Toolamba - Echuca line reopening

 
  NR77 Chief Commissioner

Lets see what happens then, and who will be laughing at the end of it
LowndesJ515
I wasn't laughing at you mate, rather at the goose who thinks he knows more about the rice train operation than you do!

Has anyone got any updates as to when the line will be opened?

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  Burkey Station Master

I noticed new sleepers dropped off next to the shunting lines in front of the Rice Mill on Friday. More work being done relating to this upgrade??
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
Ballasting crew was at Merrigum Friday. Another couple of weeks before they get to Echuca based on their current work rate.

- Although there was a crew on a high rail in Tatura. Not sure what they were up to, but if weekend work is happening, there must be a date the rice mill needs rail access.

Rick
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Ballasting crew was at Merrigum Friday. Another couple of weeks before they get to Echuca based on their current work rate.

- Although there was a crew on a high rail in Tatura. Not sure what they were up to, but if weekend work is happening, there must be a date the rice mill needs rail access.

Rick
RustyRick

Please excuse my confusion, but is the rice mill to now start taking traffic?

Regards
Brian
  VRfan Moderator

Location: In front of my computer :-p
I'm assuming they're just using a truck to dump the ballast?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
This thread has now been going for nearly three years and 250 odd posts. Has a train actually run and, if not, (as seems likely) when will services commence, please?
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
This thread has now been going for nearly three years and 250 odd posts. Has a train actually run and, if not, (as seems likely) when will services commence, please?
YM-Mundrabilla
I can only report what I see. A high rail dump truck is spreading the ballast, and a tamper is following it. I dont believe anything but maintenance vehicles have run on the line for the last 3 years.

The initial media reports did say trains would be moving late 2013. I'm guessing 8 weeks, but that is a guess.

Rick
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
I thought that some trains ran a year or so ago, not that I saw them.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I thought that some trains ran a year or so ago, not that I saw them.
Rodo
A few PN Tocumwal freight runs were routed through Toolamba - Echuca - Bendigo - Melbourne in early 2011.
  Rodo Chief Commissioner

Location: Southern Riverina
That would be it, I did notice some vague signs of use a fair while ago.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Thanks all. The wheels grind slowly in Victoria....................
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Thanks all. The wheels grind slowly in Victoria....................
"YM-Mundrabilla"

Whilst many including me would normally agree, the delay in this case was also due in part to a decision by Sunrice Board as to the viability of co funding the track upgrade due primarily to them gaining certainty around water allocations for rice growers.
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
Wouldn't the work currently being done be because of the fact the Bendigo line will be shut down for an extended period of time over Xmas? That would mean trains would run on the line when the shut down occurs. Correct me if I'm wrong but unless there's a requirement for additional paths, the current situation will remain status quo.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Wouldn't the work currently being done be because of the fact the Bendigo line will be shut down for an extended period of time over Xmas? That would mean trains would run on the line when the shut down occurs. Correct me if I'm wrong but unless there's a requirement for additional paths, the current situation will remain status quo.
SamTheMan79

Are you sure the plan is to move freight from Bendigo line to the Toolamba line on a permanent basis? IIRC PN used this line for Echuca traffic?

Regards
Brian
  SamTheMan79 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Geelong
No, sorry Brian. It sounds like the work being done on the line is being done in case of a shut down of the Bendigo line either for RRL works or emergency.

I'd say that for some reason (unknown to me) that it's critical that the rice gets to port and it mustn't be viable to do so via road.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks.  In that case it will be useful to have a second route to the north in any case. Supporting our exporters is the right thing to do.

Regards
Brian
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Thanks.  In that case it will be useful to have a second route to the north in any case. Supporting our exporters is the right thing to do.

Regards
Brian
bevans

The plan is definitely to permanently reroute the rice train via Toolamba to enable Sunrice and Qube to get 9"6" containers onto the service.  These can't go via Bendigo.  Sunrice haven't cofounded the upgrade for occasional use.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
9"6" in terms of height?
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
Yes.  Sorry I should have been more clear.   Currently all 9'6" containers are going by road from Deni.  Rerouting via Toolamba means future trains will be longer and even more viable with the additional boxes.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This is great news.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
The plan is definitely to permanently reroute the rice train via Toolamba to enable Sunrice and Qube to get 9"6" containers onto the service.  These can't go via Bendigo.  Sunrice haven't cofounded the upgrade for occasional use.
Trainplanner

Seems funny though when you think about it, PN were sending those containers up the Bendigo line all the time when the Tocumwal services were diverted this way, and on VEKX's as well. Odd when you note that VEKX's and CQRX's are essentially the same wagon (both former SKX/VFKX flats)...
  ed31880 Train Controller

So who are we to believe regarding the long term future route of the rice train? On one hand
we have someone who works for qube who says it will still run via bendigo with toolamba line being used when bendigo line is unavailable. On the other hand we have people who's credentials/sources are? saying that toolamba is the long term future route.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
So who are we to believe regarding the long term future route of the rice train? On one hand
we have someone who works for qube who says it will still run via bendigo with toolamba line being used when bendigo line is unavailable. On the other hand we have people who's credentials/sources are? saying that toolamba is the long term future route.
ed31880
we are going to have to wait and see. i've seen comments by QUBE drivers that the Toolamba route will be the permanent one, with the tall box line being one of the main reasons. Another is slots on the bendigo line have the train running in quite late to melbourne, the other way may allow for trains to get to melbourne much earlier with double track all the way from Seymour.
  G41 Chief Commissioner

Location: Footplate of any K class
we are going to have to wait and see. i've seen comments by QUBE drivers that the Toolamba route will be the permanent one, with the tall box line being one of the main reasons. Another is slots on the bendigo line have the train running in quite late to melbourne, the other way may allow for trains to get to melbourne much earlier with double track all the way from Seymour.
Galron

I dont know about you guys, but I know who i'd be believing....*cough*
  Trainplanner Chief Commissioner

Location: Along the Line
All of what Galron says is correct, plus the distance is shorter via Toolamba which reduces track access fees and operating costs.

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