Union Pacific will try to restore massive 'Big Boy,' one of largest steam engines ever built

 

News article: Union Pacific will try to restore massive 'Big Boy,' one of largest steam engines ever built

CHEYENNE, Wyoming — Union Pacific Railroad says it will try to restore one of the largest steam locomotives ever built to operating condition.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
CHEYENNE, Wyoming — Union Pacific Railroad says it will try to restore one of the largest steam locomotives ever built to operating condition.

The railroad said Tuesday it reached an agreement to acquire a "Big Boy" locomotive from the RailGiants Train Museum at the Los Angeles County Fairgrounds.



It will be moved to Union Pacific's Cheyenne shops, where the railroad maintains other operating steam locomotives.
Union Pacific will try to restore massive 'Big Boy,' one of largest steam engines ever built


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The unit will be 4014
Regards
Brian

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
BigBoy 4014

  QSB6.7 Chief Train Controller

Location: Going off the rails on a crazy train.
Great news.  

Counting down the foam of "PN to rebuild H220" threads or posts to start.
  JimYarin Chief Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Union Pacific Railroad Acquires Big Boy Locomotive No. 4014

Omaha, Neb., July 23, 2013 – Union Pacific Railroad today announced it reached an agreement with the Southern California Chapter - Railway & Locomotive Historical Society in Pomona, Calif., to transfer ownership of one of the world's largest steam locomotives, Big Boy No. 4014, back to Union Pacific.

Union Pacific plans to relocate No. 4014 to Cheyenne, Wyo., where Union Pacific's Heritage Fleet Operations team will work to restore it to operating condition. Details regarding those efforts will be made public at a later date.

Union Pacific donated No. 4014 to the historical society December 7, 1961. The locomotive arrived January 8, 1962, at its current display location at the Rail Giants Train Museum in Pomona.

No other railroad has retained its historical equipment or honored its American roots like Union Pacific.

"Our steam locomotive program is a source of great pride to Union Pacific employees past and present," said Ed Dickens, senior manager - Union Pacific Heritage Operations. "We are very excited about the opportunity to bring history to life by restoring No. 4014."

About Union Pacific

Union Pacific Railroad is the principal operating company of Union Pacific Corporation (NYSE: UNP). One of America's most recognized companies, Union Pacific Railroad links 23 states in the western two-thirds of the country by rail, providing a critical link in the global supply chain. From 2007-2012, Union Pacific invested $18 billion in its network and operations to support America's transportation infrastructure, including a record $3.7 billion in 2012. The railroad's diversified business mix includes Agricultural Products, Automotive, Chemicals, Coal, Industrial Products and Intermodal. Union Pacific serves many of the fastest-growing U.S. population centers, operates from all major West Coast and Gulf Coast ports to eastern gateways, connects with Canada's rail systems and is the only railroad serving all six major Mexico gateways. Union Pacific provides value to its roughly 10,000 customers by delivering products in a safe, reliable, fuel-efficient and environmentally responsible manner.

Union Pacific media contacts:
Aaron Hunt, 916-789-6019, amhunt@up.com @aaronmhunt
Mark Davis, 402-544-5459 or mwdavis@up.com.
  Groover Train Controller

Location: A long way from home
I've visited the museum and seen 4014.  At the time, 2002, they told me it was complete and in excellent condition.  It appeared to be complete in the cabin and looked after.  The museum had to move it at some point and it rolled quite freely.  The museum in LA is well worth a visit and was set up to preserve what was the epitome of US railroad engineering.  

At the time I was fascinated with the 3 cylinder UP9000 that is there and its similarities in design to the 57 & 58 class

There was talk about that time (2000-2002) of restoring the Dallas based Big Boy for a movie.  Nothing came of that.  The website existed for some years afterwards.  When they moved that Big Boy the piston rods were cut in an act of preservation vandalism.  It was not in good external condition compared to 4014 when I saw it in 2002.

It's a pity that respect for 5711, its engineering and impact on haulage has been thwarted by circumstances over the years.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The move of the historic Union Pacific Big Boy locomotive is scheduled for this Sunday, officials with the Museum of the American Railroad said Thursday.
Logistics, including bridge repairs, track upgrades and inspections, have delayed the move several times already.
The Big Boy is the last piece in the museum’s 40-car collection that remains at Fair Park, which has been the museum’s home since the early 1960s. The museum is moving to a larger site in Frisco.
At 1.2 million pounds, the Big Boy is the largest steam locomotive ever built. Only eight such locomotives still exist, and rarely do they travel on the tracks. The locomotive’s move is expected to generate crowds when it hits the rails.
Departure time will be between 8:30 and 9:30 a.m. Sunday from Fair Park. The move is expected to take most of the day. Stay tuned here on the Frisco Blog for details.
Museum officials want to remind folks coming out to view the historic move to keep safety in mind and not trespass on private property.
Good viewing spots include Fair Park, Union Station and the museum’s new site along the Dallas North Tollway off Cotton Gin Road.
In Frisco, access to the end of Cotton Gin Road and the area immediately to the north is prohibited. A tented viewing area will be set up just inside the museum’s fence for the public to gather. Parking will be available at the Frisco Discovery Center. Access to the Museum’s site will be through the contractor gate along Cotton Gin Road. Parking along Cotton Gin Road is prohibited.
[color=#005689]Click here[/color] to learn more about the museum and its move to Frisco.

The locomotive is now underway to its new home for restoration:

  Groover Train Controller

Location: A long way from home
Just to clarify Bevans post, the Big Boy pictured in his post is not the one destined for restoration by UP.  It is the Dallas based one which is being moved as part of a relocation of the Dallas museum.  4014 is located in Los Angeles.
The Museum of the American Railroad in Dallas had pictures of 4018 that show the cut piston rods I referred to earlier.
The transfer of 4014 from LA to Cheyenne is going to be an event worth following.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks Groover.  Looks like the article in the USA used the wrong picture?
  GT46C-ACe Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
No that's 4018 pictured.
  Groover Train Controller

Location: A long way from home
Thanks Groover.  Looks like the article in the USA used the wrong picture?
bevans

It's the correct picture for the article, i.e. the transfer of the Dallas museum.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Apparently Union Pacific has a good record of restoration of it's old locos.  Full marks to them.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Thanks Groover.  Looks like the article in the USA used the wrong picture?
bevans
Looks to me like this move is unrelated to UP restoration project.

Visiting 4014 is one of those item that's likely to get crossed off my bucket list prior to my kicking it but without me actually seeing the thing Sad.  

Moving 4014 looks like it will be a major undertaking given the siding it sits on has long been marooned, so there is hope for me yet!
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Certainly built them big in the US of A and pushed steam technology boundaries 8)

The NSWGR 57 class owed much to what they were doing at the time.

If only NSW and Victorian railways looked more to the US than the UK we may be reaping the benefits of their loading gauge today Sad
  Groover Train Controller

Location: A long way from home
While reading through the posts associated with the Dallas move people are reporting that #4014 may be moved out of the Fair Grounds in LA during Oct 2013.  Approx 4,000ft of temp track will have to be laid to access the existing rail network.  The loco will be moved to a holding yard in LA for further preparation for the move to Cheyenne.  Max speed to Cheyenne will be 25mph, with lots of stops for maintenance etc.  This will be a drawcard.

The UP Challenger has hauled at least one demo freight that I know of so a Challenger+Big Boy on Sherman Hill may not be such a far fetched dream.

At our end, can't wait for 6029 to steam again.  Maybe 5917+6029 between Picton and Moss Vale on a container job?
  Salty21 Junior Train Controller

Location: Canberra
While reading through the posts associated with the Dallas move people are reporting that #4014 may be moved out of the Fair Grounds in LA during Oct 2013.  Approx 4,000ft of temp track will have to be laid to access the existing rail network.  The loco will be moved to a holding yard in LA for further preparation for the move to Cheyenne.  Max speed to Cheyenne will be 25mph, with lots of stops for maintenance etc.  This will be a drawcard.

The UP Challenger has hauled at least one demo freight that I know of so a Challenger+Big Boy on Sherman Hill may not be such a far fetched dream.

At our end, can't wait for 6029 to steam again.  Maybe 5917+6029 between Picton and Moss Vale on a container job?
Groover
It would be a great combination Groover but I hear 5917 requires a lot of work to ever become operational again! But 6029 is getting closer and closer!
  MC3801 Train Controller

5917 had it's hydro test earlier this year in April and there was another update on 6029's overhaul earlier this month.
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Overnight 4014 made it's first moves along the temporary track being built between the museum and the nearest rail line.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU91p4UfFdg
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Overnight 4014 made it's first moves along the temporary track being built between the museum and the nearest rail line.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU91p4UfFdg
lkernan
I believe UP are looking to convert it to an oil burner using modern technology. I think one of the last Big Boys built was an oil burner but with mixed results. The Big Boy might have been the largest steamer built but not the most powerful which honour I believe belongs to a Duluth Missabe and Iron Range steamer.
  Bulbous Assistant Commissioner

I believe UP are looking to convert it to an oil burner using modern technology. I think one of the last Big Boys built was an oil burner but with mixed results. The Big Boy might have been the largest steamer built but not the most powerful which honour I believe belongs to a Duluth Missabe and Iron Range steamer.
nswtrains

That arguement geos round and round with many more locos getting thrown in the mix - there are arguements for the C&O H6's, N&W Y6b's, DM&IR Yellowstones, etc, etc. There are loads of different measurements available for this fun, but the only agreement anyone can come to is that there is no one loco which ticks the highest box in more than a couple of areas.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

That arguement geos round and round with many more locos getting thrown in the mix - there are arguements for the C&O H6's, N&W Y6b's, DM&IR Yellowstones, etc, etc. There are loads of different measurements available for this fun, but the only agreement anyone can come to is that there is no one loco which ticks the highest box in more than a couple of areas.
Bulbous
The Yellowstone were more powerful but at lower speeds than the Big Boy which was designed for !00 MPH running in Wyoming etc. But they were all massive locos. Even though the 57 class had some Santa Fe inspirations, as mentioned, none the less, it would have been considered a very light mountain type in the USA. I was looking at the dimensions of a MPI SD70ACe and it came in at 16'1" tall and 10' 6" wide. I believe the Big Boy is 11' wide and close to 17' tall.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It is said UP won't allow coal burning steam on their network and all steam locomotives must be oil fired.  The question is can the UP BigBoy be easily converted and could UP make an exception for this grand old locomotive?

Regards
Brian
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

It is said UP won't allow coal burning steam on their network and all steam locomotives must be oil fired.  The question is can the UP BigBoy be easily converted and could UP make an exception for this grand old locomotive?

Regards
Brian
bevans
You guys do not seem to understand that what UP wants is what it gets. So their Big Boy will be a oil burner. The only surprising thing is that UP did not hang onto a Big Boy in the first place.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

It is said UP won't allow coal burning steam on their network and all steam locomotives must be oil fired.  The question is can the UP BigBoy be easily converted and could UP make an exception for this grand old locomotive?

Regards
Brian
bevans
It shouldn't be too hard to convert the Big Boy to oil, the late series Challengers had 132sqft grates and were converted to oil, the Big Boy has a 150sqft grate, which isn't a whole lot bigger (for those guys). One Big Boy was converted to oil in the late forties, but it was found the single Challenger burner wasn't up to spec. With that experience this conversion will have a good idea of just how much oil is needed and where in the firebox it has to be delivered too.
  lkernan Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The question is can the UP BigBoy be easily converted
bevans

That is part of the plan according to UP :
http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/locomotives/4014.shtml

See the note at the very bottom of the table :  **Current configuration. Plans call for a conversion to No. 5 Oil
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Well the best is on its way to Wyoming via Colton Yard. I have not been past Colton Yard for some years but never recall the distance from Pomona to Colton being 60 miles so my memory must be a little lax.

Good to see the journey finally getting underway!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFkxhdo5kBo

and December 2013



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTPqmK57AJU

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