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      Polar Tiger Chief Commissioner

    Location: FL390
    N463 is currently at the United Group facility in Spotswood, possibly for attention on the wheel lathe.
    Posted: 07 Sep 2013 22:40

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      richter170 Locomotive Driver

    N 463 is in service ran the 710 Albury this morning. Returning at 1650 this arvo. The same loco usually makes the 1801 evening service tonight.
    Posted: 10 Sep 2013 15:12
      Galron Chief Commissioner

    Location: Werribee, Vic
    With vline being an N down on BG for a while after the moriac incident, any likalyhood of an A or 2 becoming more regular than they have, or is there enough in the system to manage without an N for a few months?
    Posted: 10 Sep 2013 17:44
      richter170 Locomotive Driver

    Hi all, Today is the last run of set N18 it is currently paired with N 465 the last N in red. Arrival back from TGN is at 2020 into platform 14 at SC then empty cars to essendon to shunt and return to Spencer st. Off to Newport in morning. Apparently!
    Posted: 15 Sep 2013 14:25
      VN18 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Central Highlands
    N465 will be running the 1615 DOWN Bacchus today.
    Posted: 16 Sep 2013 12:35
      vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

    Location: Here, there, everywhere!
    Hi all,

    Yesterday, Sunday 15th September, the last ever full V/Line Passenger MkII red and blue liveried train was run, consisting of N465+N18 (ACN54-BRN52-BN1).

    It ran 8403 (0804 Southern Cross to Traralgon) on the down, and 8432 (1803 Traralgon to Southern Cross) on the up, stabling during the day in 'C' siding at Traralgon.

    N18, the last red and blue carriage set, was transferred by N471 to Newport Workshops today (16/09/2013) for repaint and refurbishment.

    Interestingly, car BZN267 and set N12 have already been painted in the current V/Line livery twice before N18 got its chance! BZN267 was outshopped a month or so ago, and N12 was outshopped last Friday, 12/9.

    The following V/Line locos/rollingstock remain in red/blue livery, VLP MkII logo unless stated:
    Locos:
    A60 (stored)
    A62 (stored)
    A70 (stored)
    N465
    P13 (standard gauge)
    P14
    P16
    P17
    P18
    Y129 (MkI logo)
    Y156
    Y161
    Y163 (MkI logo)

    Cars:
    BCZ257 (stored, no logo)
    BTN254 (stored)
    BZN258 (stored)
    BS215 (stored)
    BS216 (stored, MkI logo)
    BS217 (stored, MkI logo)
    BS218 (stored, MkI logo)
    BS219 (stored, MkI logo)
    MTH101 (Stored, no logos, owned by Metro)
    MTH103 (No logos, owned by Metro)
    MTH104 (No logos, owned by Metro)

    Vans:
    D302 (MkI logo)
    D322 (MkI logo)
    D324 (MkI logo)
    D335
    D339 (MkI logo)

    PH451
    PH452
    PH453 (MkI logo)

    Cheers
    Matt Julian
    Posted: 16 Sep 2013 22:02
      ab123 Chief Train Controller

    Isn't 472 still in tge old colours too
    Posted: 17 Sep 2013 11:33
      vlinecars V/Man - "Yeah!"

    Location: Here, there, everywhere!
    Isn't 472 still in tge old colours too
    "ab123"


    No, its at Newport getting a repaint at the moment.
    Posted: 17 Sep 2013 11:43
      VN18 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Central Highlands
    As stated above N12 has been out-shopped in VLP3, the first full car set to have been repainted from the current livery. To this N12 is now in the standard VLP3 livery, thus leaving only N14, BZN252 (First N/Z type car in VLP3) BZN261, BZN273, BTN268 and cars from the original refub set FSH25 in the non standard VLP3.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/notinservice/9783991794/

    It will be missed.... VLP2

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/notinservice/7899978212/
    Posted: 17 Sep 2013 21:43

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      VN18 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Central Highlands
    For anyone out and about, the 1615 Bacchus will be A66 - PH454 - SH27 - SH21. First time 66 has been out in a while and the train is nice and clean too.
    Posted: 27 Sep 2013 16:06
      Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

    Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
    Thanks for the tip, went out and caught a snap of it on it's way out of Melton
    [img]http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q491/Gman_86_XR6/P1010015_zpsa53aad2f.jpg[/img]
    Posted: 27 Sep 2013 19:43
      SN7 Chief Commissioner

    2 more Z cars should return to traffic soon, BTN 253. & BZN 271
    Posted: 21 Nov 2013 15:09
      VN18 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Central Highlands
    Maybe that will see FN8 make a come back. Think I seen the two cars of N8 (ACN BRN) heading for Newport Tuesday.
    Posted: 21 Nov 2013 16:35
      VN18 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Central Highlands
    Maybe that will see FN8 make a come back. Think I seen the two cars of N8 (ACN BRN) heading for Newport Tuesday.
    VN18
    Ok scrap that.
    FN8 - At Newport F exam
    N18 - Back in service last week in VLP3 (last set to be done)
    BTN253 - running with N18 as D car as of late last week (first BTN back on the track)
    BZN256 - running with N3
    BZN272 - running with N12
    id guess FN14 cant be far off a repaint also N465.
    Posted: 28 Nov 2013 21:12
      ethansx49 Chief Train Controller

    Location: Warrnambool
    Thanks for all the latest info Guys
    Posted: 09 Dec 2013 17:44
      SN7 Chief Commissioner

    Earlier today set N 4 was shopped at Newport for exam, the 2 N cars of FN8 (ACN 24 & BRN 34 )  ex exam ran on a Geelong Test Run, with BTN 259 & BTN 264.

    With the 4 above cars returning to service,  carriage BCZ 259 being last used in 2011, it's conversion , overhaul and then bogie fretting by V/line, saw it out of service for 2 and a half years, even longer than it took to build in 1959!!!!, however rebuilt internally as BTN 259 it has finally been out shopped.

    Locomotive A 70 will replace A 66 as the standby - spare as A 66 will be the Guinea Pig for the new train radio and travel the state performing trials, P 13 has also been fitted with new radios.
    Posted: 20 Dec 2013 21:34

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      Galron Chief Commissioner

    Location: Werribee, Vic
    Locomotive A 70 will replace A 66 as the standby - spare as A 66 will be the Guinea Pig for the new train radio and travel the state performing trials, P 13 has also been fitted with new radios.
    SN7
    are there any references to this new train radio out and about? GSM based i suppose?

    if p13 has been fitted with the new radios would it be a fair guess it will be traversing the SG parts of the state for the same reason? vline P class in Hopeton would be a good photo op.
    Posted: 21 Dec 2013 09:48
      Duncs Chief Commissioner

    So what is the current overall situation for the V Line N Sets as of today?
    Posted: 21 Dec 2013 15:31
      VN18 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Central Highlands
    FN3 - Running with BZN256
    N4 - Exam due soon (within days)
    N6(ACN/BRN) - Running with N13
    FN9 - Still running as FN with BN17 ex N6
    FN10 - Has had BZN252 removed due to a fault
    FN11 - Running with BZN271 & power van
    FN12 - Running with BZN272
    SN15 - Exam
    FN18 - Running with BTN253 (first BTN to return)
    FN19 - A/C fault, BZN267 also removed due to damage. BTN264 to take its place

    A70 - Preps, prior to reactivation
    P12 - Out with faults
    Y161 - Out with faults
    Y163 - Back at Spencer Street

    I also spotted a repainted ex AZ car early this week, have sins been told that it is indeed BTN259 (ex ACZ/BCZ259) the first such conversion sins BZN262.
    Posted: 24 Dec 2013 21:53

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      Z181 Chief Train Controller

    Location: Mernda
    FN3 - Running with BZN256
    N4 - Exam due soon (within days)
    N6(ACN/BRN) - Running with N13
    FN9 - Still running as FN with BN17 ex N6
    FN10 - Has had BZN252 removed due to a fault
    FN11 - Running with BZN271 & power van
    FN12 - Running with BZN272
    SN15 - Exam
    FN18 - Running with BTN253 (first BTN to return)
    FN19 - A/C fault, BZN267 also removed due to damage. BTN264 to take its place
    VN18
    N8 is partnered with N14 now to form VN8

    FN10 is a nightmare set for the last month. Has caused several services to go late by 15min+ because the AirCon in BZN 252 is stuffed, and a constant door fault in the carriage. It is also the only BZN currently in service that can't run off the AGS and can only run off Head End Power which is bad news on very hot days.  

    N13 is now by itself and ran the 1832 dwn Shepp this evening.
    Posted: 25 Dec 2013 21:46
      Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

    Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
    A pair of sprinters just into Bendigo on a down pass. I'm told that they'll be using these on the Bendigo-Echuca shuttles while the RRL shutdown is on and the Vlocities displaced from this will be used on the Seymour line. There was another pair that arrived earlier too. So, if you want photos of a Sprinter or two at Echuca, now's your chance!
    Posted: 27 Dec 2013 23:20
      SN7 Chief Commissioner

    3VL47 has/is being fitted with saloon internal video monitoring cameras similar to EMU stock.
    Posted: 08 Jan 2014 22:42
      VN18 Junior Train Controller

    Location: Central Highlands
    Where are the Zs...
    FN3 - Running with BZN256 as D car
    FN4 - Running with BZN267 as D car  (ex FN19)
    FN5 - Running with BZN266 as D car
    FN10 - BZN252 removed
    FN11 - Running with BZN271 as D car
    FN12 - Running with BZN272 as D car
    FN17 - Running with BTN259 as D car
    FN18 - Running with BTN253 as D car
    FN19 - Running with BTN264 as D car
    BZN252 sitting at west melbourne.

    (all sets with BTNs still have no wheelchair access)
    Posted: 10 Feb 2014 21:26
      Duncs Chief Commissioner

    Where are the Zs...
    FN3 - Running with BZN256 as D car
    FN4 - Running with BZN267 as D car (ex FN19)
    FN5 - Running with BZN266 as D car
    FN10 - BZN252 removed
    FN11 - Running with BZN271 as D car
    FN12 - Running with BZN272 as D car
    FN17 - Running with BTN259 as D car
    FN18 - Running with BTN253 as D car
    FN19 - Running with BTN264 as D car
    BZN252 sitting at west melbourne.

    (all sets with BTNs still have no wheelchair access)
    VN18

    Reality Check

    How much longer can we keep this old recycled rolling stock on the track?

    I suggest it is time to look at either -


    1. New loco hauled passenger rolling stock - so new locos (max 120 tons each, so 20 ton axle load) and carriages ( 5 car sets) capable of at least 120 kph; or

    2. A series of long haul railcars / DMU’S  based on the Explorer or Prospector design. Top speed 160 kph, but used mainly at 130 kph. But with extra safety strengthening for driver protection, so they are not slowed down by a few hardly used and unprotected level crossings.



    Finally use the low profile concrete sleepers to replace the timber relics still out there. So it’s a straight swap for the timber ones.

    Duncs
    Posted: 11 Feb 2014 20:07
      Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

    I doubt V/Line will ever buy new loco hauled carriages. A new class of 160kph DMU with upgraded long haul facilities is the only option that makes sense.

    I imagine that V/Line could get some decent cash by selling off its A class, P class and a handful of Ns to freight operators. They would have quite a surplus of locos if the H sets disappeared and Zs were retired leading to an N set consolidation.

    Realistically how long do the H sets and the Z cars have? They really are quite old now.
    Posted: 15 Feb 2014 11:21

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