerline cars and you only ran cars of different colour schemes together (Say Austrains Indian Red with Powerline Tuscan and Russet - which would be prototypical up to the mid 1960s) the effect wouldn't be too bad. Of course the two manufacturers could get together and match the colours for future production....

M636C

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