Are Australian Dunnies Badly Designed?

 
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Given that I get accused of pissing all over the place (I don't actually) by the wifely substances, I reckon I have been set up by the design of our dunny.

The classic Aussie bowl has a mad flushing action that causes lots of spray in the bowl, and I reckon that spray, containing parts of which you are trying to dispose, gets up onto the seat and the lid. And my view is that this is a bad design.

The American bowl is shallower, has more water in it, and flushes in a gentle swirling action that does not throw up spray. I reckon they got a better design than we did.

Therefore, I reckon the bloke in the household is getting the raw end of the deal and being accused of a crime he is not guilty of.

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  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I've found the high tide in Yankee loos to be quite unnerving.

Thinking of redesigning the can? Hmmm, with risk of getting TMI, been spending a bit of time using one eh?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
John O'Grady, in his book, "The Things They Do To You", writes about Father Pio, a priest on one of the Samoan islands named Nukunonu. His toilet, or "laitiiti" was set on coral blocks over the peaceful waters of the lagoon. It had timber walls and a pandanus palm roof. There was a long drop to the water, concealed from passing canoe men by a palm frond screen, and from the shore by a coral rock wall and garden inhabited by multi-coloured fish. A hole in the floor gave a delightful view of this colourful display of sea life. On the sitter's left was a rack containing the latest - only about a year old - American magazines, and on the right was a fishing line and a tin of bait. Truly a wise man, Father Pio. A man who knew the value of peaceful contemplation.
This dunny is just what TheBlacksmith ( or Mrs Blacksmith ) is looking for - no need to flush it - the tides did the work.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
I've found the high tide in Yankee loos to be quite unnerving.

Thinking of redesigning the can? Hmmm, with risk of getting TMI, been spending a bit of time using one eh?
Aaron

The high tide is only an issue if your hangers are too long. No, not so much using it, as cleaning it... incessantly, just to keep peace.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
John O'Grady, in his book, "The Things They Do To You", writes about Father Pio, a priest on one of the Samoan islands named Nukunonu. His toilet, or "laitiiti" was set on coral blocks over the peaceful waters of the lagoon. It had timber walls and a pandanus palm roof. There was a long drop to the water, concealed from passing canoe men by a palm frond screen, and from the shore by a coral rock wall and garden inhabited by multi-coloured fish. A hole in the floor gave a delightful view of this colourful display of sea life. On the sitter's left was a rack containing the latest - only about a year old - American magazines, and on the right was a fishing line and a tin of bait. Truly a wise man, Father Pio. A man who knew the value of peaceful contemplation.
This dunny is just what TheBlacksmith ( or Mrs Blacksmith ) is looking for - no need to flush it - the tides did the work.
Valvegear

Sounds good to me. Can I get one at Bunnings?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Sounds good to me. Can I get one at Bunnings?
TheBlacksmith
And don't forget the mossie coil.
  jayrail Assistant Commissioner

Location: te Anau Southern Alps NZ
Please invent a seat warmer for the NZ winters;nothing worse than a short sharp shock from a frozen seat! Sphincters snap shut.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Please invent a seat warmer for the NZ winters;nothing worse than a short sharp shock from a frozen seat! Sphincters snap shut.
jayrail
Yeah, we hear that over here at about 11.00AM each winter morning, the sound of several thousand sphincters in Enzed.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I have pondered the poor design of our dunnies for some considerable time. The water in most is not even aimed in the most likely part of the bowl to become soiled. Now having spent the last 6 weeks in the UK I have discovered how a toilet is supposed to work (pretty much as described by the OP, but without the "half tide"). Now in Kuala Lumpur, our hotel toilet is of the American design with both the swirl and "half tide". Both the British and the American designs work far better than the Aussie dunny...
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Most toilet seats usually come with a flap on them that covers the thing. Close this flap when finished whatever you were doing and then flush the toilet. Problem solved.Laughing
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
Most toilet seats usually come with a flap on them that covers the thing. Close this flap when finished whatever you were doing and then flush the toilet. Problem solved.Laughing
David Peters
Nope, that does not solve the problem, because the violent thrashing action causes diluted urine to splash up on the lid and then the seat. This is the cause of the problem that I mentioned at the outset.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Nope, that does not solve the problem, because the violent thrashing action causes diluted urine to splash up on the lid and then the seat. This is the cause of the problem that I mentioned at the outset.
TheBlacksmith
I think what David was getting at was along the lines of "if you can't see the problem it doesn't matter"... 8)
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I hate American toilets as the water level is way too high, it looks at first impression to be ready to flood. Not to mention that the better endowed of us end up with wet bits, combined with the other... well too much info at this point.

Sounds to me.that your particular bowl has too much water running through at too high a pressure when you flush.

As a male, living alone at Ballan Manor and wanting to keep the smallest room of the house always spick & span, I always sit down to use my loo which keeps it free of splashes etc.

No doubt the subject of blokes sitting for all matters in the loo could be another discussion.

Mike.
  TheBlacksmith Chief Commissioner

Location: Ankh Morpork
As a male, living alone at Ballan Manor and wanting to keep the smallest room of the house always spick & span, I always sit down to use my loo which keeps it free of splashes etc.
The Vinelander
Given what you have told us before, that did make me smile.
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Since Graham4405 is currently in Kayelle, may I suggest the squatting pan?
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Since Graham4405 is currently in Kayelle, may I suggest the squatting pan?
Watson374
Still here in KL, but only until morning...

I haven't actually stumbled into seen one of those as yet, but I'm not sure that would solve the problem being discussed...
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
Still here in KL, but only until morning...

I haven't actually stumbled into seen one of those as yet, but I'm not sure that would solve the problem being discussed...
"Graham4405"
Hmm. They're quite common, actually, and most public facilities have both bowls and pans. Still, it doesn't have splash issues (indeed, the entire seat hygiene issue is eliminated by eliminating the seat), although the balancing and hosing are probably more challenging.

I hope you enjoyed your visit to the country of my background, and wish you a pleasant flight tomorrow!
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I hope you enjoyed your visit to the country of my background, and wish you a pleasant flight tomorrow!
Watson374
We have enjoyed our very brief stay in KL, just about to head out for a short walk and dinner, then sleep until about 4:30am, breakfast and a taxi ride to the airport. Malaysia Airlines have not disappointed so far, I don't expect to be disappointed tomorrow. It will be good to be home. I'll put a trip report in the appropriate thread once I get settled back in at home.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Please avoid this on the way home:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-CfVzx3sro

Regards
Brian
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Please avoid this on the way home:
bevans
Hmm, I hadn't thought of that...

This one is a bit more on topic here:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHZlIBC7QGM
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
Well as an Ex plumber there could be two reasons for the splashing the first as described above is simply too much water going into the bowl reset  the inlet water valve to a lower level and see if that works or get a bottle an old pint milk one is superb if you have one fill it with water and place in the cistern out of the way of the float and mechanism. This will not only cut down on the amount of water being flushed bit it will save you a lot of water as well. What is in the bottle never gets flushed.

If that does not work then it could be that the sewerage outlet pipe from the bowl has a partial blockage in it like tree roots etc this will tend to hold back the water and make it rise in the pan so it splashes. Get this checked by a qualified plumber and if the old drain is clay type pipes and is cracked or something and it is tree roots, get it all re plumbed in PVC pipe with glued joints. A quick fix and a temporary one is to get the plumber to use his drain cleaning machine on that drain. Cheaper in the long run to get the new pipes put in though.

If you have a long flush pipe on the cistern to the toilet bowl you might need to lower the cistern and use a shorter flush pipe on it. The greater the distance between the cistern and the bowl the greater the chance of it splashing. As the water moves that little bit faster on the long flush pipes.

It could be one other factor though that the toilet bowl is not compatible with the cistern. An old cistern with a modern bowl is asking for trouble as these modern bowls are made to use less water to flush them so the old cistern just  simply has too much water every,time it is flushed to actually escape down the drain so it backs up a bit and could be cause the water to splash. Cut the water level down as above or add a bottle to the cistern.

One thing I did forget is it the inlet valve spraying water onto the lid of the cistern and then hitting the seat or floor. If that is the case you need to put new rubber seals in the fresh water inlet valve in the cistern most hardware stores sell kits for these but be warned one kit does not do all, you have to find out what brand the cistern is and get the appropriate kit to fit that cistern.
  Braddo Deputy Commissioner

Location: Narre Warren
The dunnies here are poorly designed in my opinion. I often have to clean the bowl after doing a number 2 and flushing it, I do not recall having this problem in the UK.
  hosk1956 Deputy Commissioner

Location: no where near gunzels
I too found the American pans a bit unnerving, I thought it was going to flood over, and the splash from a big grogen was more of a worry than my dingly dangling in the water!  I had a yank ask me if our toilets did flush the 'wrong' way down in Australia, that was when I first found out that yanks don't have a sense of humour about themselves, he got upset when I questioned why everything is wrong if it isn't the yank way, and I thought he was going to pull a gun on me when I told him how much we all laugh at them. Then he went into a rant about Americans saving the world from Hitler, the Japs and now the Muslims, he was the one and only idiot I struck over there though, the rest were as nice as 'mom's home made Apple Pie'.
I got to like there toilets, I think they did stay cleaner but I got the impression that they would use a lot more water, didn't see any dual flush cisterns.


Wayne
  David Peters Dr Beeching

Location: "With Hey Boy".
When they bought in dual flush cisterns they also made them smaller they dropped from about 11 litres of water to about 9 litres of water from memory. This action caused constant complaints when an old fashioned toilet bowl was equipped with a modern less capacity full flush cistern it simply did not flush properly on full flush. So really you have to spend a bit of time fine tuning a cistern to work properly without it overflowing down the flush pipe. It can take a while to do it though.

But as I said though a malfunctioning inlet valve with faulty seals can do all kinds of tricks like this and have the missus still complain about you missing the bowl. If it is this then remove the top of the cistern and check the valve by simply flushing the toilet if water is escaping from place's it was not designed to do then it might need new rubber seals installed in it. If the inlet valve is cracked or something then simply replace it, you might not get one the same as the original though but any inlet valve for a cistern should fit into most any cistern without any problems. A replacement inlet valve you can get from any hardware store that stocks plumbing supplies the replacement kits for the rubber seals in cisterns are also available there and the most common one's I have seen are the "Fixaloo" brand they come in a yellow packet I think!
  Watson374 Chief Commissioner

Location: Fully reclined at the pointy end.
All these problems are solved by the Southeast Asian squatting pan and hose. Unfortunately, a magical solution would flush out all this discussion and all our writings would go down the toilet; a magical solution the 'Asian-style' toilet is not. If you can't get yourself in position, my "solution" isn't worth diddly squat...

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