Observations (Transperth, A & B series)

 
  1213Driver Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Western Australia
Ive noticed east end of claisebrook depot has had some work. Anybody know wats happening? Laying more tracks? The new trains are due soon arnt they?
hello

Yeh 3 new tracks making up to 5 roads for storage etc. see link below Laughing

http://www.inmycommunity.com.au/news-and-views/local-news/Residents-rail-against-expansion/7645406/

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  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman

Location: Perth
Yeh 3 new tracks making up to 5 roads for storage etc. see link below Laughing

http://www.inmycommunity.com.au/news-and-views/local-news/Residents-rail-against-expansion/7645406/
1213Driver
Gee, sandgropers love to whinge! They're storage tracks for christ sake, not a mainline.
  andrew1996 Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
Gee, sandgropers love to whinge! They're storage tracks for christ sake, not a mainline.
Wool Stores
I think they said they were concerned about losing the tree buffer between themselves and the mainlines.
  1213Driver Chief Commissioner

Location: Perth Western Australia
Gee, sandgropers love to whinge! They're storage tracks for christ sake, not a mainline.
Wool Stores

Probably more likely they are FIFO blow ins from the east who are able to afford to live there.

Anyway lets really take a look at what the NIMBY's are complaining about.

Currently they do live on a mainline section with what is really a shunting neck just outside their door. From 4am onwards till 1am at night, Trains accelerate away with the usual traction motor noise, Returns come off the Bridge usually in Dynamic braking mode on the approach to Claisebrook which combined with the flange on curve noise is probably annoying enough throughout the day.
In the Yard - The River Dead End shunt neck sees a small amount of traffic after the morning peak period with cars coming off traffic for storage or servicing.
After the evening peak period virtually every set of cars traverses the shunt neck up till about 10pm to access the Wash & cleaning ramps both in and out before storage for the night, with only the remaining late night sets left after 1am - sometimes the heavy incoming traffic is till after midnight depending on the Night ie Fri or Sat and what event services are being provided.
After the cars are cleaned the traffic stops and all goes quiet as nothing is stored at the River end.

The future for the E/Pth NIMBY sees not only the usual traversing of the dead end but also cars being stored overnight outside their door. This means air compressors running (some of which are not quiet), Air pressure release valves dumping air all night, sometimes fault buzzers going off.
 As crews arrive and prep cars from 3.45am - Doors opening closing banging, Chatter , Fault buzzers and Indicators being tested, Lights, Horns, Door gongs and PA systems tested,  CB Radios in use, Occasional banging together or splitting of cars, Points being pulled across and then the cars departing and squealing through curves etc. Of course due to the location there will no doubt be some serious Lighting of the Area for security purposes.

Electric trains are probably for most people considered generally Quiet, but they can also be noisy when doing nothing in a quiet space
There is quite a bit of noise that comes from Cars being stored and its not surprising the Nimby's of E/Pth are making a stand.

It is also possible that this area may become an entry and exit point to the Yard from the Armadale main further into the future - particularly with Mr Barnett wasting our $$$$ on the other side of the river - The SOD has now turned the SOD!

Of course at the end of the day - it is the usual story of residents who move in and then complain about the noise that has been there forever. Cant blame them as the noise for these people is going to increase, but it is the choice they made to live next to a railway.
Im sure if it was you living there you would also be complaining - its what Human Beings do!
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Yeh 3 new tracks making up to 5 roads for storage etc. see link below Laughing

http://www.inmycommunity.com.au/news-and-views/local-news/Residents-rail-against-expansion/7645406/
1213Driver

will the third gen b series be stowed at Claisebrook? I wonder how they'll get them delivered to Perth from Maryborough, Queensland? surely B set 95 must be on its way over now.
  andrew1996 Train Controller

Location: Fremantle
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  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

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andrew1996
I can't stand people that graffiti especially trains nothing makes me more angry *shakes fists in rage* it doesn't seem to be as prevalent now though, but that pic of the idiot on the drivers cabin of the B series is just asking for it.
  GvhftrKijl Locomotive Driver

Location: ERD
that pic of the idiot on the drivers cabin of the B series is just asking for it.
thewaratahtrain
That pic was doing the rounds via email about four years ago, and even made it into at least one of the two major local newspapers...
  doggie015 Junior Train Controller

Location: On a bus going from esplanade busport to canning bridge so I can catch a train to Esplanade station
Shutdowns start tomorrow. I hope you all have worked out your alternate travel plans for the 5 days!
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman
  cityleaper Beginner

Saw a 3 car b series running the armadale at around 12:14 On July 18 at perth
  Q4004 Chief Commissioner

Location: Thornlie
Saw a 3 car b series running the armadale at around 12:14 On July 18 at perth
cityleaper
Very mouch doubt that cause the tracks arent connected from Fremantle Line to Joondalup Line yet since just before the first shutdown. And i never saw a B Series doing a run down the line towards Cannington since July 12th
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Very mouch doubt that cause the tracks arent connected from Fremantle Line to Joondalup Line yet since just before the first shutdown. And i never saw a B Series doing a run down the line towards Cannington since July 12th
"Q4004"


I checked railcar allocation and the B series with been withdrawn from revenue service on the older "heritage" lines it's a 2car A series which does that service haven't seen any B series at all at Perth central.. The tunnel's pretty neat I must say.
  doggie015 Junior Train Controller

Location: On a bus going from esplanade busport to canning bridge so I can catch a train to Esplanade station
I checked railcar allocation and the B series with been withdrawn from revenue service on the older "heritage" lines it's a 2car A series which does that service haven't seen any B series at all at Perth central.. The tunnel's pretty neat I must say.
thewaratahtrain
You'll probably start seeing them again after this shutdown is over. The B series was physically prevented from transferring to the "heritage" lines due to the new tunnel cutting off the link. After this latest shutdown the link will be re-established and the transfer can happen as normal
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

You'll probably start seeing them again after this shutdown is over. The B series was physically prevented from transferring to the "heritage" lines due to the new tunnel cutting off the link. After this latest shutdown the link will be re-established and the transfer can happen as normal
"doggie015"


There's no need for them to be used on those lines accept for special events perhaps.
  doggie015 Junior Train Controller

Location: On a bus going from esplanade busport to canning bridge so I can catch a train to Esplanade station
There's no need for them to be used on those lines accept for special events perhaps.
thewaratahtrain
They frequently use the B series for express services to showgrounds during the IGA Perth Royal Show
  Wool Stores Locomotive Fireman

Location: Perth
The lines have been physically connected since the first closure, but they weren't electrified. So theoretically a B-Series could have been shunted through the crossover by the MA, but I highly doubt that happened. Last I heard the MA was out of service.
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

They frequently use the B series for express services to showgrounds during the IGA Perth Royal Show
doggie015
Sorry that's what I meant.
  steve_w_1990 Junior Train Controller

Location: Trying to fix something on the PTA Network
There is now a reported tempoary speed restriction (from what I'm told 20km/h) on the Armadale line somewhere around Belmont Park Station causing delays on the Armadale Line. From what I've been told, it's to do with the upgrade works around Burswood.

Not sure how long the speed restriciton will be in place, but it did result in Platform One at Thornlie being used once at about 6:00pm to cater for late running trains.
  doggie015 Junior Train Controller

Location: On a bus going from esplanade busport to canning bridge so I can catch a train to Esplanade station
There is now a reported tempoary speed restriction (from what I'm told 20km/h) on the Armadale line somewhere around Belmont Park Station causing delays on the Armadale Line. From what I've been told, it's to do with the upgrade works around Burswood.

Not sure how long the speed restriciton will be in place, but it did result in Platform One at Thornlie being used once at about 6:00pm to cater for late running trains.
steve_w_1990
Yeah; They slow right down after crossing the river from before Belmont park to before burswood. Apparently due to the instability of the rails most likely due to a lack of ballast under the tracks they have to slow down to prevent the lines from shifting. It's an annoyance but better than a complete shutdown on what is quite possibly the busiest segment of rail on the network!

EDIT: Actually the ballast looks fine. It could probably be due to the recent rain heightening the chance of the ground collapsing or caving in at that area due to vibrations from train movement.
  sydnytrains Chief Commissioner

Location: McDonalds Front counter serving customers
Noticed a B series Train at Perth station going to Thornlie on Thursday afternoon. Couldn't see the unit number. I thought these trains aren't supposed to go there.
  thewaratahtrain Chief Train Controller

Noticed a B series Train at Perth station going to Thornlie on Thursday afternoon. Couldn't see the unit number. I thought these trains aren't supposed to go there.
"sydnytrains"


I think it may have been on testing
  hello Station Master

Rail allocation has 3 car running Thornlie in the morning. They must have changed it back again
  Mouse Chief Train Controller

Location:
Rail allocation has 3 car running Thornlie in the morning. They must have changed it back again
hello


I'll check that you're looking at the current version? I can't find any on here: http://www.transperth.wa.gov.au/UsingTransperth/RailcarAllocation/RailcarAllocation18July2013.aspx

I suspect that Transperth haven't yet deleted the old version from the website (if so they're taking their time Rolling Eyes) - giveaway is the 16:58 Perth-Armadale train which was chopped in this year's timetable.

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